Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Gen. Petraeus: Dove World Outreach Center's 'Burn a Koran Day' endangers US troops
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 09/07/2010 | Jonathan Adams

Posted on 09/07/2010 6:19:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-50 ... 101-150151-200201-250 ... 351-381 next last
To: paulycy
What if our troops die because of this 'tit-for-tat' that you are supporting?

Is it worth it to you to do it then??

151 posted on 09/07/2010 8:30:52 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan

Well then let’s get rid of our rights, since it puts soldiers lives in danger.

What is putting their lives in danger is the ridiculous Rules of Engagement they’ve been given that stops them from blowing our enemies to Kingdom Come.


152 posted on 09/07/2010 8:32:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 148 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
Sure. But still stupid, and potentially dangerous to our troops on the field of battle.

It will come to no good end, other than in the loins of those doing the burning.

It's stupid.

153 posted on 09/07/2010 8:32:46 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan

I’m not presuming anything at all about you. I’m being sarcastic and doing so by playing off the “un” in your post.

I think that’s fairly obvious.

Other than that, I don’t think the muzzies will be any more murderous toward our troops after this koran burning than before it.


154 posted on 09/07/2010 8:33:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 146 | View Replies]

To: carton253
All Petraus is saying is that there will be consequences for the Koran burning.

And in doing so guarantees there will be.

Its the general's administration's comments that are stupid and provocative.

155 posted on 09/07/2010 8:33:43 AM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 144 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan

I think you are overstating the impact of what this little church is doing, and I’m convinced Petraeus is just saying what his master in the White House is telling him to say.


156 posted on 09/07/2010 8:34:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

This is none of Gen. Petraeus’s business. This is a political statement and I wonder if the Obama DOD pushed him into saying this.


157 posted on 09/07/2010 8:35:11 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
Go ahead. Burn a Koran. Exercise your rights with no regard to the consequences.

I'm sure it will make you feel real good.......but it will mean nothing, and you, not Obama, nor anyone else, will potentially put our soldiers at greater risk.

(Logic: If Obama can harm the troops with the ROE, why shouldn't I? Is that it?)

158 posted on 09/07/2010 8:35:38 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 152 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan
Go ahead. Burn a Koran. Exercise your rights with no regard to the consequences.

Not my style, but I'm not going to get too worked up about somebody else doing it.

159 posted on 09/07/2010 8:36:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 158 | View Replies]

The genie may already be out of the bottle.

Afghan protesters step on a U.S. flag during a demonstration against
the United States, in Kabul, Afghanistan, Monday, Sept. 6, 2010.
Hundreds of Afghans railed against the U.S. and called for President
Barack Obama's death at a rally in the capital Monday to denounce an
American church's plans to burn the Islamic holy book on 9/11

160 posted on 09/07/2010 8:36:55 AM PDT by McGruff (How's that Hopey Changey thingy workin for ya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 129 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
Anything that puts our troops at greater risk is not a matter of "overstating the impact" to me.

There is NO positive end to this, aside from the emotional. Period.

161 posted on 09/07/2010 8:37:17 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 156 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck; ohioWfan; P-Marlowe

Dove can pretty much burn whatever they want to burn.

I hope they shred it first so it burns easier.

And I hope they use the Acts 19 story to illustrate that it’s not really something new to be burning satanic verses.


162 posted on 09/07/2010 8:37:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 147 | View Replies]

To: skeeter
Then consequences be damned. Burn the Koran, express your freedom of speech, and let the dead fall where they fall.
163 posted on 09/07/2010 8:37:56 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about The Stainless Banner - a free e-zine dedicated to the armies of the Confederacy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 155 | View Replies]

To: WashingtonSource

All it did was to give even more publicity to the Church, which is exactly what they wanted, and going by their concern for the troops, even mentioning it put them more in danger, than if they just stayed quiet about, and let it pass unnoticed.


164 posted on 09/07/2010 8:38:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 157 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

If they do it knowing that it might endanger our troops on the battlefield, I will certainly ‘get worked up’ about it.


165 posted on 09/07/2010 8:38:38 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 159 | View Replies]

To: carton253
I’m sure Petraues is familar with the concept of total war, but he’s not the one setting the strategy for Afghanistan.

The current CIC sets the policy of political relationships with Afghanistan's leadership with the tone of securing the country. He also dictates Rules of Engagement for our military.

Petraues is over all commander of coalition forces including NATO. His statement, I would expect, was meant for Karzai's ears and the tribal leaders along the the warlords.

The muslims will stomp and howl but a church in Florida will exercise their right of free speech on Saturday, the 11th.

166 posted on 09/07/2010 8:38:41 AM PDT by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 139 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Like I said, I think burning it is a waste of perfectly good toilet paper.


167 posted on 09/07/2010 8:38:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 162 | View Replies]

To: xzins

And to teach their congregants to take events wildly out of context, of course....


168 posted on 09/07/2010 8:40:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 162 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan

By that logic, just posting here at Free Republic could put our troops at risk, if anyone over there reads a lot of these threads.


169 posted on 09/07/2010 8:40:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 165 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

LOL!

Thanks for the smile. I actually don’t care what they do with the korans. They can do whatever they want with them, but to pretend that this is somehow unChristian is to ignore the Christian tradition of speaking the truth about evil.


170 posted on 09/07/2010 8:41:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 167 | View Replies]

To: xzins

And to teach their congregants to take biblical events wildly out of context, of course....


171 posted on 09/07/2010 8:41:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 162 | View Replies]

To: xzins
The situation in the Acts 19 story are completely different. Apples to oranges as they say.

You brought it up because you were accusing people of being against this burning on Christian principles as having the "Christianity" of the UN, and not the Bible. Didn't work.

Though, I appreciate your backing off that ridiculous accusation now.

Gotta go now.

172 posted on 09/07/2010 8:41:30 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 162 | View Replies]

To: afnamvet

Bullcrap...


173 posted on 09/07/2010 8:41:38 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about The Stainless Banner - a free e-zine dedicated to the armies of the Confederacy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 166 | View Replies]

To: xzins

It sounds a lot more self promoting than God promoting.


174 posted on 09/07/2010 8:41:50 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 170 | View Replies]

To: xzins
he did NOT rush in to stop them shouting: “don’t burn those texts.”

Bull's eye. And you'll note that the apologists for the Jihadists don't have any objection to the military burning Bibles.

175 posted on 09/07/2010 8:42:48 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 145 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
Another apples to oranges comparison, and completely illogical.

A public book burning the same as posting on the internet?

Nope. Doesn't work.

176 posted on 09/07/2010 8:43:01 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 169 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan
Anything that puts our troops at greater risk is not a matter of "overstating the impact" to me.

"Install footbaths at JFK or we'll kill your troops"

"Allow Sharia law in Dearborn or we'll kill your troops."

"Convert to Islam or we'll kill your troops."

We should just pull out of there now.

177 posted on 09/07/2010 8:43:24 AM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 161 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan

The military shouldn’t burn bibles (I say this to put the lie to a liar).


178 posted on 09/07/2010 8:44:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 176 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

We’ve gone over it. It isn’t out of context.

In fact, there was very real disapproval of those texts that was evident in that story. And there was very real approval of the burning of them evident in that story.

But, it’ll have to await the day when this dies down for some to see it.


179 posted on 09/07/2010 8:44:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 171 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan

Sure, why not. They are private citizens expressing their opinions on a public forum, just like here at Free Republic, where anyone can read the posts.


180 posted on 09/07/2010 8:44:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 176 | View Replies]

To: carton253

It is you who are ignoring the consequences.


181 posted on 09/07/2010 8:44:36 AM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 163 | View Replies]

To: skeeter

They are offended that we even exist in the first place.


182 posted on 09/07/2010 8:45:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan
What if our troops die because of this 'tit-for-tat' that you are supporting? Is it worth it to you to do it then??

I believe that our troops are equipped to deal with wartime situations and will defend themselves valiantly under fire from anyone at anytime. Some are dying now, which is to be regretted. More will die whether or not korans are burned on 9-11, also to be regretted, but Freedom isn't Free. This is the primary lesson that needs to be learned.

If we do not wish anyone to be in harm's way then we should not be there at all. But our volunteer forces *are* there and I have every faith that those putting themselves in harm's way for ME and my family and YOU and your family would not want us to surrender our unalienable God-given and Constitutionally-protected rights under ANY circumstances. To do so would render their noble sacrifice meaningless.

I hate war. America is a peaceful country. But the war was escalated on 9/11/01 and we are still fighting it as best we can given the current feckless administration.

The direct answer to your question is that as long as a fully volunteer force is willing to fight to the death to ensure my personal liberties then I am not going to minimize their courage or their ultimate sacrifice by willingly surrendering exactly those rights they are fighting for. That would not be "worth it" to anybody, especially those who may be killed on our mutual behalf.

And if we have to engage in symbolic warfare against our enemies then so be it; our troops can and will defend themselves well. I happen to think that, at this particular moment, burning the korans is a *good* tactic to help draw otherwise hidden enemies out of the woodwork. But that is another post. This one is too long already.

183 posted on 09/07/2010 8:46:09 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 151 | View Replies]

To: xzins

And there was clear evidence that Paul wisely picked and chose such events, and that to liken that with today’s occurrence is not even like comparing apples and oranges. It’s like comparing apples and quasars.


184 posted on 09/07/2010 8:46:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 179 | View Replies]

To: carton253

Oh,in what way?


185 posted on 09/07/2010 8:47:01 AM PDT by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 173 | View Replies]

To: paulycy

Exactly, never forget, they started it. During WWII we regularly mocked Emperor Hirohito, who was considered to be a God by the Japanese.


186 posted on 09/07/2010 8:47:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 183 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck
self-promoting

Good to know that some know they're actually thinking. It's always helpful to mind-readers available.

187 posted on 09/07/2010 8:47:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 174 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck
self-promoting

Good to know that some know what they're actually thinking. It's always helpful to mind-readers available.

188 posted on 09/07/2010 8:47:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 174 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck
self-promoting

Good to know that some know what they're actually thinking. It's always helpful to mind-readers available.

189 posted on 09/07/2010 8:47:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 174 | View Replies]

To: paulycy

Why aren’t we seeing things like Roe v. Wade burnings? Someone riddle me that one.


190 posted on 09/07/2010 8:48:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 183 | View Replies]

To: xzins

It sounds self promoting. Very similar to the Westburros.


191 posted on 09/07/2010 8:49:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 189 | View Replies]

To: ohioWfan

Reading comprehension is a friend.


192 posted on 09/07/2010 8:51:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 172 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Also good to know you’re being consistent. Not content to take Acts 19 out of context, you now take what I said out of context!


193 posted on 09/07/2010 8:51:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 188 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
All the "Dove World Outreach Center" is going to prove is that Americans can be just as mindlessly fanatical as anybody else.

This act a slap in the face of true Christianity. It's on the level of that preacher who prayed for the death of Obama.

People say that radical Islamists are going to hate us anyway. If that's the case then why not try to behave in a blameless manner? Why contribute to a cycle of hate? Why stoop to their level? Why set up a stumbling block for relations with the non-radical adherents of Islam?

194 posted on 09/07/2010 8:52:01 AM PDT by Route797
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Too bad you can’t seem to make that friend.


195 posted on 09/07/2010 8:52:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 192 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
By that logic, just posting here at Free Republic could put our troops at risk, if anyone over there reads a lot of these threads.

Bingo.

196 posted on 09/07/2010 8:52:54 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 169 | View Replies]

To: Route797

Aww, that “blameless” stuff is old fashioned. It was long crossed out of many bibles.


197 posted on 09/07/2010 8:54:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 194 | View Replies]

To: UCANSEE2

Can’t believe I hadn’t seen this yet - my heart breaks for this poor decision on the part of somebody who couldn’t be bothered to just send them back with a note.

Colonel, USAFR


198 posted on 09/07/2010 8:54:29 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

It could be they have some spare marshmallows to roast.

And it could be they’re tired of everyone being afraid of the muzzies and are setting an example.

And it could just be they want to see if the killers will actually attack over exercise of free speech.

And it could be they want to see if the Fed will attempt to abuse its power to prevent free speech.

All of which are reasons for an allah-bonfire.


199 posted on 09/07/2010 8:54:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 191 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Cowards hate and resent brave men.


200 posted on 09/07/2010 8:54:49 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 189 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-50 ... 101-150151-200201-250 ... 351-381 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson