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New York man fires gun, arrested in dispute on his lawn
AP ^ | 6 September, 2010 | Jennifer Peltz AP

Posted on 09/07/2010 4:46:13 AM PDT by marktwain

NEW YORK — A homeowner who grabbed a rifle from his house and fired warning shots in a confrontation with a group of men on his lawn faced arraignment on criminal charges Monday as his family said he was defending his home from a threatening mass of strangers.

George Grier, 30, fired rounds into the ground and air from an assault-style rifle after arguing with a large group of men gathered outside his Long Island home Sunday evening, Nassau County police said. No one was hurt.

His sister, Caprice Rines, said Grier feared for the safety of his wife and two small children when about 20 men converged on his Uniondale lawn after two of them began quarreling. He didn't know the men, who ignored his requests to leave and kept approaching the house, she said.

"They were swarming on the property," so he got a hunting rifle he had bought at a sporting-goods store, she said. "He felt like: 'I have to protect my family.'"

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; home; ms13; ny
It is legal the threaten deadly force (but not to use it) to prevent criminal trespass in Arizonal. I doubt that the law is the same in New York.
1 posted on 09/07/2010 4:46:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

One thing I can tell you: David Patterson is no Jan Brewer.


2 posted on 09/07/2010 4:47:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: marktwain

Why does any sane person live in the North East???


3 posted on 09/07/2010 4:48:27 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: marktwain

Get off my lawn.


4 posted on 09/07/2010 4:49:07 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kittymyrib

>> Why does any sane person live in the North East???

It’s the land of opportunity! Why, even a blind squirrel might become a governor there.


5 posted on 09/07/2010 4:50:35 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: marktwain
Thank heavens The One has stopped the import of those M1’s from South Korea. Can you imagine the carnage if this gun-crazy homeowner had had access to to one of them instead of his “assault type” weapon? Whew, that was a close call. </sarc>

On a more serious note, it's never ever a good idea to shoot into the air, especially in a populated area. In fact, it's never a good idea to fire your weapon at all unless you intend to kill the target.

6 posted on 09/07/2010 4:53:23 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: marktwain

if he waited for them to enter the house he would be perfectly legal to blow them away as long as they presented a threat....which is easy to do....especially if he had family in the house......


7 posted on 09/07/2010 4:53:41 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

wait, what? “assult-style” rifle? or hunting rifle? I mean, I’m picturing two different type of rifles.


8 posted on 09/07/2010 4:55:08 AM PDT by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: marktwain

anything that’s not muzzle loaded is an “assault-style rifle”.</*sarc off>


9 posted on 09/07/2010 4:56:30 AM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: VAFreedom
He needed a large barrel of gasoline handy to spill across the lawn. Then a match.

A gang of 20 is probably going to overwhelm a guy with any kind of non-automatic weapon, but fire is different.

10 posted on 09/07/2010 4:57:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: VAFreedom
“assult-style”

You know...with a trigger and bullets...

11 posted on 09/07/2010 4:59:01 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: Vaquero
if he waited for them to enter the house he would be perfectly legal to blow them away as long as they presented a threat....which is easy to do....especially if he had family in the house......

Unless he REALLY had an "assault style" weapon, waiting that long would have been suicide. Twenty against one guy with a hunting rifle. Not good odds.

12 posted on 09/07/2010 5:03:18 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (King: "I have a dream"...Sharpton: "I want a check")
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To: stylin19a
anything that’s not muzzle loaded is an “assault-style rifle”

original US Assault rifle

Lock and Load.....Μολὼν λαβέ

13 posted on 09/07/2010 5:04:35 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: muawiyah

A pair of claymores sweeping across the lawn, why waste the gas?


14 posted on 09/07/2010 5:04:40 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: marktwain

Funny thing is here in Fl because of the way the laws are written if you truly feel threatened you can kill. But it is a greater crime here to just show someone a gun.

Here if you pull out a gun on a person or people, you had better shoot someone or you will go to jail.


15 posted on 09/07/2010 5:13:33 AM PDT by fuzzybutt (Democrat Lawyers are the root of all evil.)
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To: kittymyrib

Jewish Delis.


16 posted on 09/07/2010 5:20:24 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: marktwain

once bambam gets word that it was a brutha that attempted to run a gang off his lawn, he’ll decree that ms-13 acted stupidly by not brawling on ‘da mans’ lawn...


17 posted on 09/07/2010 5:25:47 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: marktwain

His defense in court:

Is the state insiting that I have an obligation to allow my family to be victims of a mob?

Is the state asserting that lethal shots are preferred to warning shots?

Is the state claiming that a 911 phone call would have solved the threat in time?

Your Honor, the Constitution asserts my right to defend myself and my family, and I did so without harming ANYBODY.
The arresting authorities took no action against the thugs that threatened my family and instead sought to restrain me from carrying out my Constitutionaly protected, God given responsiblity.


18 posted on 09/07/2010 5:28:13 AM PDT by G Larry (Democrats: expediting the Destruction of America, before they lose power...)
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To: G Larry

The court’s response? “Shut up, honkey. White people have no rights any longer.”


19 posted on 09/07/2010 5:30:02 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Inexpensive, timely, accurate. Pick two for your healthcare, Obama.)
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To: CholeraJoe

Appeal to higher court until you prevail!


20 posted on 09/07/2010 5:31:47 AM PDT by G Larry (Democrats: expediting the Destruction of America, before they lose power...)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

That’d work ~ but gasoline is far cheaper


21 posted on 09/07/2010 5:49:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CholeraJoe
The court’s response? “Shut up, honkey. White people have no rights any longer.”

The home owner was black, the mob was latino, or as Archie Bunker would say, ...

22 posted on 09/07/2010 5:53:06 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: marktwain

Shooting into the air is not a good idea.


23 posted on 09/07/2010 6:13:41 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: Vaquero

>>if he waited for them to enter the house he would be perfectly legal to blow them away as long as they presented a threat....which is easy to do....especially if he had family in the house......

It may come as a surprise to you, but a rifle is a RANGED weapon. You’ll find it’s more effectively used if you keep your opponents at a distance.


24 posted on 09/07/2010 6:20:51 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: marktwain
...an assault-style rifle...

IOW, one that's scary looking to liberals...

25 posted on 09/07/2010 6:39:08 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty too! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: vikingd00d

a gun is a gun is a gun.

I have long range weapon....close range weapons

and all can be used at close range if necessary.

in NY very few people have handguns as one needs a permit to own one even for home protection....most people do not bother and keep their deer rifles handy for an all purpose weapon...now a shotgun is a good close range weapon but more and more counties in NY are becoming rifle counties for deer so unless they do a bunch of small game hunting which requires a place to go and in the burbs their is no place to go hunting....when most burb hunters take a trip to hunt....it is generally for deer....hence a deer rifle is most common on Long Island.


26 posted on 09/07/2010 6:41:11 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: JimRed

“...an assault-style rifle...

IOW, one that’s scary looking to liberals... “

In point of fact, looking down any center fire rifle should scare anyone.

The riotous can survive many pistol shots, but a rifle shot is usually fatal.

‘Nuff said.


27 posted on 09/07/2010 6:44:05 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: G Larry
Well stated.

He should walk to the closet set of microphones and state EXACTLY that:

“Is the state insisting that I have an obligation to allow my family to be victims of a mob?

Is the state asserting that lethal shots are preferred to warning shots?

Is the state claiming that a 911 phone call would have solved the threat in time?

Your Honor, the Constitution asserts my right to defend myself and my family, and I did so without harming ANYBODY.
The arresting authorities took no action against the thugs that threatened my family and instead sought to restrain me from carrying out my Constitutionally protected, God given responsibility.”

If only to get the message out to the potential jury pool.

28 posted on 09/07/2010 6:57:16 AM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: muawiyah
"gasoline is far cheaper"

The fines from the EPA for discharging gasoline into the ground and street would bankrupt you.

29 posted on 09/07/2010 7:07:39 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: marktwain

30 posted on 09/07/2010 7:09:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Deaf Smith
My lawnmower leaked ~ sorry.

(NO FINE).

And Fur Shur, after you burn up a gang of 20 no EPA investigator will dare come sniffing around.

31 posted on 09/07/2010 7:11:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: smokingfrog
Shooting into the air is not a good idea.

In this case, it sounded like a really bad idea! What goes up, must come down. "Be sure of your target, and what is beyond it."

32 posted on 09/07/2010 9:08:14 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I believe in man-made political climate change.)
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To: jwparkerjr

>On a more serious note, it’s never ever a good idea to shoot into the air, especially in a populated area.

The posted portion of the story says that he fired into the ground.


33 posted on 09/07/2010 4:15:33 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: muawiyah
A gang of 20 is probably going to overwhelm a guy with any kind of non-automatic weapon, but fire is different.

FNH's PS-90 has a 50 rd magazine and is semi-auto; the P-90 is full-auto but you probably aren't going to see one of those unless you're on the SWAT team.

34 posted on 09/07/2010 4:20:15 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: vikingd00d

>>if he waited for them to enter the house he would be perfectly legal to blow them away as long as they presented a threat....which is easy to do....especially if he had family in the house......
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>It may come as a surprise to you, but a rifle is a RANGED weapon. You’ll find it’s more effectively used if you keep your opponents at a distance.

While true in an open environment it is somewhat different indoors’ While training to go to Iraq my company did train-up on CQB (close quarters battle; IOW, inside buildings) and the instructors were constantly referring to doorways as “funnels of death” because someone on the other side has reduced the area he has to aim at to that of the doorway.

So, while a rifle may be a “ranged weapon” it is still perfectly capable of being used in close-quarters. A handgun can be used in such a manner too, and there is the added bonus that the doorway would restrict the flow of attackers in to two, or at max three, people at a time giving you some protection from being instantly overwhelmed.


35 posted on 09/07/2010 4:31:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
There's also the rotation problem you encounter with every automatic weapon. You have to keep 'em pulled down, or "up" ~ else you're just firing over their heads, or into the dirt.

Learning to properly handle your automatic weapon takes a heafty expense in ammunition.

A barrel of gasoline is much better.

36 posted on 09/07/2010 5:12:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

>There’s also the rotation problem you encounter with every automatic weapon. You have to keep ‘em pulled down, or “up” ~ else you’re just firing over their heads, or into the dirt.
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>Learning to properly handle your automatic weapon takes a heafty expense in ammunition.
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>A barrel of gasoline is much better.

I know about the automatic’s “pull” tendency; which is why I was suggesting the PS-90, the semi-auto/’civilian’ model, it has a good reflexive sight and a 50-round magazine. That *should* be enough to deal with a gang of 20, even assuming that it takes 2 hots to put them out-of-action (which is really overestimating their toughness and/or underestimating the rifleman’s accuracy).


37 posted on 09/07/2010 5:26:57 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
With 20 targets of opportunity like that you could easily get overexcited and miss a few ~ so some might take three rounds to put away.

Good idea to develop a good count for your fire control ~ just like with an M60 or any other larger automatic weapon. Bursts of 2, bursts of 3, bursts of 4, bursts of 5.

I did the machine guns for "The Green Beret". Could not hear for two weeks!

38 posted on 09/07/2010 5:56:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: OneWingedShark
re: fired rounds into the ground and air

That was the phrase from the article to which I was referring.
39 posted on 09/07/2010 7:14:07 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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