Skip to comments.Gen. Petraeus: Dove World Outreach Center's 'Burn a Koran Day' endangers US troops
Posted on 09/07/2010 6:19:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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You continue to ignore context.
I recently heard an interview w/Robt Sopenser who correctly identified islam as a political movement (like communism) but uses the false image of religion to protect itself.
Keep your eye on the ball in front of you, focus on killing the bastards you are tasked with killing. Don’t worry about our liberties here in the US or how the exercise thereof may endanger us (our children) elsewhere.
A few burned copies of any (privately owned) book or flag won’t change the mind set they already have, don’t forget they hate us regardless of what we do or don’t do.
When the time comes for us to worry what some 7th centuryish woman hater/anti-western thug thinks of our natural rights and endowed liberites is the time when you need to (have the president) recall me to active duty....
Gen. Petraeus: Dove World Outreach Center’s ‘Burn a “New York Times” Day’ endangers US troops
Islam is. Removing that sword from the throats of of its victims would be a gift to the people of those countries.
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
Yeah, but it doesn’t burn well when I use toilet paper in the printer and then use it.
Converting them to Christianity by sword is impossible by very definition.
I’m convinced that obama forced Petraeus to make a public statement on this. This makes me sick.
RE: Gen. Petraeus: Dove World Outreach Centers Burn a New York Times Day endangers US troops
Hey you’re on a roll.
Pretty soon, we can send it to David Letterman for his TOP 10 list and then make a booklet out of your list.
My understanding, in part from reading the koran itself, is that it is a blueprint for a complete society including personal, governmental, judicial, religious and societal elements.
It is also not at all voluntary. A muslim must accept all parts of islam or face severe punishments under their sharia code of justice. This includes getting every person in the world to covert to islam, become a tribute-paying slave to islam, or killing those who won't do either. This jihad is mandatory.
Islam is the opposite of our Constitutional Republic and the personal rights and freedoms we enjoy. Islam cannot exist in the United States at the same time as our own Constitution. This is why we must literally fight the war that they have started or we literally lose our very civilization.
Converting them to Christianity by sword is a straw man of your own invention. Removing the sword of your beloved Jihadists from the throats of their victims would be a gift to the people of those countries, as much as the prospect of their deliverance upsets you.
Bummer announced a cut-and-run date before the planned protest gained world notoriety. This is too easy.
Jesus was no Caspar Milquetoast. Those who think Christianity is all hugs and kumbaya need to read Jesus:
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
He would have said the same to mohammed.
RE: A muslim must accept all parts of islam or face severe punishments under their sharia code of justice
Here’s the question — WHICH INTERPRETATION of the Koran should a Muslim accept?
Yes, there’s the Koran, and there’s also various INTERPRETATIONS of the Koran.
If every Muslim agreed on the Koran, then they wouldn’t be killing each other (or will they ?).
What straw man? You propounded support for just that with your approving quote from Coulter, who usually does well but really stepped in flaming manure with that one.
You continue to stress laughably irrelevant points.
Paul presided at the scene of a repentance.
Some of the same posters who are wailing at the prospect of a church exercising it right to free speech are defending the burning of Bibles by the military. It's nauseating, but all too predictable.
You make an excellent point. They don't all agree, which is all the more reason that they shouldn't engage in - and why we should never accept - a system in which those who disagree with each other believe that their god wants them each to kill the other as well as those who believe in a different God altogether.
This is a 7th century world view that needs to be "enlightened."
She says NOTHING about converting by sword, but that's what your Jihadist buddies do.
Show even one example or go skulk back away where you belong.
You have proceeded to the point of telling lies about me, so I shall ignore anything more you have to jab my way.
Paul presided at the burning of texts that were lies.
You simply can’t deny it.
I can’t say I agree with everybody here on this one.
Muslims join the Western Left in gleefully burning the American flag on a regular basis, but I have looked hard and found no instances of public or organized Bible burnings by Muslims.
I could see burning the Iranian flag, perhaps, but even then, most of the Iranian people desire to topple their regime also.
The enemies of freedom and Western culture are most threatened by exposure. Let us concentrate on doing that and setting a higher standard for our own conduct.
Here's Ann's entire column. Find her call for converting by sword like your Jihadist comrades.
Need a minute?
And he did not bother to do anything similar, that we are told about, at any non-repentance scene.
You simply can’t deny it.
You must not know him very well.
Remember this — DOVE is a fringe group.
America is a majority Christian country and I don’t see any other churches supporting what DOVE is doing.
Best to ignore them ( but then the press will milk this for what it’s worth ).
The unknown religious fanatic who started WWIII.
RE: Paul presided at the burning of texts that were lies.
Which Paul ? If you’re referring to the apostle, I’d like to see which chapter and verse of the New Testament says that.
There do exist Afghan Christians, and to my knowledge, it is not against the law in modern Afghanistan to have a Bible (in any language) in one’s possession. Afghanistan is not supposed to be subject to the whims of the Taliban any longer, and justifying their killing of these people does not help Afghanistan in any way.
It’s pointless to argue with x**** on a roll. He will simply constantly change his angle of irrelevancy.
Same with M***** except for also folding in ad-hominem lies and constantly pricking and poking and trying to provoke.
Did I just see the one go at the other? Be still, my eyes!
bingo...I’m giong to buy two korans, one for reading, one for burning.
Charcoal briquettes stamped with the Cult of the Moon God's crescent moon symbols might be a big seller.
How did I miss this.
You should do a thread on this. Maybe General Patraeus can explain the burning of BIBLES ordered by the U.S Military!
“Trying to win the hearts and minds of muslims is endangering our troops. We need to kill more bad guys until they decide it isn’t worth fighting us. Although, they will eventually act up again, and then we need to kill more.”
I’ve been saying this since we screwed up the “peace”in Iraq. We haven’t killed anywhere near enough of these people. Japan and Germany were destroyed after WW2 - they knew they were defeated and didn’t fight us any more. That’s when we knew HOW to win a war......
I say Burn ‘em............
Winning Hearts and Minds, didn’t work out too well in Vietnam.
Actually, they just kill people found with Bibles in their possession. I don’t know what they do with the Bibles themselves, but I doubt that it’s anything good.
I don’t think the Dove Ministries thing is a particularly good idea, although I think Islam is evil and I think it would be a great idea to wipe out the Koran altogether. However, from a PR point of view, I don’t think it was the smartest thing because it simply gives the Muslims some propaganda.
My local press has been absolutely full of whining, garbagy, full pages articles about the glories of Islam and the peace-loving Muslims of Gainesville (who have had a “dawa center” - that means proselytism or conversion center, by the way - hulking on the outskirts of town for a number of years now).
I’m sure Petraues is familar with the concept of total war, but he’s not the one setting the strategy for Afghanistan.
Sure, blame Abraham.
Oh, I certainly have no intention of having anything to do with an organization calling itself “Doves Ministries.”
And I also recognize that those who are raising a fuss over this have had nothing to say when Christian symbols are desecrated — sometimes at taxpayers’ expense.
I am not a Christian and this still offends me.
I think it is useful to draw them out and let them know there are still those who refuse to lay down and accept Muslim domination. If that simple act of burning a Koran makes them show their true colors, it will help wake the ignorant masses to the danger Islam presents to civilization.
That's awfully presumptious of you to bet that.
Yes, we are free to do something stupid and provocative.
All Petraus is saying is that there will be consequences for the Koran burning. And for that...
He also presided, when a non-Christian, at the stoning of St Stephen. He always considered himself a murderer, and I’m sure that’s part of the reason.
At this incident, thoroughly aware of what it means to preside at the scene of a bad example, he did NOT rush in to stop them shouting: “don’t burn those texts.”
Instead he allowed it to happen.
And Jesus wasn’t currying favor when he called his opponents: “of their father, the devil.”
And at the command of the same Lord, not texts, but UNBELIEVERS are going to be...burned for eternity.
And I’m sure there were writings in Sodom and Gomorrah when God burned them.
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” (Rev 21:8)
Are you actually saying that I'm not a Christian and support the UN because I don't believe Americans should have ritual book-burnings?
And are you presuming that these book-burners are being led by the Holy Spirit as they were in Acts, and not acting out of emotion?
That's a lot of presuming to do against someone who just disagrees with you, xzins....
Besides which, I happen to believe Gen. Petraeus is right about the very real probability that this irresponsible action would endanger our troops.
And that, IMO, would be a tragic end to an unhealthy action.
You are piecing together a nice but irrelevant patchwork which has no bearing on the wisdom of what “DOVE” is setting up to do.
Our troops might die for this 'right.' NO big deal. We have the right.
Does this even make sense to you, carton? It sure doesn't to me.
Quinsyconses? What quinsyconses?
I have always had an impression, left over from writings about him during his tenure at Fort Campbell, that the General was a Democrat, but quite in his political views.
I have always been astounded that there is an assumption on this site that he is a Republican and a conservative one at that. I think we would really be reeling if he retired in a year or two and ran as a Dem.