Skip to comments.Open letter to conservatives who back same-sex marriage
Posted on 09/06/2010 9:57:15 AM PDT by LonelyCon
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No lady. "WE" have not lost.
YOU have LOST.
So just get LOST.
I've got news for you, homosexual marriage IS NOT about making life "easier" for ANYONE. It is about DESTROYING America's Judeo-Christian culture.
This is the exact example.... please take note students.
This is a poster who is not paying attention to the debate and just chimed in with a lovely little gem of a quip to suggest I “get lost”.
This, of course, is ONE of the reasons we have lost.
I mean, if this is what is passing for substantive debate on just how dumbed down we have become, I could not think of a more fitting example of direct ignorance.
How can it be, that I can post so clearly the refute, in advance, and still some foolhardy soul will walk right into it?
I would go so far as to say “unbelievable” but, then I predicted the occurrence and frankly I am somewhat taken back by the fact that it took this long for someone to fall into it.
In case you failed to notice.
In case you failed to see.
This is my heart bleeding before you, this is me down on my knees!
And this foolish post is breaking my heart...
(with apologies to Jewel)
In summary, tradition and science agree that biological ties and dual gender parenting are protective for children. The family environment in which children are reared plays a critical role in forming a secure gender identity, positive emotional well-being, and optimal academic achievement. Decades of social science research documents that children develop optimally when reared by their two biological parents in a low conflict marriage. The limited research advocating childrearing by homosexual parents has severe methodological limitations. There is significant risk of harm inherent in exposing a child to the homosexual lifestyle. Given the current body of evidence, the American College of Pediatricians believes it is inappropriate, potentially hazardous to children, and dangerously irresponsible to change the age-old prohibition on homosexual parenting, whether by adoption, foster care, or reproductive manipulation. This position is rooted in the best available science.
Tradition, Sanctity; the Holy Union of Marriage; the definition of "One Man and One Woman" cannot and should not be changed.
This is not about civil rights. Behavior is not a civil rights issue. Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR.
nature intended for two of the opposite sex to be bale to reproduce.
Two of the same sex cannot therefore it is unnatural.
This is all about two of the same sex getting off in their perverted way ., nothing more nothing less.
Because of how they get off they now think it should be taught into schools, into our daily lives, into our laws.
Marriage is not what they really want , it is a step in their agenda and one only has to look at MA and how it has closed adoption agencies, stopped people from passing bar exams, taught into schools and parents have no rights to be told of this. etc.
It is man with a woman, or everything .
So if someone says well homosexuals should marry then they should also not have a problem with a consenting daughter wanting to marry her father, or a man having 9 wives etc.
If they do have a problem with that then they’re hypocrites plus they’re helping the homosexuals to pass their agenda.
Remember the commie manifesto and how it said homosexuality should be encouraged to help bring down the west.
Any idiot which says’ well I know a couple of homosexuals they are nice needs to wake the hell up.
What a very interesting “take” you have on the subject. I wish what you said was the truth. I do. But I have direct and first hand knowledge that it is the opposite. Oh, you are right, in that honest and direct debate on this matter has been ended. But you wouldn’t likely believe that the end has come at the cost of Homosexual victory. When evil and good are BOTH restrained. Only evil prevails. For evil will NOT BE restrained.
Let me put that in lessor terms, since many will be blinded as not see what I am saying.
If you outlaw guns....?? Everyone can finish this one yes? We all agree on how this logic works? Only outlaws will have guns? Right?
Follow me know... same trick... different pony.
If you outlaw free debate on THIS topic, then only the outlaws will win the debate. Because they will STILL push their agenda and we will not be able to push bad HARDER or HARD ENOUGH to stop it.
We are now fighting this war on this forum under “rules of engagement” and will NOT prevail because of it. Oh, we will be politer. We will be “kinder and gentler”. But we will LOSE.
So my FRiend, (Whence911)... you are right... but for all the wrong reasons, and to the very uttermost wrong conclusion.
to most it is not about religion, most I know think homosexuality is sick, perverted and disgusting .
It is a shame that homosexuals and their supporters actually thin that if you oppose their agenda then you have to be a church going Bible reading person.
Homosexual “marriage” is the issue here. Not racism or feminism.
Their domestic violence rates are high, especially among lesbians. There was an article posted about it a few days ago.
they call themselves gay but they are not gay they’re homosexuals and I won’t play the word game
I’ve never seen a post here that suggest that homosexuals should be executed. Feel free to cite one, however.
A few years ago, some posters took over the argument and ran everyone who disgreed with them off the threads and the site. Then the owner came out and agreed with them with his declaration against "homosexualism." Many good conservative people have been banned or left because if they disagreed with any one point, they were called pro-agenda, anti-FR, and worse. We lost a lot of discussion when that happened. But that's the way it is September 6, 2010..............
Since Apr 27, 2010
From a web search got Arizona immigration bill stories here. Liked what I saw and signed up. More as I learn the ropes. I chose my name to say that we are forgettintg the lessons of 9/11 and are in danger of being too slack with the fanatics because the president wants to hold hands.
Your home page does not agree with your post.
A guest on the "O'Reilly Factor" in early August, Beck was asked, "Do you believe that gay marriage is a threat to the country in any way?" Answer: "No I don't. Will gays come and get us?"
OMG! LOL!!! I’ve never even heard all of those terms. LOL!!! Thank you for the education.;-)
“we HAVE lost”
Rachel, with all due respect, we have not yet even begun to fight. Satan has lost, and he lost 2000 years ago. The game is over, the ball is gone, the clock has run out. He can say white is black and black is white, but he cannot change the outcome, and neither can any of his minions.
Our call, our duty is simply to state the truth. Marriage is between a man and a woman, and not the perversion of men with men or women with women. Our job isn’t to be successful in this proclamation, but merely to be faithful.
I don’t believe that young people are so blind as to the problems that result from homosexuality. Anyone who’s ever dealt with it face to face will understand what I am talking about here.
I refuse to believe that the best option available is perversion. Everyone has the hope of something better and we must continue to explain why it is bad for people to walk this path. Only then can we lead some away from the brink.
LOL LOL LOL (snort) LOL Yep, he is a lawyer. Lawyers are trained to look on and see all sides of an issue. However, I still think he has gone to the dark side.
Which ones have to do with abnormal sexual behavior?
Homosexual activists have reframed the debate and removed it from a moral issue to a "civil rights" issue. Homosexuals have the same rights that we do. They want special rights based simply on a behavior. That is the point. Their only identification is that of a sexual behavior. That is not a civil right.
Well, money for one. They may simply despise socialism.
” Romans1:18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorwho is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”
Let’s keep the passage in Romans in context shall we! The passage describes the descent of the soul of one who denies even the clearly evident existence of God and how God gives one over to depravity. Homosexuality is one such end and other diverse lusts and depravities are so listed. A lot of folks have similarly rejected God and are not necessarily homosexual. Some are murderers, some gossip to the point of absolute viciousness. Some steal, some disobey and dishonor their parents. Anothers words, they are given up to total absolute wickedness and they are not restrained in inventing new ways to be wicked. Hence they are reprobate and given over to their lusts and sins and eventually the just penalties for their errors! Note also Paul mentioning of worship of false idols and images as being part of the total rejection of God.
It is not complicated. Conservatives are not perverts and no, they do not support homosexual, pedophilic, or beastophilic behavior. None of these issues are supported by conservatives.
So, you are supporting homosexual marriage AND adoption.
Free Republic is a CONSERVATIVE forum, did you miss that?
The preposterous notion that sexual deviants should be allowed to take possession of other people’s children is simply the most disgusting idea yet. Talk about foisting a lifetime of sexual abuse and harrassment on children, this is the absolutely the lowest of the low.
Hah hah hah hah! Well put!
Try comparing sexually deviant behavior to a group of black people and see how far you get. They are not stupid enough to believe such an outrageously disgusting comparison. You obviously don’t know anything about Black people because they are thorougly revolted by such a suggested comparison. Where are you on pedophilia and nambla?
You said civil rights are not about behavior. I gave you examples of civil rights that are about behaviors. That was my only point.
Being gay is not a civil right.
Homosexual marriage is not a civil right.
Post 80 gives a simple example on why this is a ridiculous stance.
Homosexuals have pre-empted the black civil rights movement. It is a valid debate to point it out. Actually, a few years ago their agenda was posted online. It has since been removed. It listed to use the Black civil rights language. And the rights that you posted aren’t thought of as civil rights because of the 60’s. They are simply American rights.
I listen to his radio show often enough to have a pretty good idea of his politics.
As far as the link, WND, as they often do, took a small piece of information and made up the rest. They were the ones who interpreted that Beck quote to mean that he supported gay marriage. They've made him into a target for their own purposes.
Glenn Beck with Megyn Kelly in 2009 on gay marriage:
I agree with the first two sentences of your post. But there are many who would argue the opposite, and claiming that civil rights are never about behavior, I think, is a weak argument. We’re on the same side, I’m just trying to point out what I believe is an argument that is not particularly useful when defending our beliefs. So, once again, my simple point is that sometimes civil rights are indeed behavior-based, as is clear when one reads the Bill of Rights.
I see.... Another Mod closed my account for some of those very words. And I had to ask JimRob to get it back. And he said I should avoid most ALL those words.
So, it seems the enemies are not only in the gates, some of them are making us our chow and issuing our bullets.
I stand by my observation: When debate is limited, only evil wins. Because only those who abide the rules will obey them in the first place.
I stand by my prediction that America will Normalize Sodomy by statute and enforce it by brute action.
I stand by my prediction that it will be in this next decade and that there is NOTHING, short of outright civil war, which will prevent it.
I stand by my prediction that none have the will for war and thus we have lost and this is only a discussion over what to do and how to live in a soviet style nation which is coming.
I pray every minute of every day that I am mistaken. That somehow, maybe, if I am just sober and blunt enough, the right people will wake up and we can gain reprieve.
But I am by no means counting on it.
Count on it.
More than "count on it"... PLAN FOR IT. Plan to survive in THAT exact culture. Because you will have to. Soon. Very very soon.
My Dear Ben:
You would not be a proponent of Dominion Theory would you?
Those are the folks who think we can win and fail to see everything around them going to hell.
I see it as the end we know to be coming. Jesus has no need to preach to the saved but the lost and no reason to come back if we are handling things just fine.
Thus, I fully expect it to get worse, and dark FAST.
2 seconds to midnight!!
I didn't take it that way. I thought he had no opinion on it. That it wasn't an issue for him.
Therefore, Further and Because OF SODOMY... the rest follows.
That is the context and order.
Sure all the other sins are there, listed out, lots of “petty sins” too, for those who view sin as such, but the language is clear: He is discussing sodomy and where IT leads. Otherwise all the sins would have been listed and THEN it would say what happens.
But what happens last ARE the other sins. Basically God is refuting the “good homo” argument. Saying if you go down the path of Sodomy, ALL these other sins will manifest.
This is also, exactly what we are seeing in our culture. ALL these other things once so shocking, are now on the news night and day and we are numb to the signs!!
This is a cause and effect not a list of sins where Sodomy is just in the middle somewhere.
This is ALL ABOUT it.
Absolutely correct. In fact, this is the greatest danger posed by the so-called "Gay rights" movement, which is a thinly-disguised agenda to overturn traditional (= "conservative") morality and hound into submission by coercive and repressive means if necessary all those who would dare to oppose them. These activists consider the Christian church to be their greatest opponent and enemy, and will not rest until ALL opposition is silenced, and churches, pastors - and yes, individual Christians - are forced to renounce what homosexual apologists consider "hurtful, harmful, and oppressive" teachings. (Full disclosure: I worked for many years in public policy in Washington DC and was deeply involved in pro-family issues)
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
It has NOTHING to do with homosexual behavior.
Beck is one of a growing number of conservative opinion makers who are either agnostic on the issue or have decided to earn tolerance-points with the establishment by backing here-come-the-grooms...
From his own words on the video Beck makes it clear that he doesn't support gay marriage. Based on his O'Reilly comment, WND decided he was either indifferent or supported gay marriage, neither of which seems to be the case. WND is agenda driven and often stretches the truth to advance it.
That’s so gay.
Missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. Doing too many things at once. Or trying to.
Great, now I have the song “You’re so Vain” stuck in my head.
Only, it says “gay” instead.
Darn you humble!
It’s all your fault!
You’re so gay..
You probably think this post is about you..
We are going to have to use that on some pro-homotroll at some point.
It must be done.
Oh I’ve got you pegged now Humble. You’re a meanie! ;-)