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Climate: New study slashes estimate of icecap loss
PhysOrg.com ^ | Sep 07, 2010 | Richard Ingham

Posted on 09/07/2010 10:00:37 AM PDT by Arkancide

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Put that on ice, Al!
1 posted on 09/07/2010 10:00:43 AM PDT by Arkancide
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To: Arkancide
Estimates of the rate of ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica, one of the most worrying questions in the global warming debate, should be halved, according to Dutch and US scientists.

D@mn warmal globing!!!

2 posted on 09/07/2010 10:04:08 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2010!!)
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To: Arkancide

HAHAHA

Al’s house of global warming cards is falling down.


3 posted on 09/07/2010 10:04:47 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Arkancide

Amateurs, they forgot about the glacial isostatic adjustment.


4 posted on 09/07/2010 10:07:21 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Arkancide
But, according to the new study, published in the September issue of the journal Nature Geoscience, the ice estimates fail to correct for a phenomenon known as glacial isostatic adjustment.

So to put it in layman's terms, the heavy ice pushes down on the Earth's crust, so even though there's less water (because it's in the form of ice), the sea levels don't fall. So in the reverse, with less ice pushing down, the earth's crust "rebounds" back upwards and even with the additional water (from the melted ice), the sea level changes are mitigated.

Proving once again, the climatological systems are just too complex to make human-based calculations on, even with our most powerful computers.

5 posted on 09/07/2010 10:17:37 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bakon Akbar!)
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To: Arkancide

The argument is over and the alarmists lost.

I’ve not collected my bets yet but it’s over.

Whether variations in the sun explain it or the researchers have shaded the truth to gain additional funding and so there is no data to support anthropological warming, it’s over.

Let’s worry about the real problems


6 posted on 09/07/2010 10:20:18 AM PDT by Helotes
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To: Arkancide

—details, details-—


7 posted on 09/07/2010 10:22:48 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Arkancide

I can’t believe I misquoted Clinton’s “better put some ice on that!”


8 posted on 09/07/2010 10:23:17 AM PDT by Arkancide (www.arkancide.com)
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To: Arkancide; rdl6989; livius; DollyCali; IrishCatholic; meyer; SteamShovel; Desdemona; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

9 posted on 09/07/2010 10:26:01 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Release the Second Chakra !!!!!!!" ... Al Gore, 10/24/06)
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To: Arkancide

Well, they have to come up with something to explain why all the flooding they predicted isn’t happening.


10 posted on 09/07/2010 10:26:39 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Arkancide
This writeup is misleading. Isostatic adjustment is a basic component of many other researchers' work!

It seems that the real story is that this team is just declaring that the current isostatic models (e.g., perhaps IJ05--Ivins and James, 2005 for Antarctica?) are incorrect, and therefore saying the corrections applied are incorrect.

11 posted on 09/07/2010 10:32:42 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Arkancide

The “estimate of ice loss” should be labeled “estimate of ice gain”. Glacier Girl landed and was left behind on the Greenland ice sheet in 1942. She was recovered from beneath 270 feet of ice 50 year later: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_girl How on earth did that aircraft get under 270 feet of ice in 50 years (5.4 feet of ice per year) if the ice sheet is shrinking?


12 posted on 09/07/2010 10:52:33 AM PDT by theymakemesick ( Filled with hatred for those that disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: Arkancide
the annual three-millimetre (0.2 inch) yearly rise in sea levels

0.2 inches? Try 0.002 inches (49 micrometers).

"Researchers at the University of Leeds calculate that around 1.5 million Titanic-sized icebergs each year are melting into the sea every year in the Arctic and Antarctic. This is causing sea level to rise by just 49 micrometers per year - around a hair's breadth."

"At that rate it would take 200 years for the oceans to rise by 1cm as a result of melting sea ice. If all the floating ice in the world melted it would cause sea levels to rise by just 4cm. In comparison if all the ice on land melted it would cause a rise of 70m. Sea levels will also rise as the oceans get warmer because of thermal expansion."

13 posted on 09/07/2010 10:53:30 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Arkancide

For reference, Water has a mass of 1,000 kilograms per cubic meter, or one metric ton per cubic meter (ice is a touch less dense, but let’s ignore that for ease of calculation). There are one billion cubic meters per cubic kilometer (1,000*1,000*1,000). Antarctica has about 30 million cubic kilometers of ice.

1,000,000,000 * 30,000,000 = 30,000,000,000,000,000 (30 quadrillion) tons of water

What’s a hundred billion tons of ice lost a year? 1/300,000,000 of the ice we have there.

But oh no, that’s still a hundred billion tons of fresh water going into our seas every year upsetting their delicate balance! Yeah, but the oceans have 1,300,000,000 cubic kilometers of water. The entire Antarctic ice cap is about 2% of the ocean volume, and at current rate it’ll take 300 million years to melt. I highly doubt the oceans of 300 million hears ago had the same salinity as they do today. In fact, back then Antarctica likely had no ice and had a temperate climate.


14 posted on 09/07/2010 10:59:22 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Arkancide
Notice how they carefully specify "West" Antarctica. That is because while the west antarctic ice sheet is melting due to local climatological and oceanographic factors, the rest of the continent is accumulating ice cover at a significant rate.
15 posted on 09/07/2010 11:14:41 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Helotes
“The argument is over and the alarmists lost.”

You are absolutely correct. People like Heidi Cullen on the Weather Channel should lose their accreditation for continuing to push the Man Made Global Warming fraud.

16 posted on 09/07/2010 11:21:33 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Arkancide

The ice is vacillating all over the place or their theories are. It’s like when Yeshisassisfat died. He’s dead. He’s alive! He’s dead. He’s alive! He’s dead.......


17 posted on 09/07/2010 11:28:01 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: b4its2late; Arkancide
Well we have this opinion....FR thread I started:

Forget going green -- Earth doesn't care ( We are Doomed ...Commentary of how many ways)

18 posted on 09/07/2010 11:33:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Arkancide; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; SunkenCiv; Paul Pierett; justa-hairyape; neverdem; ...

This seems like a Biggie...


19 posted on 09/07/2010 11:40:48 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Arkancide

But....but....I thought the science was settled.


20 posted on 09/07/2010 11:42:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
The whole refrain goes: “The science is settled — we need more billions for further research!!”.
21 posted on 09/07/2010 11:51:31 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Arkancide

22 posted on 09/07/2010 12:11:03 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/music/Gloria+Jane)
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To: Arkancide
"Together, that would account for more than half of the annual three-millimetre (0.2 inch) yearly rise in sea levels, a pace that compares dramatically with 1.8mm (0.07 inches) annually in the early 1960s."

Ye flippin' gods. Three millimeters is a lot closer to 0.1 inch than to 0.2 (0.118 inches, to be more precise). If they can't even get simple arithmetic right, how the heck can they be trusted to "math model" ANYTHING.

23 posted on 09/07/2010 12:12:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Flavious_Maximus

If they can take back Reggie Bush’s Heisman, then they should take back Gore’s Nobel


24 posted on 09/07/2010 12:17:24 PM PDT by Helotes
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We’re doomed!


25 posted on 09/07/2010 12:18:21 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Mojave
"If all the floating ice in the world melted it would cause sea levels to rise by just 4cm."

Huh??? Archimedes would like to talk to you.

26 posted on 09/07/2010 12:18:46 PM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Evidence via. careful observation continues to build the case against any form of world wide warming trends. It will be nice to read eventually how the CCX Exchange out of Chicago will go into it’s final meltdown.


27 posted on 09/07/2010 12:34:36 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Arkancide

Don’t be so hard on those Scientific-like boys; they were only wrong by 50% or so.


28 posted on 09/07/2010 12:36:14 PM PDT by politicalmerc (I can see November from my house; can you?)
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To: rednesss

Heeeeee Heeeeee!


29 posted on 09/07/2010 12:38:03 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Arkancide

Unexpected!


30 posted on 09/07/2010 12:56:14 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Arkancide

Unexpected!


31 posted on 09/07/2010 12:58:54 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Arkancide

32 posted on 09/07/2010 1:01:37 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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To: Helotes

The argument is over and the alarmists lost.

I’ll celebrate with you later.

The President of the United States, most leaders of the “free” world and most of the United States Congress still believe in it.


33 posted on 09/07/2010 1:10:41 PM PDT by dockkiller (COME AND TAKE IT.)
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To: Mojave

Link or citation?

I’d like to have those numbers at my fingertips when teaching my kids.


34 posted on 09/07/2010 1:13:17 PM PDT by dockkiller (COME AND TAKE IT.)
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Huh??? Archimedes would like to talk to you.

Wouldn't the melted ice occupy exactly the same space as the submerged part of the ice?

35 posted on 09/07/2010 1:30:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Lt. Col. Ralph Peters: Obama is the dog who caught the fire truck!)
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To: dockkiller
The President of the United States, most leaders of the “free” world and most of the United States Congress still believe in it.

I'm not sure they actually believe it or simply are trying to convince the masses so they can run through all kinds of environmental taxes.

36 posted on 09/07/2010 1:33:36 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Forget going green — Earth doesn’t care ( We are Doomed ...Commentary of how many ways)

I love fatalist threads.. Thanks! :-)


37 posted on 09/07/2010 1:36:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: crusty old prospector
...they forgot about the glacial isostatic adjustment...

Don't sweat the small stuff.

Close enough for government work. /s

38 posted on 09/07/2010 1:38:36 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: politicalmerc

“Climate scientists,” at least the dishonest and sloppy ones, are giving scientists in general a bad name. Although I believe there are questions beyond the capabilty of even honest scientists to answer, that’s sad.


39 posted on 09/07/2010 1:39:02 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Lt. Col. Ralph Peters: Obama is the dog who caught the fire truck!)
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To: theymakemesick

Do heavy objects that are surrounded by ice “sink?”


40 posted on 09/07/2010 1:41:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: Arkancide

An aerial view of the Ice glacier of Ilulissat, Greenland in 2009. Estimates of the rate of ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica, one of the most worrying questions in the global warming debate, should be halved, according to Dutch and US scientists. (AFP/File/Slim Allagui)


41 posted on 09/07/2010 1:51:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: dockkiller

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/793/melting_icebergs_causing_sea_level_rise


42 posted on 09/07/2010 1:57:31 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: rednesss

“Because of differences in the density and temperature of ice and sea water, the net effect is to increase sea level by 2.6% of this volume, equivalent to 49 micrometers per year spread across the global oceans.”

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/793/melting_icebergs_causing_sea_level_rise


43 posted on 09/07/2010 1:59:15 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“Because of differences in the density and temperature of ice and sea water, the net effect is to increase sea level by 2.6% of this volume, equivalent to 49 micrometers per year spread across the global oceans.”

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/793/melting_icebergs_causing_sea_level_rise


44 posted on 09/07/2010 2:00:02 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: dockkiller

You forget that in “worldview wars”,

facts don’t prove a thing.


45 posted on 09/07/2010 2:02:53 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: crusty old prospector
Amateurs, they forgot about the glacial isostatic adjustment.

I heard the herd @ CRU was spankin their goat with it, and it got mad and trotted off with the adjuster still attached and dragging behind. It's been spotted by the OneWorldLeague, (O.W.L.) but no one could find a CRU, so what do they do?.

46 posted on 09/07/2010 2:12:12 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Defend America peacefully, vigorously, and swiftly against all enemies before she becomes a memory)
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To: Arkancide

Oops.


47 posted on 09/07/2010 2:13:19 PM PDT by denydenydeny (You're not only wrong. You're wrong at the top of your voice. --Spencer Tracy, Bad Day at Black Rock)
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To: Mojave
equivalent to 49 micrometers per year spread across the global oceans

Even assuming there is no flaw in their data or reasoning, that's half a millimeter. Somehow I don't think that will make much of a difference in my life (or a polar bear's life for that matter), unless leftists are able to use it as an excuse to destroy capitalism.

48 posted on 09/07/2010 2:18:25 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Lt. Col. Ralph Peters: Obama is the dog who caught the fire truck!)
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To: Gondring
This writeup is misleading

Hey, that's like saying that Harry Potter never flew a dragon!

49 posted on 09/07/2010 2:19:41 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Defend America peacefully, vigorously, and swiftly against all enemies before she becomes a memory)
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To: Mojave

Thanks


50 posted on 09/07/2010 5:10:53 PM PDT by dockkiller (COME AND TAKE IT.)
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