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Long Island Man Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 (Axe To Grind Alert!)
CBS New York ^ | 09/07/2010 | CBS New York

Posted on 09/07/2010 5:02:01 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

UNIONDALE, N.Y. (CBS 2) — He was arrested for protecting his property and family.

But it’s how the Long Island man did it that police say crossed the line.

He got an AK-47 assault rifle, pulled the trigger and he ended up in jail, reports CBS 2’s Pablo Guzman.

George Grier said he had to use his rifle on Sunday night to stop what he thought was going to be an invasion of his Uniondale home by a gang he thought might have been the vicious “MS-13.” He said the whole deal happened as he was about to drive his cousin home.

“I went around and went into the house, ran upstairs and told my wife to call the police. I get the gun and I go outside and I come into the doorway and now, by this time, they are in the driveway, back here near the house. I tell them, you know, ‘Can you please leave?’ Grier said.

Grier said the five men dared him to use the gun; and that their shouts brought another larger group of gang members in front of his house. “He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’ So when he says that, 20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.

Grier was later arrested. John Lewis is Grier’s attorney. “What he’s initially charged with – A D felony reckless endangerment — requires a depraved indifference to human life, creating a risk that someone’s going to die. Shooting into a lawn doesn’t create a risk of anybody dying,” Lewis said.

Grier said he knew Nassau County Police employ the hi-tech “ShotSpotter” technology in his area and that the shooting would bring police in minutes. Cops told Guzman he was very cooperative.

Grier also said he was afraid the gang outside his house was the dreaded MS-13. And Nassau County Police Lt. Andrew Mulraine, head of the gang unit, said MS-13 has 2,000 members in the county.

“They’re probably the most organized. They almost have a military hierarchy within the gang, so they are the most organized gang we encounter on a daily basis,” Mulraine said.

You may think a person has the right to defend their home. But the law says you can only use physical force to deter physical force. Grier said he never saw anyone pull out a gun, so a court would have to decide on firing the gun.

Police determined Grier had the gun legally. He has no criminal record. And so he was not charged for the weapon. That ShotSpotter technology pinpoints where a gun has been fired within 35 feet. Police said it also detected two other shootings in nearby Roosevelt that night.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; donutwatch; ms13; rkba
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1 posted on 09/07/2010 5:02:02 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Problems with ROE?


2 posted on 09/07/2010 5:04:58 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

If a free citizen cannot be allowed to possess a fully-functional AK 47, then he is not a free citizen.


3 posted on 09/07/2010 5:05:02 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Gee, if they were going to charge the guy with a felony, the least they could have done was shot his dog.

/s

4 posted on 09/07/2010 5:06:45 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I don’t doubt something happened but the whole thing sounds kind of far-fetched. Seems some details were left out like why was this homeowner targeted in the first place?


5 posted on 09/07/2010 5:06:45 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: James C. Bennett

You lost your country in Nov 2008 and every TV network and TV channel support him and Islam. My only hop is MS-13 decides to invade the Hamptons.


6 posted on 09/07/2010 5:06:55 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I think tea partiers should get involved in things like this.


7 posted on 09/07/2010 5:07:05 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“AK-47...When you positively, absolutely, have to kill every mutha——er in the room!” — Samuel L. Jackson from the movie “Jackie Brown.”


8 posted on 09/07/2010 5:08:04 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I doubt he had an AK auto. MSM lying again.


9 posted on 09/07/2010 5:08:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
How can one use equal force when you have a 30 to 1 type of situation. It is ludicrous to think that one person is going to fight off 30 other people at one time.
10 posted on 09/07/2010 5:08:54 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Frantzie
My only hope is MS-13 decides to invade the Hamptons.

They are already there, and have been for years now. Its just that the Southhampton and East Hampton police keep them out of the celebutards hair during the summer months.

11 posted on 09/07/2010 5:09:10 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Long Island is a mess. NY Gun laws are a mess. Shots into the ground was the problem. Don’t bring it out if you ain’t gonna use it.
New York has no “Castle” laws. You must retreat, even from inside your own home. The criminals, both political and judicial rule the roost. This guy will fry unless he gets real help.
Not a good case to challenge existing NY gun laws nor for the Tea Partiers to get up in arms about (pun-intended).
Like the previous poster mentioned, there has to be more to this story . . .


12 posted on 09/07/2010 5:13:55 PM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: All

Christ, I wish people would think tactically.

You cannot possibly own the ground outside with multiple subjects from multiple angles. But let them come inside the house to get you, stack them in a hallway or on a staircase.

You are also much more legally covered. A guy walking up on your grass, trespassing. A guy walking into your door, home invasion and very, very hard to prosecute criminally.

Shoot up your own house, no big deal. Put rounds downrange throughout the neighborhood, bad juju.


13 posted on 09/07/2010 5:19:04 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The rules of engagement are a little different in Texas. I received this piece of advice if you fire a weapon that attracts the attention of the police and someone is dead. .

Lay the weapon down and stand away from it with hands exposed and immediately comply with the officers instructions when they arrive. Do not run up to them, don't try to "give" the gun to them. Just put it down and stand away from it.

Give your name and address then ask to talk to your attorney and answer no questions. Make sure that you don't say anything other than I thought he/she/they were going to kill me and do NOT ELABORATE. Then just state you no longer want to speak without the benefit of an attorney.

Don't bargain or accept their sympathies or threats. Just be quiet and sit quietly until you are either booked or released.

You must get an attorney if you've shot someone. Hopefully this will never happen to any FReepers, but remember that there are people in jail and have been civilly sued because of statements made in fear, excitement, anger and relief. I am not an attorney but have had experience with police officers both good and not so good.

They have a similar problem, they have experience with the public both good and not so good.

14 posted on 09/07/2010 5:20:08 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Wait inside until they kick in the door and then shoot to kill. Go through as many wallets as you can before the police arrive.


15 posted on 09/07/2010 5:23:22 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Macoozie

Thats why I love Texas, you can now use deadly force in a situation like this to defend your property. Then there is still on the books the after sundown law where you can use legal force. We had a similar situation in Dallas where a good Hispanic man emptied 30 rounds into a car outside his house of gang bangers after dark. He was no-billed by the DA. Not condoning any of this just saying you have a lot more legal choices in Texas.


16 posted on 09/07/2010 5:24:57 PM PDT by pwatson
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
He got an AK-47 assault rifle, pulled the trigger and he ended up in jail, reports CBS 2’s Pablo Guzman.

What does it take to defend ones property lawfully against the unlawful legally, a paintball gun?

17 posted on 09/07/2010 5:27:49 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Paladin2
I doubt he had an AK auto. MSM lying again.

Defending his property against miscreants and HE is the one behind the legal eight ball because of 2nd amendment hair splitting.

A disgusting show of American freedom IMO.

18 posted on 09/07/2010 5:31:50 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

When “ShotSpotter” technology is employed in your area, you know it’s probably time to move.


19 posted on 09/07/2010 5:32:23 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: pwatson

by the way under the law there is no such thing as a warning shot. Once you fire a gun you no longer have control of that round and its considered deadly. Something all hunters should be taught never fire unless you know what is behind your target and where a missed bullet will end up. I have not fired great shots I had at deer when I was not sure of the ability of the the bullet to go over a hill or into someplace I was not sure of. Thats why a shot gun is better in an urban attack like this. you have a lot less chance of shooting your neighbors kid in bed with a shotgun pellet than a supersonic rifle bullet.


20 posted on 09/07/2010 5:35:06 PM PDT by pwatson
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21 posted on 09/07/2010 5:35:15 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Not to worry..........soon the police will not respond to these calls and with the rat politicians disarming the law abiding civilian population thru legislation and regulation you might as well kiss your a## goodbye


22 posted on 09/07/2010 5:38:27 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (We are our founding fathers keepers)
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To: jmacusa

The only thing you have to do to attract attention from MS-13 is stare at one for a microsecond to long. In this case I think the cousin is the key.


23 posted on 09/07/2010 5:39:08 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

A guy who say’s to a man holding an AK47, you havent the nerve to shoot is one crazy gangbanger.

Well the guy got charged, but he is alive. Thanks to his weapon.


24 posted on 09/07/2010 5:39:17 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Despicable.

A man, protecting his wife, children, and home - after being threatened verbally with death by 20 gang members, is the one charged by the police.

This country has become a farce.

Meanwhile, the Federal Government won't enforce its own immigration laws, and sues the one state that at least attempts to find out who is even here illegally!

25 posted on 09/07/2010 5:42:29 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Molon Labbie

Good post.


26 posted on 09/07/2010 5:47:02 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Does someone have that picture of the media's "gun recognition" problem (i.e. every gun to them is an AK-47?)

In the meantime....


27 posted on 09/07/2010 5:49:29 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: OneWingedShark

That’s the one....


28 posted on 09/07/2010 5:50:17 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Among the places where I would never live Long Island comes immediately to mind.


29 posted on 09/07/2010 5:50:52 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Dick Vomer
I don't know who you think you are, but threads like this are for arrogant, chest thumping bullies to spew ridiculous generalizations, hyperbole, and threats.

Please take your courteous and valuable advice somewhere else.

30 posted on 09/07/2010 5:55:50 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: Paladin2

31 posted on 09/07/2010 5:56:21 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: Dick Vomer

That’s good common sense whatever state you find yourself in.


32 posted on 09/07/2010 5:59:06 PM PDT by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
It sounds to me like he deserves one of those "courageous restraint" medals. If he was really assaulted by that many gang bangers he had some strong nerves to fire warning shots instead of "dead where you stand" shots.

We all know the cops won't be there if they come back and they will probably come back.

33 posted on 09/07/2010 6:01:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Paladin2
I doubt he had an AK auto. MSM lying again.

Nowhere in the article do I see the word "auto" or "automatic" used to describe the weapon.
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34 posted on 09/07/2010 6:01:40 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The extravagance of his hype is matched by the inadequacy of his performance.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I think you should let the bad guys get one of your kids, or your wife, before you even think about discharging your weapon. That is, if you want to avoid prosecution.


35 posted on 09/07/2010 6:03:46 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Grier said the five men dared him to use the gun; and that their shouts brought another larger group of gang members in front of his house. “He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’

Firing some warning shots into the ground under these circumstances constitutes a “Depraved indifference to human life? “

It would have been a depraved indifference to the safety of his family if Mr Lewis’s had not done at least that.


36 posted on 09/07/2010 6:18:58 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Castlebar; Dick Vomer
Wassamatter cupcake...somebody pee in your granola crunchy this morning?

Mr. Vomers advice is sound, intelligent, could prevent a tense situation from escalating and save a life or lives. Those are good things.

Perhaps you directed your comment to the wrong person?
37 posted on 09/07/2010 6:21:28 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Preview of coming attractions. Use of firepower against vicious MS-13 gang members is completely justified in the “castle defense” doctrine. The safe world most of us knew as children is gone completely. Now it is defend yourself with sufficient firepower to save yourself and your home from invasion.

We will be learning of these types of stories almost everywhere since our federal government has surrendered control of our borders to masses of illegal criminals invading our country. Buy an AK47 before the authorities outlaw the weapon.


38 posted on 09/07/2010 6:22:27 PM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: Castlebar

My apologies...I completely mis-read your intentions.

It is I who need to sharpen up a bit. More coffee please.


39 posted on 09/07/2010 6:23:25 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Paladin2
Wouldn't a AK 47 be illegal? He probably had an SK 47.
40 posted on 09/07/2010 6:24:37 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (Gus the Scotty dog likes cheese!)
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To: James C. Bennett
The rifles the cops and press call "AK47s" aren't, they are semi auto look alike clones.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone wanting to own one, it does not indicate terrorist or criminal tendencies.

An AK47 is full auto and so highly regulated by the feds as to be next to impossible to own.

41 posted on 09/07/2010 6:28:06 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: Dick Vomer

Great advice and this is exactly what we were taught in our CHL class in TX. I even signed up with an attorney at $15 or so per month so I’ll have someone to call immediately in the unlikely event this ever happens.


42 posted on 09/07/2010 6:32:49 PM PDT by weef
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To: Tainan

No problem! (I never use sarcasm tags.)


43 posted on 09/07/2010 7:10:25 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: TigersEye
We all know the cops won't be there if they come back and they will probably come back.

and since hes unarmed fer sure, and possibly in lock-up as well, heres hoping that he and the mrs bought his & hers rifles...or that they have some family and friends to pull watch...

44 posted on 09/07/2010 8:14:10 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3

Assuming this story is as it is presented in the article then, unfortunately, the smartest thing for his family would be to get out and stay somewhere else for a while. Retreat stinks but who is prepared to take on thugs like that without the man of the house and probably no serious weapons?


45 posted on 09/07/2010 8:45:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Castlebar

Don’t sprain your arm patting yourself on the back. lol


46 posted on 09/07/2010 8:52:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: jmacusa
Seems some details were left out like why was this homeowner targeted in the first place?

Maybe he cut them off in traffic. I was making a perfectly legal right turn onto an Albuquerque boulevard one day and it conflicted with an illegal u-turn being made by the driver of a car full of gang bangers. I didn't yield to them which cut him off and forced him to hit the brakes and fall in behind my truck.

That really made them mad and they followed me several blocks taunting me to pull over. They even drove up into a parking lot parallel to the street to try and get ahead of me on the right side of me.

47 posted on 09/07/2010 9:00:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Molon Labbie
Christ, I wish people would think tactically.

Okay.

The house is flammable.

Wait, you meant as the home owner...

48 posted on 09/07/2010 9:16:34 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: jmacusa
"Seems some details were left out like why was this homeowner targeted in the first place?"

If you look too long at any of these thugs, you become a target. They will use any excuse to cause harm to another.

49 posted on 09/08/2010 7:37:16 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a second chance.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour; All

This man will be on Fox news within the hour.


50 posted on 09/08/2010 8:00:08 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a second chance.)
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