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In the Crystal Ball: More Regulation for Psychics
Time ^ | Sept 2, 2010 | Elizabeth Diaz

Posted on 09/06/2010 3:54:07 AM PDT by tlb

fortune tellers in Warren, Mich., must be fingerprinted and pay an annual fee of $150 — plus $10 for a police background check — to practice their craft.

But officials in Warren, a town of 138,000 near Detroit, say it's time to weed out tricksters. "We had no mechanism of enforcement to protect people against unsavory characters,"

Regulating an industry that deems itself clairvoyant, has no standard education requirements and yet rakes in cash for revealing spiritual truths may itself be an act of faith. It also might make good economic sense: about 1 in 7 Americans consulted a psychic or fortune teller in 2009.

Last year, Will County, Illinois, decided to count fortune telling as an official business (along with tattooing and dog watching).

"We are not looking to do anything to oppress people's beliefs," argues Nichols, "We are looking to specifically identify crime and people who prey on the vulnerable."

Psychic Gina Marie Marks pleaded guilty Wednesday, Sept. 1, in Florida to grand theft and organized fraud. One of her victims testified that Marks swindled her out of $312,926.29 — and persuaded her to get a tattoo, to boot. It's now "a constant reminder of the psychological abuse I endured at the hands of this false prophet," she told a Broward County judge.

Michael Steinburg, of the Michigan branch of the ACLU, suggests Warren's policy may jeopardize those practicing yoga or predicting the weather. "It makes it illegal to say incantations to give good luck without having a license," he tells TIME. The ACLU has defended the free-speech rights of Maryland fortune teller Nick Nefedro, who won his case in June to operate a shop in the Washington, D.C., suburbs.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: fortunetellers; licensing; michigan; palmists; prophets
And if there are still too many fortune tellers, the next step is the old reliable Excess Prophets Tax.
1 posted on 09/06/2010 3:54:09 AM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb

I bet they didn’t see that coming...


2 posted on 09/06/2010 3:55:55 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: tlb
Obama voters need Physics.
3 posted on 09/06/2010 3:59:41 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Smokin' Joe

Damn, you beat me to it.


4 posted on 09/06/2010 4:02:57 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way")
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To: Recon Dad

GMTA, FRiend!


5 posted on 09/06/2010 4:06:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: tlb
Yessir, I want me a good ol' government approved psychic. Why trust any crystal gazer that just fell off the gypsy wagon train? Thank you Big Gubmint. You got my back.p> /sarc
6 posted on 09/06/2010 4:07:32 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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To: tlb
I called the psychic hot line to find out why my phone bill was so high.:)
7 posted on 09/06/2010 4:21:03 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: tlb

I figure they should put the Amazing Randi in charge of this, and noone would be permitted to advertise as a psychic without passing the annual test.

Of course that would put all the stimulus promoters, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, and Krugman et al. out of business too!


8 posted on 09/06/2010 4:24:38 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: tlb
"...it's time to weed out tricksters"

What,as opposed to the real psychics?

9 posted on 09/06/2010 4:32:58 AM PDT by mitch5501 (top of the world ma!)
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To: tlb

Perhaps you should have to be cleared by a shrink to be able to waste your money on a fortune teller in the first place! ;-)


10 posted on 09/06/2010 4:37:24 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: tlb

Excess Prophets Tax... lol!

No sympathy, however, for the crystal ball gazers who failed to see this coming. Even less, if they voted for Obama.


11 posted on 09/06/2010 4:45:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: donmeaker

A Gypsy Czar?


12 posted on 09/06/2010 4:46:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: mitch5501
What,as opposed to the real psychics?

That caught my attention as well.

13 posted on 09/06/2010 4:56:44 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

And you think 98.9% of those who voted didn’t vote for Obama?

The GOP may have the Mormons, but the Dems have the psychics.


14 posted on 09/06/2010 4:57:21 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: tlb

When I was growing up, the Bunko Squad used to arrest “psychics” for fraud.

Looks like it’s still a good idea.


15 posted on 09/06/2010 5:00:32 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

> I bet they didn’t see that coming...

Ba-da-BING!
:)


16 posted on 09/06/2010 5:01:06 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: 9YearLurker

What is the usual clientele of these folks? Is it rich people with cash to spare looking for a thrill? Is it desperately poor people looking for a leg up on their fate? Some mix of these and/or other?


17 posted on 09/06/2010 5:01:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

.....Is it desperately poor people looking for a leg up.....

I’d say it is a real chore and takes superior expertise to con $312k from a poor person


18 posted on 09/06/2010 5:10:25 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I suspect it is a wide mix, though the psychics to the stars probably aren’t usually the same ones ministering to the down-and-outs. (But none of them have found a customer in me, so I really don’t know.)


19 posted on 09/06/2010 5:14:03 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Or better yet, an Unsavory Character Czar...now THERE’s a position. Sorta like being Director of the Department of Redundancy Department.


20 posted on 09/06/2010 6:00:44 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: tlb

With a little Foresight.....


21 posted on 09/06/2010 6:54:08 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"What is the usual clientele of these folks?"

They will typically target people in the midst of life-altering events, i.e. divorces, death of a loved one, loss of employment etc.

One scam involves them telling people that their jewelry, money, etc. is the source of their misery and needs to be turned over to them for "safekeeping". In some elaborate scams, precious gemstones are swapped out with glass or imitation stones before being returned. In other cases the psychic talks the person into signing them as the beneficiary of an insurance policy, etc.

Certainly it's something no "sane" person would do, but when they target people deep in grief with little or no faith, they make surprisingly easy marks.

22 posted on 09/06/2010 7:03:35 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: 9YearLurker

I wouldn´t go to any seer who wasn´t already rich from their earlier predictions.


23 posted on 09/06/2010 7:33:00 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: tlb
These fortune tellers, tricksters, psychics and seers are on the business TV shout shows every day and night.....and all day on Saturday radio programs, to boot.

They wear Brooks Brothers suits and colorless nail polish instead of purple capes, plumed turbans and beards.

They make their living providing prophetizing entertainment to the awed, trusting, avaricious masses, but their income comes mainly from their own various media and speechifying gigs rather than from the fruits of their own financial predictions.

If it were otherwise, they'd all be retired and living it up on the Isla del Sol and Martha's Vineyard.

Leni

24 posted on 09/06/2010 8:08:58 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: tlb

I thought that was the windfall prophets tax.


25 posted on 09/06/2010 12:36:48 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: tlb

I always wondered, shouldn’t psychics be calling you, instead of the other way around?


26 posted on 09/06/2010 12:37:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: onedoug

The only seers worth paying to see don’t need your money and don’t want to waste their time.


27 posted on 09/06/2010 12:40:23 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: RipSawyer

There are no seers, paid or not.


28 posted on 09/06/2010 1:01:51 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: tlb; Perdogg; grellis; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; ...

LOL!!


29 posted on 09/06/2010 3:07:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: onedoug

“There are no seers, paid or not.”
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Well, if there were any, then what I said would almost certainly apply to them.


30 posted on 09/06/2010 3:11:43 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"We had no mechanism of enforcement to protect people against unsavory characters,"

Livin' in the wild, wild west...

31 posted on 09/06/2010 3:16:40 PM PDT by bigheadfred (We built a tower of stone. With our flesh and bone. Just to see him fly .)
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To: SunkenCiv

Used to have “ ‘bigheadfred’s’ psychic hotline—We already got your message” on my answering machine. All I know is there are some DUMB people out there.


32 posted on 09/06/2010 3:20:38 PM PDT by bigheadfred (We built a tower of stone. With our flesh and bone. Just to see him fly .)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...

If you would like to be added or dropped from the Michigan ping list, please freepmail me.

33 posted on 09/06/2010 5:05:40 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: bigheadfred

So, that *was* your phone number. I want my money back, those lottery numbers were NO GOOD. ;’)


34 posted on 09/06/2010 5:11:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: tlb

It makes it illegal to say incantations to give good luck without having a license,”

Never stopped Obama.

“Economic Stimulus!”
“Recovery Summer”
“Drink a Slurpee.”


35 posted on 09/06/2010 5:14:56 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SunkenCiv

You can have your money back. Kinda glad I get to scratch a name off my D list. Besides, the money I get from the psychic line gets funneled into the loan-sharking thing and the returns on that are like winning the lottery.


36 posted on 09/06/2010 5:25:51 PM PDT by bigheadfred (We built a tower of stone. With our flesh and bone. Just to see him fly .)
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To: onedoug
There are no seers, paid or not.

'K, Mart, Roebuck will be disappointed to hear it.

37 posted on 09/06/2010 6:13:08 PM PDT by magslinger ('This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!')
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To: bigheadfred

:’)


38 posted on 09/06/2010 8:11:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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