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Mystery Over Russian General Found Dead on Turkish Beach
Guardian News (UK) ^ | Wednesday 1 September 2010 | Luke Harding

Posted on 09/05/2010 8:47:38 PM PDT by anymouse

A mysterious accident in which one of Russia's most powerful spies was found dead on a Turkish beach has provoked speculation that the deputy head of the country's foreign military intelligence service had been murdered.

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The general was last seen visiting the building site for a new Russian military base in the Syrian coastal city of Tartus, which is being expanded as a base for Russia's Black Sea fleet.

After his visit, he left for a meeting with Syrian intelligence agents. He then went missing, the Turkish newspaper Vatan reported today.

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The Kremlin assigned Ivanov to lead its war against Chechen separatists in 2000, and he allegedly masterminded a series of assassination attacks, which the Russian secret service carried out on Chechens living abroad. In 2004, two GRU agents killed the Chechen separatist leader Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev, blowing up his SUV in Qatar.

The Qatar authorities swiftly arrested and sentenced to life imprisonment two Russian GRU spies who were said in court to have been acting under direct orders from the Russian leadership. The pair were extradited back to Russia in 2005 to serve out their sentences on home soil. Both then promptly disappeared.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: blackseafleet; gru; ivanov; qatar; spy; syria; tartus; turkey; yandarbiyev; zelimkhanyandarbiyev
Russians and muzzies going at each other again.
1 posted on 09/05/2010 8:47:42 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse; stylecouncilor

¨From Russia With Love¨


2 posted on 09/05/2010 8:51:15 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: anymouse

Over here, when they do you in, you never see the guy again, like Jimmy Hoffa.

Over there, they just let you be found and shrug.

‘eh, interresting.’


3 posted on 09/05/2010 9:12:16 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: onedoug

Viktor Bout, the Russian Mafia weapons gun runner being extradited to the US by Thailand worked for the GRU and the same time as “The General”. Interesting timing, may be???


4 posted on 09/05/2010 9:13:04 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: anymouse

This is very, extremely serious. Deputy head of Russia’s foreign military intelligence, the GRU. An organization as ruthless, perhaps more ruthless, than the KGB(*).

Unless his murder was ordered by the Russian government, which is a strong possibility, a whole bunch of people are going to die.

(*) Typically, back in Soviet times, someone declared a traitor in the GRU would be strapped to a gurney, and pushed headfirst into a blast furnace. They even made a video of that being done, to show new recruits.


5 posted on 09/05/2010 9:17:18 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: anymouse

Jameski Bondski

6 posted on 09/05/2010 9:17:30 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: anymouse

Coincidence we have a dead Russian spy general and the movie “The American” with George Clooney opening on the same weekend?

I think not...


7 posted on 09/05/2010 9:18:59 PM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova

Did you see it? Was it any good?


8 posted on 09/05/2010 9:21:22 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ( VIVA la SB 1070!)
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To: FrdmLvr

Maybe he went surfing with former Aussie Prime Minister Harold Holt.


9 posted on 09/05/2010 9:26:24 PM PDT by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: anymouse

Either Chechens masquerading as Syrian operatives,
or agents of a certain ME country (noted for efficient
spycraft) masquerading as Syrian operatives....


10 posted on 09/05/2010 9:29:40 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: anymouse

This sounds like a Israeli operation and the Turks get the blame...LOL...


11 posted on 09/05/2010 9:29:44 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: anymouse
The Americanized headline would be:

'Top Russian Spy Unexpectedly Found Dead'

12 posted on 09/05/2010 9:29:53 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: shield

‘Went swimming’ in Syria.

Washed up in Turkey.


13 posted on 09/05/2010 9:32:16 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Still sounds like an Israeli operation to me....now Syria gets the blame...


14 posted on 09/05/2010 9:40:09 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Beowulf9
Over here, when they do you in, you never see the guy again, like Jimmy Hoffa.

Or they do it in front of a crowd in Dallas.

15 posted on 09/05/2010 9:54:56 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

“Or they do it in front of a crowd in Dallas.”

Oh, wow. Yes. Russian way.


16 posted on 09/05/2010 10:12:09 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: anymouse
In 2004, two GRU agents killed the Chechen separatist leader Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev, blowing up his SUV in Qatar. The Qatar authorities swiftly arrested and sentenced to life imprisonment two Russian GRU spies who were said in court to have been acting under direct orders from the Russian leadership.

But at least they didn't forge any passports. /s

Note BTW, the Russians got caught, whereas the 52 or 101 or whatever Mossad agents all made it safely out of Dubai (even if some took the unorthodox route via Iran(!)).

17 posted on 09/05/2010 10:13:51 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: anymouse
being in turkey must suck.

being dead on a beach in turkey must suck more.

a dead communist spook doesn't suck much.

18 posted on 09/05/2010 10:15:11 PM PDT by mmercier (seeya)
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To: anymouse

SPECTRE


19 posted on 09/05/2010 10:15:31 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: shield
Bingo !!! You get the cigar.

There is no blame - one dead Commie enemy of Israel and a few more to come. By the way Serbia and Bulgaria have declared “in agreement with Israel” in past few weeks. Will Greece come in on the side of ALL former enemies of the "restarted" Ottoman Empire ??

Is an alliance around the Black Sea being created - Serbs/Croats/Bosnians/Georgians/Armenians/Kurds as prelude/start of the “Real Thang” ??

Recall that 3-4 years ago a report of Israel training the Kurds in use of auto-fired 155mm self-propelled guns in the northern Iraq region(adjacent to Iran). Then the info went "quiet".
20 posted on 09/05/2010 10:20:24 PM PDT by SonsOfCollins_Wallace ("... if yah ken behr eit" OR "where yah goin William ?.... ")
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To: montag813
I seen your post on turkey on another thread and Noticed this.... you might be interested.

Russia is going to come out swinging.

21 posted on 09/05/2010 10:52:11 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: SonsOfCollins_Wallace; shield

No way this was an Israeli op....

And Putin should come to Syria to verify it....

,(: >)

(and he can bring his fish girlfriend... or he can sleep with them)

ALLAAHHHH, CRAPSKI!

PS - re anti-ottoman (and I presume anti-ruski) alliance:

wonder how the chinese are getting the funding to them?


22 posted on 09/05/2010 10:53:56 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: anymouse

Feel the love?


23 posted on 09/05/2010 11:07:29 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Typically, back in Soviet times, someone declared a traitor in the GRU would be strapped to a gurney, and pushed headfirst into a blast furnace. They even made a video of that being done, to show new recruits.

Once in the Aquarium, there was only one way out: through the chimney of the crematorium. Great book.

24 posted on 09/05/2010 11:22:45 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Perhaps the Chechnya folks finally got smart and started targeting the actual big guys instead of the Russian public. I’d be more likely to believe in that scenario. The curious thing is that a guy like this would typically have a couple of guards with him at all times. So, are the guards dead too? We haven’t seen a word about the guard detail....which I think is very odd.

The last possibility...late at night...drunk....the General walks out by himself from his cottage on the beach and drowns.


25 posted on 09/06/2010 1:58:22 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

My guess is that on his state-sponsored vacation, he ran into an exotic Turkish dish that was a little more exotic than his heart could stand.


26 posted on 09/06/2010 2:06:02 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Doogle

“Eet was Moose and Squirrel!”


27 posted on 09/06/2010 2:06:24 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Pan_Yan

“Went swimming in Syria wound up in Turkey”
Exactly what I questioned when I read this as well as ; “While examining plans for a Russian “Black Sea” naval base in Syria”. Something we wouldn’t know about thanks to our MSM.

How much noise was made about this base by the Israelies or was there ? Who benefits from this mysterious demise beside the usual Al Quaeda suspects ?


28 posted on 09/06/2010 2:33:58 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: mosesdapoet

Maybe he didn’t wait 30 minutes before going swimming like his mother always told him. Don’t mess with mothers...


29 posted on 09/06/2010 3:43:53 AM PDT by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

30 posted on 09/06/2010 6:05:17 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: FrdmLvr

Haven’t seen it yet (The American), but will. Probably even spend the extra dollars and see it at a movie theater rather than wait for RedBox.


31 posted on 09/06/2010 7:00:21 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Doogle

Good job Doog!!!!!
Lately I’ve been blaming everything on “Moose and Squirrel!”


32 posted on 09/06/2010 8:32:03 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: MrDem

The Russians to the chagrin of the Turks by-passed the Dardanells constriction by having a naval base in the Mediterrean. The present Turk regime zealots are slowly turning from their secular ways and “Islamizing”. Turk Islamization may be part of their reasoning to have a base there.It’s been a Czarist-Stalinist dream

What is interesting is there has not been a lot of kicking and screaming on the part of the Israelis who may see the Russians as a mollifying force in Syria.

I doubt Moussad had anything to do with this and it could be the Turk extremist element who did. If indeed he was murdered.


33 posted on 09/06/2010 9:32:53 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

*smiles*...knew who you meant


34 posted on 09/06/2010 4:26:19 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Better headfirst that feetfirst.


35 posted on 09/06/2010 4:30:12 PM PDT by Chickensoup (There is a group of people who suck off the productive. They make rules then find infractions.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Unless his murder was ordered by the Russian government, which is a strong possibility, a whole bunch of people are going to die.

Ping me if you hear more... Thanks.

36 posted on 09/06/2010 4:39:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (BE the change you wish to see.... Gandhi)
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