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Gen. Petraeus: Dove World Outreach Center's 'Burn a Koran Day' endangers US troops
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 09/07/2010 | Jonathan Adams

Posted on 09/07/2010 6:19:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: skeeter
Ummmmm...........you got 'personal' and I replied in kind. Shouldn't have I suppose, knowing your track record.

To the point......your post made no sense. So stop pinging me, please. There's no reason to believe anything you say further will be any more logical than what you've already posted.

Thanks ever so much, and if you're lucky, maybe you'll get your face in the news when you participate in this irresponsible book-burning......

351 posted on 09/07/2010 1:59:52 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Mojave
An enemy force swollen with recruits by the appeasement that you seek.

Your tactical reasoning is flawed. Theirs ranks swell because of the anger resulting from insulting acts such as the burning of their holy books. That useless activity could push heretofore nonparticipating Muslims into the fracus. How could you think otherwise?

352 posted on 09/07/2010 2:08:37 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
In the 1942 case of ‘Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire’, the Supreme Court held that so-called “fighting words...which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace” are not protected by the First Amendment and can be punished.

What reeking dishonesty you use in support of appeasement of our enemies and to support your contempt for free speech by Americans.

The actual majority opinion upheld Chapter 378, § 2, of the Public Laws of New Hampshire, which stated:

"No person shall address any offensive, derisive or annoying word to any other person who is lawfully in any street or other public place, nor call him by any offensive or derisive name, nor make any noise or exclamation in his presence and hearing with intent to deride, offend or annoy him, or to prevent him from pursuing his lawful business or occupation."

It dealt with fighting words from one individual directed against another individual in his presence. You're busted. You should be ashamed.

I'll bet you're not.

353 posted on 09/07/2010 2:10:40 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: GingisK
Nope. Never thought is was a good one.

Well then, at least we've identified our fundamental difference.

I think the time is better spent calling for "freedom of motion" for our troops and calls to keep politics out of the battle.

Then your beef is with Petraeus and not with Rev Jones, or me.

354 posted on 09/07/2010 2:14:45 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: GingisK
Theirs ranks swell because of the anger resulting from insulting acts

The ranks of those cowards swells in response to any perceived weakness. You know, like the presence of a quisling in our midst who falsely claims that the church may be silenced according to a Supreme Court decision that says nothing of the sort.

355 posted on 09/07/2010 2:15:27 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: ohioWfan
So stop pinging me, please

? You must have me confused with someone else.

Anyway, I'm happy to accommodate your request. Happy trails.

356 posted on 09/07/2010 2:17:14 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
LOL! You're a hoot skeeter.

Clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but amusing nonetheless.....

Happy Trails, Roy.........or is that Dale? ;)

357 posted on 09/07/2010 2:40:09 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
Good ol OhioWfan... always the first to resort to insults, and the first & loudest to holler offense.

Stay well.

358 posted on 09/07/2010 2:45:23 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

You must be posting that to the wrong person. I guess we all make mistakes, eh?


359 posted on 09/07/2010 3:15:36 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: GingisK
Thank you for returning to the thread. I do enjoy your company.

This has been an interesting thread, true. And unusual in that I typically don't get into these long discussions as I don't really like arguing with other conservatives. I mostly post dopey pictures mocking our enemies.

I will also say that you are definitely in the majority, at least on national talk radio and TV.

I still see problems with caving in at this point and would like a non-mainstream group like this to do it and examine what the real consequences are - because I know that there will be consequences, just not as bad as you predict. I just happen to think that more good can come of it than most seem to think is possible in terms of seeing just who would actually threaten and even attack based on what we consider a First Amemndment right. I also don't think they should back down now that they've opened their mouths.

Something extreme like this is either 1) just a fringe event or 2) a tactic to raise awareness or disturb the status quo and make a point of simply being able to do it.

So I guess I want to see it happen for reason #2, the raw shake-up-the-inattentive value of it (many good people have no idea sharia is coming to America) as well as to simply show the enemy, particularly those here in the US, that we do have a First Amendment and we are serious about it. Sharia would take that away. I pray that no troops or church folk are hurt or killed because of it.

Now that the First Amendment is in play (even if this instance was a bad idea to begin with) I think backing down is bad on the principle of it. It actually IS important to win in this case IMHO. And no, I am not on the battlefield but volunteer professionals who can take care of themselves are.

Have a good day, FRiend.

360 posted on 09/07/2010 3:46:24 PM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: GingisK

Shoot them if they are upset. No one here in the USA went out shooting muzzies after 9/11. What makes their POS religion so special? Why do they get special treatment? Does the 1st amendment only apply to f’ng islam?
Screw them, nuke mecca.


361 posted on 09/07/2010 3:49:52 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - FUBO)
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To: skeeter
Oh..........I just want to note one more thing, skeeter.

YOU were the first to insult and YOU were the first to whine, making this post, among other things, amusing.

Facts are stubborn things. Perhaps you should consider actually using them some day.....

Stay well, yourself.

362 posted on 09/07/2010 4:09:28 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: bfree
The 9/11 event was perpetrated by citizens Saudi Arabia. We went after the Iraqis because Saudi Arabia and Kuwait asked us to do so. Iraqi was a threat to them; and, we have support treaties in exchange for access to oil.

When Muslim nations attack us, we should reduce them to rubble and send them back to the Stone Age. Let their neighbors rebuild them. I don't advocate insulting them or otherwise inciting them to violence; however, I surely do come out in favor of slagging Mecca if that would help.

Let us use our Freedom of Speech to get our own house in order. We have a serious lack in representation within Congress. That is far more important than rattling the cages of animals.

363 posted on 09/07/2010 4:10:31 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: paulycy
Your heart is most surely in the right place. Your post was thoughtful and nicely articulated.

You also have a great day!

364 posted on 09/07/2010 4:12:15 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: ohioWfan
I don't know why I bother but...

Show me the post where I insulted you, OhioWfan.

If you cannot then I will consider accepting your apology.

If you are a big enough person, that is.

365 posted on 09/07/2010 4:26:19 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: GingisK
Then we agree on turning the desert to glass if necessary.
BTW, the people who attacked us were muslim believers in a scum con of a religion. There is NO honor with islam, just destruction. WE should never allow mosques near the World Trade site, why are our politicians so sensitive to appeasing these animals?
I don't want our troops put in harm's way, but to flex to radicalism shows weakness and I do not care one bit if anyone insults islam, it deserves to be insulted. They certainly don't tolerate any other religion, so I don't tolerate those POS animals.
366 posted on 09/07/2010 4:43:23 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - FUBO)
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To: ohioWfan
Weren't able to back up your charge? No problem.

I'll just assume you confused me with someone else - an honest mistake.

I don't believe you're the kind of person to purposely lie about something like that.

367 posted on 09/07/2010 4:55:52 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
LOL! Post 248.

If you're a big enough person, please apologize.

I'm sorry I responded to your insult with another insult. I've admitted I shouldn't have already, but I am sorry that I did.

As for the whining, see post 262, re my post 242.

I'm sorry I responded to anything you've said skeeter. You guys all have the same tactic. What you do, you accuse others of doing. You're not worth the aggravation.

(Oh.......sorry about the "roy" or "dale" comment too. I have no idea what gender you are. I should have left your "happy trails" silliness alone.).

Now I'm sure that no one else is interested in this 'discussion' we're having, so I'll try to do my part to end it. It's a waste of both of our time.

On the topic of the thread, one more time. A bunch of Americans burning Korans is stupid and irresponsible, and General Petraeus is correct in pointing out that it may well endanger our troops. And that has absolutely nothing to do with what you posted in post 177 about our 'pulling out of their now.'

Absolutely nothing. It was nonsensical.

Now you may put your money where your fingers are, and go burn a Koran on 9/11 and fill some emotional need you have.

I'm going to remember the terror against us and pray for the families who lost so much on this day, and pray for the country as we reel under a Muslim-sympathizing Marxist "president."

You're free to do whatever you want. For now, this is still America.

368 posted on 09/07/2010 5:00:34 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: bfree
...so I don't tolerate those POS animals...

We both hold the same level of affection for "Those Guys".

In my later years, however, I am beginning to appreaciate and emulate the gentlemanly behavior of our Founders. I don't think insults will help in the quest for resolution to problems. They are good only for picking a fight. I don't think it is ethical to pick a fight that others must wage on my behalf.

If I were sitting out there in the sand, I'd probably be a problem child for command. ;-D

369 posted on 09/07/2010 5:01:17 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: skeeter

You’re too quick on the trigger there, Roy. ;)


370 posted on 09/07/2010 5:01:17 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: GingisK

You really think if they decide not to burn a koran that a soldier’s life will be saved, that the Taliban guy will say, “Nah, I got him in my sites, but because they didn’t burn the book, I won’t pull the trigger today!” ... that is naive. That jerk will pull the trigger whether or not the book is burned ... that’s what they do. They, unlike us, know they are in a war ... we’re still trying to justify it in our own minds. Maybe you’d like to sit down and have tea with them? You and Obama, not me.


371 posted on 09/07/2010 5:08:29 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: thethirddegree

“I wonder when Petreaus is going to figure out that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim.”

While they are probably in the minority, to be fair, there are some moderate/democratic Muslims. Mark Levin had one on his show (the replay was yesterday, if you wish to look it up).


372 posted on 09/07/2010 5:27:31 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: massgopguy

“How does he think our soldiers who are Christian felt about having bibles confiscated and burned by our own military?”

Good point.

Also, while Petraeus has some good traits, I was extremely disappointed that he did not change the rules of engagement.


373 posted on 09/07/2010 5:31:45 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: ohioWfan
My post said: That my point made no sense to you doesn't surprise me. We wouldn't be disagreement if you understood it.

Wow. If you considered this an insult then you've got issues that far exceed my ability to diagnose.

374 posted on 09/07/2010 5:36:56 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
LOL! I know you, skeeter. The ad hominems started with you. As did the whining when it was reciprocated.

btw, I'm very healthy emotionally......you know.......a grown up. And I apologize when I've been wrong. How about you?

I also have no emotional need to burn anything for no logical reason, either.

(Which is why I'm on this thread in the first place. I figured some stability was needed among the hotheads and nutjobs who post to fulfill some need they have to pretend to be tough guys while sitting in Mom's basement, you know?)

Oh......and do let us know how that book burning goes when the rest of us are remembering 9/11 with the respect it deserves....

375 posted on 09/07/2010 6:14:01 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
I recall once swearing I would never again get drawn into being a bit player in one of your odd passive-aggressive standup routines here on FR.

Well, today I did it again and I'm sorry.

376 posted on 09/07/2010 6:17:46 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: All

“Coalition to Honor Ground Zero: Burning a Koran on September 11th irresponsible and wrong
by Editors on September 7, 2010

STATEMENT FROM THE COALITION TO HONOR GROUND ZERO

The Coalition to Honor Ground Zero has learned that Minister Terry Jones has stated he will be burning a Koran on September 11th.

We find such an idea irresponsible and wrong.

We uphold the Minister’s freedom of speech and assembly yet with rights come responsibilities; we urge him not to go ahead with his plans of burning a People’s religious book.”

http://stopthe911mosque.com/2010/09/07/coalition-to-honor-ground-zero-burning-a-koran-on-september-11th-irresponsible-and-wrong/

If only Imam Rauf, and associates, had this much class.


377 posted on 09/07/2010 6:25:36 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: GingisK

I am now in my later years and have decided that political correctness sucks and I no longer tolerate it it. To each his own. We were attacked on a religious basis and I think the whole religion is the enemy. To be sensitive to their beliefs is just plain stupid. Ask the British about Neville Chamberlain.


378 posted on 09/07/2010 6:40:17 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - FUBO)
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To: skeeter
I'm not "passive aggressive," mr. armchair bookburning psychologist.

I'm just sarcastic and honest, and you 'drew' yourself into this by posting nonsense to me in the first place, insulting me, and then whining about my reaction. Stop blaming me for what you did here. I won't be waiting for your apology. I know you can't bring yourself to admit you were wrong.

Oh....and do enjoy the book burning.

379 posted on 09/07/2010 6:43:34 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: bfree
To be sensitive to their beliefs is just plain stupid.

I'm not even in the slightest sensitive too their beliefs. I just think it is not responsible to the stir the pot only at the expense of the guys sitting in the sand. I just can't take the approach that you do: That it is OK to enrage the enemy so that they attack those who now serve in the war zone. I think it would be terrific if you would insult the Muslims at your own expense. If you want to be a bullet magnet, do it at your own risk not at others'.

It really surprises me that there are people who imagine themselves to be responsible adults when they incite violence to others in the safety of their church or home. I guess you are too full of your own importance to understand.

380 posted on 09/07/2010 8:09:27 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: afnamvet

I think Petraeus’ point is that our troops are serving with the local army, who are of course Muslims, and burning a Koran endangers not only that relationship, but the safety of our troops.

If you don’t want us serving with Muslims and fighting on our own, that’s what I guess you mean by ‘total war’, then we’re talking about the draft. That’s another can of worms altogether, though.


381 posted on 09/07/2010 9:16:00 PM PDT by MECfist
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