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Obama to Propose Tax Write-Off for Business
NY Times ^ | 9/7/10 | Jackie Calmes

Posted on 09/07/2010 10:31:47 AM PDT by Nachum

WASHINGTON — As part of his emerging program to jolt the economic recovery from its stall, President Obama will call this week for allowing businesses to deduct from their taxes through 2011 the full value of new equipment purchase, from computers to utility generators, to increase demand for goods and create jobs.

The upfront deduction would allow businesses of all sizes to keep more money now and would give large corporations, many of which are sitting on cash because of uncertainty about the economy, an incentive to spend and invest.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obama; propose; tax; writeoff
Hmmmm
1 posted on 09/07/2010 10:31:48 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Desperation????


2 posted on 09/07/2010 10:33:28 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: Nachum

“...allowing businesses to deduct from their taxes through 2011 the full value of new equipment purchase...”

Ahhhhhhh...good. But tell me, Mr. POtuS, from where will we get the money to purchase the equipment to get the write off?

Ahole.


3 posted on 09/07/2010 10:33:39 AM PDT by jessduntno (Flush the Grand Old Potty. Change it top to bottom. Conservatives only.)
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To: Nachum

Obama, just get the hell out of the way!


4 posted on 09/07/2010 10:33:53 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Larry Lucido; Cagey; MotleyGirl70; Gamecock

Kramer : It’s just a write off for them .

Jerry : How is it a write off ?

Kramer : They just write it off .

Jerry : Write it off what ?

Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything

Jerry : You don’t even know what a write off is .

Kramer : Do you ?

Jerry : No . I don’t .

Kramer : But they do and they are the ones writing it off .


5 posted on 09/07/2010 10:34:51 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: Nachum

Desperation from the business hating democrats.


6 posted on 09/07/2010 10:35:59 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: jessduntno

What a clueless idiot. Besides not having the money, the last thing my company needs right now is “equipment.”


7 posted on 09/07/2010 10:36:08 AM PDT by Tucker822
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To: Nachum
Just to be clear:

This is not a tax cut. This is a tax deferral.

Normally, businesses depreciate capital equipment over a period of time, deducting only a percentage of the value each year. Allowing 100% depreciation in 2011 (it's too late for anything significant in 2010) simply means that a business can deduct the entire value in 2011.

If a particular item was normally on a 5-year depreciation schedule, the business would deduct 20% each year in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015. Deducting 100% in 2011 means that there will be no deductions for depreciation of that item in the remaining 4 years.

Depending on what happens to corporate tax rates in the interim, the business could pay more or less taxes in the long run. But, if they stay the same (and the business's average tax rate remains the same), there is no net reduction in taxes.

8 posted on 09/07/2010 10:36:30 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Nachum
Cars -- Cash for Clunkers, for a limited time.
Housing -- $8000 tax credit for limited time.
Business -- tax write-off, through 2011.

It's all smoke and mirrors. It's all "how can I look good for the next few months"? The man has no concept of deep changes that really grow an economy.

9 posted on 09/07/2010 10:36:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Nachum

I’d rather see the voters write off Obama!


10 posted on 09/07/2010 10:37:36 AM PDT by G Larry (I'd rather see the voters write off Obama!)
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To: Nachum

LOL!

Tax breaks for the rich?!?
How will that resonate with the class warfare theme that has soaked much of his voting base?


11 posted on 09/07/2010 10:37:39 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Nachum

Rather then manufcature phoney tax credit gimmiacks, just cut the tax rates instead


12 posted on 09/07/2010 10:37:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Nachum
What a clueless twit.

This is even worse than his plan to make loans available for small businesses to meet their payrolls.

13 posted on 09/07/2010 10:38:48 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't skipper a boat, Can't drive, Can't ski, Can't fly. But they KNOW what's best.)
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To: Nachum
I should have read the article first:

It would cost an estimated $200 billion in revenues, though the ultimate net loss would be $30 billion over 10 years, administration officials say, since businesses would eventually deduct the depreciated value of the equipment in any case.

I presume the projected $30 billion reduction over 10 years is the interest on the money that the government would have to borrow to fill the gap until they get the revenue from future tax receipts.

14 posted on 09/07/2010 10:39:58 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: MNJohnnie
Rather then manufcature phoney tax credit gimmiacks, just cut the tax rates instead

BINGO! Beat me to this comment.

15 posted on 09/07/2010 10:41:13 AM PDT by Marathoner (865 days until Obama leaves office. Can the republic survive?)
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To: Nachum

What Zero will not tell you is that these TCs are for his targeted industries, like “green” businesses. Will not pass.


16 posted on 09/07/2010 10:42:16 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: frogjerk

That is the best advice!


17 posted on 09/07/2010 10:43:10 AM PDT by malia
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To: Nachum

Hmmmmm indeed. Is it a serious effort on the part of Obama? Or is he floating it out there expecting the Republicans to shoot it down so he can make a campaign issue of it?


18 posted on 09/07/2010 10:44:49 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Nachum

BIG desperation. It is a pure vapor ware lie. it has ZERO chance of passing and is just an election lie for the weak walleted.


19 posted on 09/07/2010 10:48:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Nachum

This is more rhetoric over substance. These “breaks” will no doubt require compliance with strict government restrictions as to what type of equipment can be depreciated on this schedule. Why bother buying new equipment if there is no demand for a service or product. Furthermore, anything saved form depreciation will be eaten up by higher income, capital gains and health care taxes so why would business take the risk? To help do their share, hire workers and pay more in taxes? Right. This type of “bait and switch” happened with electronic medical records. Medical providers were promised rebates for buying electronic record systems but the requirement were so stringent that almost no one got the benefit.
This is just a way to say to the drone base and moderate Dims that he is really trying to help business. And when business does not respond, he will blame them for being greedy capitalist hoarders.


20 posted on 09/07/2010 10:49:31 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Nachum

I like this idea since I’m self-employed.


21 posted on 09/07/2010 10:51:14 AM PDT by Lou Budvis (Refudiate 0bama '12)
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To: Nachum

Rush has mentioned this before and I think it bears repeating:

Why do the Dems always give tax cuts/breaks/credits when they want new businesses in their areas? They’re always so anti-tax, until they want growth, then they love to give tax breaks! Anyone see the irony here? Why aren’t they called out on it?


22 posted on 09/07/2010 10:52:31 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Marty62

Indeed - and “propose before the elections” is far different from “pass and sign after the elections”

I’d rather have a new Congress that would do better, smarter things, Barry...


23 posted on 09/07/2010 10:52:54 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Nachum
A write off for capital equipment you don't need (no customers with money) and can't purchase (no lines of credit available). A big company like PacBell used equipment depreciation as a way to move revenues from the tax column back into an account to purchase new capital assets. It takes a big capital base to leverage that technique. The typical small business derives little advantage.

Extend the Bush tax cuts. Reduce tax rates further. Repeal Obamacare. That would pull the uncertainty off the horizon. As long as higher taxes and Obamacare are on the way, consumers will hold on to their money and businesses will have to reason to hire. People worried about just maintaining a job aren't going to commit to large purchases.

24 posted on 09/07/2010 10:54:29 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Nachum

Just for a year so the numbers look better, then comes the income tax and oil tax and all the other taxes. No thanks, Bark Obama.


25 posted on 09/07/2010 10:55:43 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Non-Sequitur
If the GOP leadership was smart it would produce it OWN alternative bill and say “we agree with the President tax cuts are desperately needed to spur on the economy, however his bill doesn't do nearly enough, here is what we would do”.

The GOP loses when it lets the Dems set the debate in terms of with or against. Instead they should copy what Gingrich and the GOP did running up to the 1994 elections. Gingrich et al made sure every Democrat bill was mirrored by a GOP alternative. That forced the debate to be on WHICH set of ideas was better.

26 posted on 09/07/2010 10:56:51 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Nachum

So they write off 100% this year. What happens next year when they have no deductions at all?


27 posted on 09/07/2010 10:57:51 AM PDT by Terry Mross (o)
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To: Nachum

The stuff business will buy from China?


28 posted on 09/07/2010 11:13:45 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: justlurking
Very good post. If they really want to create a true tax cut related to equipment purchases, they should permit businesses to write off more than 100% of the value of the equipment.

What's being proposed here, as you've pointed out, isn't really a "tax cut" at all.

29 posted on 09/07/2010 11:26:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Nachum

not a bad concept, but he is talking about a short duration “quick hit” of capital spending. Will only shift future purchases ahead in the calendar and leave us twice as slow down the road, just like Cash for Clunkers and the homebuyer credit.


30 posted on 09/07/2010 11:35:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Nachum
At the same time he is proposing a $50 billion "infrastructure" infusion and "help" for underwater mortgages.

This mixed-bag effort is garbage.

31 posted on 09/07/2010 11:38:47 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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