Posted on 09/06/2010 9:57:15 AM PDT by LonelyCon
Just two years ago, supporting homosexual marriage was such an extreme, politically radioactive position that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton – both Alinskyite progressives and long-time gay-rights supporters – saw fit to publicly and repeatedly declare their opposition to same-sex marriage.
Today, as the homosexual newspaper the Washington Blade puts it, "conservatives have taken the leadership role in achieving marriage equality."
That's right. Not only have high-profile conservatives like Glenn Beck, "The View's" Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Laura Bush, Dick Cheney and many others publicly offered their ringing endorsement of men marrying men and women marrying women, but some on the right are, as the Blade reports, actually leading the charge.
Case in point: George W. Bush's solicitor general Ted Olson has been dedicating his time as one of the two lead attorneys who successfully challenged California's Proposition 8, which had enshrined in the state's constitution the fact that, as Hillary Clinton put it, "marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman."
Indeed, proclaims the Blade, when it comes to the battle to legalize same-sex marriage, it is conservatives who "have achieved the most important success so far as they are the most willing and most able to take the case to the Supreme Court."
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And S.E. Cupp, a young conservative Daily Caller columnist and frequent Fox pundit, goes so far as to say, "Conservatism and gay rights are actually natural allies. Conservatism rightly seeks to keep the government out of our private lives, and when you strip away the politics of pop culture, it's this assertion of privacy and freedom that the gay rights movement is essentially making."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
You said civil rights are not about behavior. I gave you examples of civil rights that are about behaviors. That was my only point.
Being gay is not a civil right.
Homosexual marriage is not a civil right.
Post 80 gives a simple example on why this is a ridiculous stance.
Homosexuals have pre-empted the black civil rights movement. It is a valid debate to point it out. Actually, a few years ago their agenda was posted online. It has since been removed. It listed to use the Black civil rights language. And the rights that you posted aren’t thought of as civil rights because of the 60’s. They are simply American rights.
I listen to his radio show often enough to have a pretty good idea of his politics.
As far as the link, WND, as they often do, took a small piece of information and made up the rest. They were the ones who interpreted that Beck quote to mean that he supported gay marriage. They've made him into a target for their own purposes.
Glenn Beck with Megyn Kelly in 2009 on gay marriage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hih9Vo75oSE&feature=player_embedded
I agree with the first two sentences of your post. But there are many who would argue the opposite, and claiming that civil rights are never about behavior, I think, is a weak argument. We’re on the same side, I’m just trying to point out what I believe is an argument that is not particularly useful when defending our beliefs. So, once again, my simple point is that sometimes civil rights are indeed behavior-based, as is clear when one reads the Bill of Rights.
I see.... Another Mod closed my account for some of those very words. And I had to ask JimRob to get it back. And he said I should avoid most ALL those words.
So, it seems the enemies are not only in the gates, some of them are making us our chow and issuing our bullets.
I stand by my observation: When debate is limited, only evil wins. Because only those who abide the rules will obey them in the first place.
I stand by my prediction that America will Normalize Sodomy by statute and enforce it by brute action.
I stand by my prediction that it will be in this next decade and that there is NOTHING, short of outright civil war, which will prevent it.
I stand by my prediction that none have the will for war and thus we have lost and this is only a discussion over what to do and how to live in a soviet style nation which is coming.
I pray every minute of every day that I am mistaken. That somehow, maybe, if I am just sober and blunt enough, the right people will wake up and we can gain reprieve.
But I am by no means counting on it.
Count on it.
More than "count on it"... PLAN FOR IT. Plan to survive in THAT exact culture. Because you will have to. Soon. Very very soon.
Look up!
My Dear Ben:
You would not be a proponent of Dominion Theory would you?
Those are the folks who think we can win and fail to see everything around them going to hell.
I see it as the end we know to be coming. Jesus has no need to preach to the saved but the lost and no reason to come back if we are handling things just fine.
Thus, I fully expect it to get worse, and dark FAST.
2 seconds to midnight!!
I didn't take it that way. I thought he had no opinion on it. That it wasn't an issue for him.
Therefore, Further and Because OF SODOMY... the rest follows.
That is the context and order.
Sure all the other sins are there, listed out, lots of “petty sins” too, for those who view sin as such, but the language is clear: He is discussing sodomy and where IT leads. Otherwise all the sins would have been listed and THEN it would say what happens.
But what happens last ARE the other sins. Basically God is refuting the “good homo” argument. Saying if you go down the path of Sodomy, ALL these other sins will manifest.
This is also, exactly what we are seeing in our culture. ALL these other things once so shocking, are now on the news night and day and we are numb to the signs!!
This is a cause and effect not a list of sins where Sodomy is just in the middle somewhere.
This is ALL ABOUT it.
Absolutely correct. In fact, this is the greatest danger posed by the so-called "Gay rights" movement, which is a thinly-disguised agenda to overturn traditional (= "conservative") morality and hound into submission by coercive and repressive means if necessary all those who would dare to oppose them. These activists consider the Christian church to be their greatest opponent and enemy, and will not rest until ALL opposition is silenced, and churches, pastors - and yes, individual Christians - are forced to renounce what homosexual apologists consider "hurtful, harmful, and oppressive" teachings. (Full disclosure: I worked for many years in public policy in Washington DC and was deeply involved in pro-family issues)
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
It has NOTHING to do with homosexual behavior.
Beck is one of a growing number of conservative opinion makers who are either agnostic on the issue or have decided to earn tolerance-points with the establishment by backing here-come-the-grooms...
From his own words on the video Beck makes it clear that he doesn't support gay marriage. Based on his O'Reilly comment, WND decided he was either indifferent or supported gay marriage, neither of which seems to be the case. WND is agenda driven and often stretches the truth to advance it.
That’s so gay.
Missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. Doing too many things at once. Or trying to.
Great, now I have the song “You’re so Vain” stuck in my head.
Only, it says “gay” instead.
Darn you humble!
It’s all your fault!
You’re so gay..
You probably think this post is about you..
We are going to have to use that on some pro-homotroll at some point.
It must be done.
Oh I’ve got you pegged now Humble. You’re a meanie! ;-)
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