Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Theory suggests comet didn't trigger ice age
http://m.torontosun.com/15253616.1 ^ | Recent, no date | QMI Agency

Posted on 09/06/2010 5:18:48 PM PDT by Paul Pierett

The theory that a giant comet crashed into earth around 13,000 years ago, causing the planet to freeze over and animals to die off is now being called into question as another theory is being put forth to explain the cause of the ice age.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; globalwarming; iceage
Always too quick to publish. Then we get stuck with it for a long time. Now a new idea. How long will it last? They need to slow down and put it together with the rest of the evidence. Same goes for all this global warming stuff.
1 posted on 09/06/2010 5:18:54 PM PDT by Paul Pierett
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

A theory to replace a theory....anyone else seeing the irony here? =.=


2 posted on 09/06/2010 5:19:57 PM PDT by cranked
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cranked

“However, researchers from Washington University in St. Louis, MO and the Royal Hollway University of London now say that the crystals have been misidentified and that they are actually common clumps of another form of carbon.”

Let me guess, from man discovering how to build a fire?


3 posted on 09/06/2010 5:22:19 PM PDT by huldah1776
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

It was caused by a Chimpanzee named Albert Gore, who persuaded his fellow chimpanzees to put out their barbecue fires so as to cut back on their carbon emissions.


4 posted on 09/06/2010 5:23:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

Wasn’t there an Ice Age irridium anomaly as well?

My own theory is that Clovis Man used too much fire, raising CO2 levels...


5 posted on 09/06/2010 5:23:22 PM PDT by DBrow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett
Hmm...and here I thoght that they had settled on the Milankovitch cycles.

http://www.homepage.montana.edu/~geol445/hyperglac/time1/milankov.htm

6 posted on 09/06/2010 5:23:49 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: huldah1776

They are going to try to tie this into something AGW (global warming) related...watch. :P


7 posted on 09/06/2010 5:24:05 PM PDT by cranked
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

Bush’s Fault!


8 posted on 09/06/2010 5:24:18 PM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

I didn't think this stuff was around back then.

9 posted on 09/06/2010 5:25:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

Bush’s ancestors?


10 posted on 09/06/2010 5:29:17 PM PDT by Raycpa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cranked

Theories are supposed to be replaced by other theories, even in climatology. That’s the whole point of scientific inquiry - real science is never “settled”.


11 posted on 09/06/2010 5:29:34 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett
The theory that makes most sense is that Earth goes through really long cycles having to do with its movement around the Sun and the Sun's cycle of activity as well. This cause periods of warmer and colder temperatures cycles thousands of years long.

If you read up on the REAL science you will find that the above theory has lots of data to back it up! Unfortunately it doesn't give any ammo for the "Church of Climate Change" to enforce its Communist/Green agenda so it's not allowed to be given air time on the MSM.

12 posted on 09/06/2010 5:31:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

The Ice Age was a result of Piltdown man. Just as Globle Warming is a result of to many speaches by Al Gore.


13 posted on 09/06/2010 5:32:30 PM PDT by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

Why would it have to be a comet, instead of a meteor?


14 posted on 09/06/2010 5:37:39 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill informed post.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

“12,900-year-old sentiment layers”

Love it. Is that some sort of quaint local Canadian dialect?


15 posted on 09/06/2010 5:38:54 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett
High probability that Magnetic Reversals cause ice ages. Read "Magnetic Reversals and Evolutionary Leaps" - The True Origin of the Species....Robert W. Felix.

His earlier book, "Not By Fire But By Ice" is a great read but out of print. You might get a copy by calling 425-821-7372 [Sugarhouse Publishing].

Felix has synthesized all the available science and drawn some conclusions no one else seems to have the insight to come up with. He first published in 1997 - simply a brilliant thinker! Website is at www.iceagenow.com

16 posted on 09/06/2010 5:39:10 PM PDT by HardStarboard (If the Gulf had happened on Bush's watch - he'd have been drawn and quartered.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett
High probability that Magnetic Reversals cause ice ages. Read "Magnetic Reversals and Evolutionary Leaps" - The True Origin of the Species....Robert W. Felix.

His earlier book, "Not By Fire But By Ice" is a great read but out of print. You might get a copy by calling 425-821-7372 [Sugarhouse Publishing].

Felix has synthesized all the available science and drawn some conclusions no one else seems to have the insight to come up with. He first published in 1997 - simply a brilliant thinker! Website is at www.iceagenow.com

17 posted on 09/06/2010 5:39:17 PM PDT by HardStarboard (If the Gulf had happened on Bush's watch - he'd have been drawn and quartered.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pollster1

“Scientific inquiry” has become a near joke in some respects, IMHO, about as much as ‘peer reviewed’, and that sir, is coming from one who works in the academic field.


18 posted on 09/06/2010 5:39:48 PM PDT by cranked
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: HardStarboard

sorry for the double


19 posted on 09/06/2010 5:40:07 PM PDT by HardStarboard (If the Gulf had happened on Bush's watch - he'd have been drawn and quartered.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: cranked
“Scientific inquiry” has become a near joke in some respects, IMHO, about as much as ‘peer reviewed’, and that sir, is coming from one who works in the academic field.

True but sad, as I also know from experience.

20 posted on 09/06/2010 5:42:49 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: siunevada

“sentiment layers” ~ well, they felt right professor.


21 posted on 09/06/2010 5:43:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

When was that ever an accepted theory that a comet caused an ice age 13k years ago? The ice ages are cyclic, and you could have set you watch by the one 13k years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg


22 posted on 09/06/2010 5:52:09 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
I didn't think this stuff was around back then.

But Bill Haley might have been....

23 posted on 09/06/2010 6:08:37 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: cranked

Nothing new under the sun.


24 posted on 09/06/2010 6:16:20 PM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: cranked
Theoretically...yes.
25 posted on 09/06/2010 6:17:51 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: cranked; Paul Pierett

>>> A theory to replace a theory....anyone else seeing the irony here?

Nobody who ever took a science class. Reading threads such as this it’s depressing how many seem never to have done so.


26 posted on 09/06/2010 6:24:46 PM PDT by tlb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: thulldud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT0xcGd9HRI/

As close as I could get...


27 posted on 09/06/2010 6:32:35 PM PDT by waterhill (" My Religion is AMERICAN")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

I think it was caused by a rapid and catastrophic rise of enviromental dihydrogenmonoxide over a period of 960 hours in such amounts that almost all life had no ability to store or metabolize it, thus were asphyxiated by it.


28 posted on 09/06/2010 6:33:16 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Born to Conserve
There's been a big push lately to try and stick climate changes / extinctions in the past 10,000 years to comet and meteor strikes.

Just like the Dinosaur were killed by a meteor hypothesis was pushed by the anti nuke people it's all liberal politics.

Trying to link comet/meteor strikes to climate changes / extinctions has two goals.

1)One argument against global warming is climate has changed many times and more rapidly in the past. But if they can prove that it took a meteor/comet to cause these changes, then they believe that would prove that the warming seen in the 20th century was unprecedented and couldn't have been natural.

2)To save the PC myth of the noble savage. The fact is whenever ancient man 1st showed up, they hunted the local megafauna to extinction. This hurts the Liberals sensibilities, who believe that ancient man lived in harmony with nature all until the evil white man and his capitalism came along and if we could only adopt their green policies we can go back to those times.

29 posted on 09/06/2010 6:53:40 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: qam1

I think God was just trying to chill his wine, and kick back to a game of Sabertooth vs T-Rex and “oops, my bad” went a bit overboard on the cooling.


30 posted on 09/06/2010 7:06:23 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett
"scientists now argue instead, that water from melting glaciers disturbed ocean currents and caused worldwide temperatures to drop, resulting in a mass extinction that almost wiped out the human race.'

So, Global Warming caused the last ice age! We're doomed!!

31 posted on 09/06/2010 7:14:50 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

13,000 years ago was the end of the last glacial period, not the beginning.


32 posted on 09/06/2010 7:28:02 PM PDT by DB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1
Just like the Dinosaur were killed by a meteor hypothesis was pushed by the anti nuke people it's all liberal politics.

The evidence for it is pretty overwhelming; there was some skepticism and alternate theories, but just in the past few years many of those questions have been answered.

It's not "politics" it's scientific evidence produced by an amazing amount of hard work. And it wasn't started by "anti-nuke" people, it was started by people finding a layer of iridium in rocks right at the time the dinosaurs went extinct, all over the world (iridium is incredibly rare on earth, but common in asteroids).

Have you ever read an actual scientific paper in a scientific journal?

33 posted on 09/06/2010 8:08:31 PM PDT by Strategerist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Born to Conserve

It’a typical hideous science article in a mass media publication; what they’re ACTUALLY talking about is the Younger Dryas, a relatively short period of cooling that occured just AFTER the last real (long) Ice Age.

One reason a lot of people on FR think scientists are a bunch of idiots is the ONLY things about science they read are horrifically botched, short articles on science in written by scientifically illiterate journalists in newspapers, etc., such as this article.


34 posted on 09/06/2010 8:13:28 PM PDT by Strategerist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Strategerist
One reason a lot of people on FR think scientists are a bunch of idiots is the ONLY things about science they read are horrifically botched, short articles on science in written by scientifically illiterate journalists in newspapers, etc., such as this article.

Another reason is reading the Hadley CRU emails and seeing all the moronic crap that has been revealed about the IPCC's political machinations cast as science again and again and again. Of course, folks like Rachel Carson and Carl Sagan and James Hansen and Paul Ehrlich and John Holdren and Richard Dawkins haven't helped matters much.
35 posted on 09/06/2010 8:23:24 PM PDT by aruanan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett
The theory that a giant comet crashed into earth around 13,000 years ago, causing the planet to freeze over and animals to die off is now being called into question as another theory is being put forth to explain the cause of the ice age.

Gee, the last major glaciation was over a period of about 100,000 years pretty much preceding any such cometary event 13,000 years ago. If anything, one could argue that it could have prolonged the ice age or led to the current interglacial period.
36 posted on 09/06/2010 8:27:24 PM PDT by aruanan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: siunevada
“12,900-year-old sentiment layers”

Love it. Is that some sort of quaint local Canadian dialect?

I think they're trying to say that old opinions die hard.

37 posted on 09/06/2010 8:37:48 PM PDT by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Paul Pierett

To me this is just another attempt to say that global warming causes global cooling, an attempt to explain why temps are now dropping world wide(despite what the MSM is trumpeting)and a way to keep the grant money, and carbon credit money, flowing.


38 posted on 09/06/2010 8:49:14 PM PDT by calex59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Strategerist
The evidence for it is pretty overwhelming; there was some skepticism and alternate theories, but just in the past few years many of those questions have been answered.

The Global Warming people say the same thing.

But none of the questions have been answered, for example where are the bodies? The Asteroid people have the same problem the flood people have, A disaster of that magnitude should leave a layer littered with fossils. But there are none.

It's not "politics" it's scientific evidence produced by an amazing amount of hard work. And it wasn't started by "anti-nuke" people, it was started by people finding a layer of iridium in rocks right at the time the dinosaurs went extinct, all over the world (iridium is incredibly rare on earth, but common in asteroids).

bzzt

It wasn’t at the right time, at the time of the iridium layer all dinos were already long gone. Well with the exception of some duckbills and the K-T event didn’t even kill them as they made it into the Tertiary before going extinct, but every other Dino from Triceratops. Ankylosaurus, sauropods, T-rexs were long extinct.

Have you ever read an actual scientific paper in a scientific journal?

And again just like the Global warming people, your argument is so weak you have to resort to personal attacks.

But yes I have, my personal favorite is PLATINUM GROUP ELEMENTS ANALYSIS OF IMPACTITES FROM THE ICDP CHICXULUB DRILL CORE YAX-1: ARE THERE TRACES OF THE IMPACTOR?

The study found that there’s not only is there no extra iridium in the Chicxulub crater but the element properties of the crater exactly match terrestrial samples,

True scientists would have at least asked How could the Chicxulub impart cause an iridium layer around the world if it contained no iridium? And if Chicxulub matches terrestrial element patterns could it be that maybe it’s not an impact but terrestrial in nature?'

True scientist would, but not liberal scientist with an agenda. Instead in an unscientific manner they blatantly dismiss it out of hand and try to come up with even crazier theories on how magically the iridium disappeared leaving behind what looks amazingly coincidentally terrestrial.

Yes really, Quote right from the study, "If we exclude the extremely implausible assumption that the K/T boundary is not related to the Chicxulub impact event"

Sorry that’s not science, you can’t just "exclude" any assumption because you don’t like where the evidence leads.

Personal Attacks, declaring consensus and the debate is over, Dismissing evidence, where have we seen this before?

Yes I know, A big asteroid falling from the sky and wiping out the dinosaurs is really, really, really cool

But sorry, despite it’s coolness, the evidence shows it just didn’t happen.

39 posted on 09/06/2010 9:44:31 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Eagles6

The ice age in question does not follow Milankovitch cycles, which is why people are thinking impact? Freshwater flood? Caveman SUV?

Otherwise on a long time scale Milankovitch works pretty well unless you are a warmist.


40 posted on 09/07/2010 4:56:02 PM PDT by DBrow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: DBrow

Which ice age in question?


41 posted on 09/07/2010 8:25:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: DBrow
Duh! Oh, that ice age in question, the one the article is about.

Picture me as Homer Simpson.

I'll have to do the math but I think we were due for one about then anyhow but let me check.

42 posted on 09/07/2010 8:29:53 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: gleeaikin
This is not what the article is talking about, I have no idea what theory is supposed to be refuted by these uniformitarian impact deniers. :')

The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


43 posted on 10/26/2010 7:13:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BBell; ...

Note: this topic is from 9/06/2010. Thanks Paul Pierett.
 
Catastrophism
 
· join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post new topic · subscribe ·
 

44 posted on 10/26/2010 7:14:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Mad Dawgg
The theory that makes most sense is that Earth goes through really long cycles having to do with its movement around the Sun and the Sun's cycle of activity as well. This cause periods of warmer and colder temperatures cycles thousands of years long.

What's harder to explain is why the abrupt and short lived period of intense cooling after the deglaciation was well underway. What happened to the Clovis Peoples and the Mega Fauna?

45 posted on 10/26/2010 7:43:59 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (11/2/10-Democrat Party is shovel ready)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: DBrow; SunkenCiv; All

“Clovis man used too much fire.”

Well, I guess that explains Firestone’s “black mat”. ;-)


46 posted on 10/26/2010 11:23:47 PM PDT by gleeaikin (question authority)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: gleeaikin

I’m not familiar with the black mat?


47 posted on 10/27/2010 5:32:36 AM PDT by DBrow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: gleeaikin

They had to blame it on humans some way.


48 posted on 10/27/2010 7:30:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: DBrow; SunkenCiv; All

Read Firestone’s book. It is an excellent layman’s presentation of the scientific method at work. The black mat is a layer found in many parts of North America deposited at the time of the extinction, and probably the result of wide spread fires.


49 posted on 11/01/2010 11:53:59 PM PDT by gleeaikin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson