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Gen. Petraeus: Dove World Outreach Center's 'Burn a Koran Day' endangers US troops
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 09/07/2010 | Jonathan Adams

Posted on 09/07/2010 6:19:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 09/07/2010 6:19:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder when Petreaus is going to figure out that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim.


2 posted on 09/07/2010 6:22:03 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: thethirddegree

How does he think our soldiers who are Christian felt about having bibles confiscated and burned by our own military?


3 posted on 09/07/2010 6:23:06 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind

Burning korans seems to be a good way to reach out for dialog. Not unlike building Victory Mosques.


4 posted on 09/07/2010 6:23:39 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: thethirddegree

> wonder when Petreaus is going to figure out that there
> is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim.

Simple logic should lead a clear thinker to conclude that, if burning the Pedophile Pirate’s hateful screed endangers people, then there really are no moderate adherents or proselytes thereof.

No?


5 posted on 09/07/2010 6:24:06 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: thethirddegree

And when will he admit we are at war with islam. Islam is the problem. Muslims don’t need an excuse to riot and kill people. Muslims murder other muslims, including women and children, every day. Appeasement is not the answer.


6 posted on 09/07/2010 6:24:13 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (Proud Infidel)
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To: massgopguy
How does he think our soldiers who are Christian felt about having bibles confiscated and burned by our own military?

Exactly. In my opinion, if our troops aren't allowed to fight to win, we should leave and destroy all the drug crops from the air.

7 posted on 09/07/2010 6:25:18 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: ilovesarah2012
And when will he admit we are at war with islam. Islam is the problem. Muslims don’t need an excuse to riot and kill people. Muslims murder other muslims, including women and children, every day. Appeasement is not the answer.

That's right. Islam is a disease that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.

8 posted on 09/07/2010 6:27:25 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: massgopguy

can you point me to your force for the US military ever burning a Bible?

colonel, USAFR


9 posted on 09/07/2010 6:28:07 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a stupid idea. Not that anyone should be surprised when someone who wears jean shorts came up with it.


10 posted on 09/07/2010 6:28:31 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Burning copies of the Koran is a provocative act. Likewise, our mere existence is a provocative act to Islamists. The issue I would take with this event is that it is not a productive provocative act.

Productive acts would include charging the developers of the GZ Mosque with being undocumented agents of a hostile foreign power and advocating the overthrow of the Constitution, and throwing their butts in Gitmo. That would be useful. Merely yelling at the enemy is not useful.


11 posted on 09/07/2010 6:31:33 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: jagusafr
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan

(CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.

The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.

12 posted on 09/07/2010 6:32:41 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I was flipping around on the news stations this morning and stopped on Good Morning America. They were doing a segment on this. It made me laugh because they were doing a thing on Islam is peaceful, but they were saying in the same breath that it would endanger American troops if this church burned Korans. Let me see. If Islam is peaceful, why would it endanger anyone if this church burns Korans? And the funny thing was, neither of the hosts saw anything crazy in saying both of these things in the same breath.


13 posted on 09/07/2010 6:33:03 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m considering burning a chapter in the privacy of my own home on a regular basis. With the internet, it’s no trouble at all to print out chapters as needed.


14 posted on 09/07/2010 6:33:55 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: SeekAndFind
Dove World Outreach Center's plans to burn Korans on Saturday to mark the anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks.

Who's the moron who thought this would be a good idea? You think they hate us now.

15 posted on 09/07/2010 6:34:00 AM PDT by McGruff (How's that Hopey Changey thingy workin for ya?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Both the Commander-In-Chief and a General in charge of a war have called for Americans to stifle their First Amendment rights.

What do they think will happen if we actually do give up all our rights because of violent muslims?

Will we be safer?
Will they stop trying to kill infidels?
Will they cease jihad?
Will they begin to tolerate non-muslims in any way?

No.

Benjamin Franklin had it right. This is a perfect example.

Don’t ever give up your rights for some false promise of security. Ever. You’ll end up losing both your security and your freedom.

Burn ‘em.


16 posted on 09/07/2010 6:34:08 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Pecos

Funny how the left is all about protecting religious freedom when it comes to building the mosque, but totally against the freedom to burn korans. I want muslims to know their satanic cult isn’t wanted here. America needs to get their collective heads out of the sand and see what islam has done to other countries and what it will inevitably do in America. Islam is in no way compatible with American laws and ideals, in spite of what muzzie Barry says.


17 posted on 09/07/2010 6:34:48 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (Proud Infidel)
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To: massgopguy
How does he think our soldiers who are Christian felt about having bibles confiscated and burned by our own military?

They would be saddened, perhaps angered or outraged. But here's one thing for certain --- THEY ARE NOT GOING TO KILL ANYONE BECAUSE OF IT.
18 posted on 09/07/2010 6:35:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Petraeus needs to familiarize himself with the concept of total war.


19 posted on 09/07/2010 6:36:03 AM PDT by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: SeekAndFind

Living infidels is what really makes them go crazy. So all us infidels should stop breathing just so we don’t make them angry? Yeah, right.


20 posted on 09/07/2010 6:38:42 AM PDT by CPOSharky (They ain't "illegals." They are just unregistered democrats.)
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To: SeekAndFind
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO KILL ANYONE BECAUSE OF IT.

Funny how this distinction fails to occur to so many people.

21 posted on 09/07/2010 6:39:04 AM PDT by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: McGruff

It won’t make them hate us any more. Hell, a couple of years ago they were literally driven to suicidal violence over CARTOONS. It’ll always be something. Trying to appease muslim sensibilities through overblown sensitivity is a fool’s errand. I don’t particularly like the Koran burning thing but the right response is to shrug indifferently, cite our principle of free speech, and move on, rather than get all culturally self-critical and show weakness to the Muslims.


22 posted on 09/07/2010 6:40:07 AM PDT by skintight buffoonery
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To: thethirddegree

Yes, there is such a thing. They are considered heretics.


23 posted on 09/07/2010 6:40:13 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, general, we know you have to follow the orders of your commander. And we KNOW what the Marxist Muslim in the Oval Office thinks.

But I think a national Burn a Koran Day would be a good idea.

These scum feel THEIR religion, THEIR prophet, etc are untouchable but they have no problem insulting or killing other people who are not Muslims.

Screw them all - burn the Korans.


24 posted on 09/07/2010 6:40:44 AM PDT by ZULU (God, guts and guns made America great,)
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To: SeekAndFind

The muslims in Afghanistan are on TV right this minute burning the US flag and effigies of Petraeus (I think it is.)

How will NOT burning the koran change anything?


25 posted on 09/07/2010 6:41:32 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: jagusafr

Here is a list of sources from GOOGLE.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Military+burning+bibles&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Here is the primary article on CNN

Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-20/world/us.military.bibles.burned_1_bibles-al-jazeera-english-military-personnel?_s=PM:WORLD


26 posted on 09/07/2010 6:42:08 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill informed post.)
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To: massgopguy

Proof that this happened?


27 posted on 09/07/2010 6:43:20 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: SeekAndFind
Trying to win the hearts and minds of muslims is endangering our troops. We need to kill more bad guys until they decide it isn't worth fighting us. Although, they will eventually act up again, and then we need to kill more.

They will never like us.

28 posted on 09/07/2010 6:44:16 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Why does the Left think Muslims are going to behave as Christians?)
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To: thethirddegree

Unfortunately, that won’t happen until the Day of Revelation.

Due to Abraham’s impatience, Islam is always going to be a problem.


29 posted on 09/07/2010 6:44:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What endangers our troops is having them in Afghanistan at all when Peetreus himself has said that the goal there is to make an accomodation with the taliban and allow them back in power. This is crazy. I say bring the troops home now!


30 posted on 09/07/2010 6:45:40 AM PDT by pgkdan (When the same man...holds the sword and the purse, there is an end of liberty: George Mason)
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To: paulycy
How will NOT burning the koran change anything?

Had that idiotic church not started this "Burn the Koran" thing, we would not have this outrage occuring in Afghanistan.

That event was un-necessary and provocative. Christians should SHUN the Dove Center and OPENLY voice their disapporval to what they are doing.
31 posted on 09/07/2010 6:45:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What does the General have to say about IRAN paying Taliban to kill Amerocans? Are Afgan citizens that are taking part in the “Death to America” protest being paid by IRAN?


32 posted on 09/07/2010 6:46:05 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: SeekAndFind

If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him.

- Sun Tzu, “The Art of War”


33 posted on 09/07/2010 6:49:17 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is an idea for the General and the administration, turn over the running of the fight to the people that know how to win, ie the military, get rid of all Congressional oversight, kick the UN out of the US. Collateral damage is to be expected, if Muslim citizens will not divulge where the insurgents are hiding amongst them, too bad for them.


34 posted on 09/07/2010 6:49:23 AM PDT by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: thethirddegree
First of all, the definition of a "moderate Muslim" is a Muslim who is out of ammunition ... that being said ...

I cannot believe Petraeus (although he is an Øbama appointee), is doing this. This is a WAR ... the Taliban are trying to KILL our people. Do these morons believe that they are going to try to KILL US MORE DEAD because a bunch of nuts in Florida burn a book? This isn't about books or PC or feeling good or "maybe" ... it's about life and death. That is, unless maybe they are not fighting a war ... maybe they consider this an "occupation" now?

If it is a war, you don't worry about burning books, you worry about burning down the damned poppy fields that are supporting this whole mess. We sprayed the VC with Agent Orange)... defoliated the place. I'm sure by now we have an "environmentally friendly" agent Orange (Green Orange?)... but is there any talk of burning and defoliating the poppy fields? No. Why not? Well, these poor farmers would be upset with us. And while the people "running" this war worry about books being burned in Florida, they are putting our soldiers into body bags and send them home with a flag! But that is not discussed and there is no outrage.

Time to carpet bomb the place, clean out the gene pool, bring our guys home and put them on the southern border ... WITH ammunition.

35 posted on 09/07/2010 6:49:51 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: SeekAndFind
What does this idiot think will happen to the troops when 1.2 billion muslims realize they can yank the average American's chain on command by threatening them?

Might as well just bring em home NOW.

The Kenyan muhammadan commie put him up to this and it stinks.

36 posted on 09/07/2010 6:50:43 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Mojave
Thanks, this should be shared and distributed far and wide.

I either forgot about this or don't remember it, but either way, it was an abomination and the poster child of Political Correctness/Nation Building/Multiculturalism, run amok.

What is worse is that according to the timeline (supposedly May 2008) this would have made it under W's watch, which should not surprise anyone, as this poor naive, uninformed and misled (no doubt by Islamo-Fascist, Jihad/Muslim Brotherhood-supporting TRAITOR--Grover Norquist--who should have been banned and shunned by all Conservatives a long time ago) "Compassionate Conservative" RINO, Bush, started out being a "Crusader-like Commander,"--ready, willing and able to kick some Radical-Islamic ass--and ended up like so many other "Dhimmis" praising/defending/appeasing, the faux, cult-cum-religion of "Pieces!" and its practitioners!

GOD forbid (pun intended) we should have allowed any "Proseletizing" and anyone trying to convert the heathen/barbarian/rock-worshipping-pagans.

The BIGGEST mistake we made was allowing Iraq and Afghanistan to form governments with the "Controlling Authority," being Islam/Sharia.

That in itself, guarantees we will never succeed in "Nation Building" or convince either country to live peacefully among other nations.

37 posted on 09/07/2010 6:56:48 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: paulycy
If we ___ - you fill in the blank - here at home "the terrorists will have won".

Remember that one?

Normally I wouldn't have considered any such silly protest but the general's comments have the effect of throwing down the gauntlet. Are we free or not?

38 posted on 09/07/2010 6:57:22 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: afnamvet

Petraeus needs to familiarize himself with the concept of total war.

***************

I agree with you, but we have not fought to win decisively at a strategic level since WWII. That was 65 years ago.

The closest exception was Reagan’s bankrupting the Soviet Union, which was inspired genius.


39 posted on 09/07/2010 6:57:41 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: thethirddegree
"I wonder when Petreaus is going to figure out that there is no such thing as a “moderate” Muslim."

I think he already knows that. He is just trying to do what ever it takes to win over there. He knows that despite prior success in Iraq, his military career hinges on the success in Afghanistan.

I don't think it is too much to ask the Rev. Jones to back off.

40 posted on 09/07/2010 6:57:43 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: paulycy

Our forefathers saw this coming, we see the results by ignoring their advice and now we have a Muslim as POTUS.

And said POTUS has its top commander complaining that his troops are in danger, the irony of this is astounding.

Burning the Koran exposes all the lies and weaknesses of Muslims, its like a truth serum and is an absolute tactical advantage, sure it appears childish but when dealing with a anal backward cult it is an act that while considered immature in the modern world is a very good act of defiance against them.

Its called defiance, we defy Islam, plain and simple as that.

We will burn the Koran, we will throw it in a cesspool, we will use its paper to clean excrement, we defy its purpose.

We defy Islam and its symbols of oppression and submission.


41 posted on 09/07/2010 6:58:58 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: wmileo
It was a huge mistake asking him to back off publically.

Its a lose-lose. To succeed hands a big victory to our enemies.

42 posted on 09/07/2010 7:00:14 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Psalm 144
"The closest exception was Reagan’s bankrupting the Soviet Union, which was inspired genius."

I agree. Michal Gorbachev won a Nobel Peace Prize for surrendering gracefully which only serves to prove how much of a genius Reagan was.

43 posted on 09/07/2010 7:00:49 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: SeekAndFind

Brought over from the ATRW thread:I’ve been thinking about Petraeus’s comments about the church burning the moslem book. I suspect, I cannot know, that Petraeus has been ordered to say something - anything - to try to dissuade that from happening. Who has the authority to order P to do anything? No, not his wife! General P has been ordered to speak against it by Caligula. Caligula is personally outraged by the church’s protest, probably tried to order some authority, police perhaps, FBI to stop it, found out he can’t do that and then ordered Petraeus to jump into the fray.

That is the only way General P’s comments make sense to me. General P has made his career out of protecting our first ammendment rights. We don’t say, “please don’t hurt me! I won’t do such-and-such.” We speak out and we protest. We’ve protested the enemies during other wars. The proper response is to hit the enemy harder, not wimpy roll over.

That’s the way I see it.


44 posted on 09/07/2010 7:01:49 AM PDT by Jemian (If guns kill people, then spoons make Michael Moore fat.)
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To: SeekAndFind; P-Marlowe

When they found bibles in Iraq, they took them from the soldier who had them, and they burned them.

I’m sure Gen Petraeus remembers that.

That said, some commander’s insensitivity to Christianity is no reason to violate “2 wrongs don’t make a right.”

However, in the Gainesville Church’s defense, they are little Paul’s doing what Paul oversaw in Acts 19....burning false religious texts.


45 posted on 09/07/2010 7:02:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Jemian
Since when are general's allowed to comment on anything remotely political?

Or does that rule now only apply to comments Obama doesn't approve of?

46 posted on 09/07/2010 7:04:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
...Are we free or not?...

It is a shame that we have come to the point that the answer is 'not'.

The Korans are the property of those who intend to burn them. Those who object should offer to buy them. Then the church should acquire more.

I wonder; when (and I mean when) this church is burned down or blown up by muslims, and members are killed, will there be any outrage about the crime? or will the left rally to the defense of Islam? Never mind, I know the answer.

47 posted on 09/07/2010 7:04:37 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Why does the Left think Muslims are going to behave as Christians?)
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To: SeekAndFind; xzins
The controversy comes as some 120,000 US and allied troops are waging a counter-insurgency campaign against the Taliban in Afghanistan, a campaign whose goals include winning support for the US-backed government from the largely Muslim population.

We could solve the whole Afghanistan problem if we just converted all the Muslims there to Christianity.

48 posted on 09/07/2010 7:05:46 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: SeekAndFind
Had that idiotic church not started this "Burn the Koran" thing, we would not have this outrage occuring in Afghanistan.

Bullshit.

We're already at war in Afghanistan, or hadn't you noticed?

This is just the excuse of the day. The same people would be here today in the same spot but they would have chosen a different thing to be "offended" about.

War is hell. They started it. They continue it under the name of islam and jihad. We are going to finish it once we get a non-muslim/non-marxist sympathetic administration with sense.

These people will LITERALLY KILL YOU if they have half a chance. Don't appease them in the name of "safety" because that is an illusion of the frightened.

Fight back. We win, they lose. Peace through strength, not servitude and cowardice. It's been that way in the world even longer than islam and Christianity has existed.

Learn from history or die in the same way other civilizations have.

49 posted on 09/07/2010 7:05:51 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: skeeter
I think General Petraeus was ordered by Caligula to make that statement. I do not think for one moment that he was speaking his own thoughts.
50 posted on 09/07/2010 7:06:32 AM PDT by Jemian (If guns kill people, then spoons make Michael Moore fat.)
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