The Koran and Other Burning Issues

The Washington Times ^ | September 8, 2010 | Editorial

[Abakumov]

Those who are upset over the plan by the Dove World Outreach Center to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11 now know how the opponents of the Ground Zero Mosque feel. Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do, whether it's destroying books or profaning the sacred space of Ground Zero with a mega-mosque....

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf - the mastermind of the Ground Zero Mosque - is extending his State Department-subsidized tour of the Gulf region in a "private capacity," no doubt to raise funds from well-heeled Middle Eastern sources. His foreign-financed mosque project is as much a thumb in America's eye as a flaming Koran is for the Muslim world.

[aruanan]

The burn-the-Koran guy is also a burn-Bibles-that-aren’t-KJV guy.

[Crim]

Yeah... well the King James Version is the last version that is a translation from hebrew...

It’s the version I use.

[Darkwolf377]

The burn-the-Koran guy is also a burn-Bibles-that-aren’t-KJV guy.

I didn't know that.

The democrats are no doubt thanking this idiot. He'll be handy in adding to their narrative that all opposition to the mosque and the rise of Islamofascism is just bigotry.

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

Someone on another thread said they were connected somehow to the Westboro Baptist Church.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Yep.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2584978/posts

[Eye of Unk]

I don't give a rats behind who or what started the Burn a Koran Day, I'm frustrated at Islam this, Islam that, having a POTUS defending Islam first and America last. I am fed up, I am angry, and I can perform a simple act, heck all I have to do is just SAY I am going to do it and I know Islam will have a brain fart about it. And supposedly so will Obama King of Muslims of America. Or is he Emperor of Islam now?

[Karliner]

Burn it. Heavens how many Bibles are in Saudi Arabia? Or any Muslim oriented countrie? Bibles are confiscated before entering, tell them unless they honor Israel the right to exist we’ll all burn a Qur’an a day then start working on their secondary explosion mosques. They’ll be in such a flagellating frenzy it would be a perfect time for Israel to fly on over and destroy that reactor in Iran. And maybe, just maybe it’ll get all those Taliban sort revved up they’ll start fighting frontal assults. This may not be a bad thing.

[TomasUSMC]

moslums burn bibles, heck THEY BURN CHURCHES, HECK THEY BURN CHRISTIANS and hang ‘em from a bridge in Fallujah! We sacrifice our troops to try and drag ‘em out of the 7th century..... compare that with burning their stinking koran.....sheeeeite

Ann Coulter was right.

Ok ok, don’t burn the Koran, instead be more green ......use it for toilet paper, THEN BURN IT.

[TigersEye]

Don't anyone hold their breath waiting for the State Dept. or a top general to come out and condemn any of this as putting our troops in danger.

"This war is lost!" - Senator Harry Reid

"And the is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night terrorizing kids and children." - Senator John F'n Kerry

"Shamefully, we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management: U.S. management." - Senator Ted Kennedy

"We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there." - Senator Barack 0bama

"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings," - Senator Dick Durbin

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world? Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?"

Murray said... that bin Laden has been "out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that." - Senator Patty Murray

Obviously an unaffiliated church with 50 members has a lot more influence in the world than U.S. Senators and Congressmen. /s

[eyedigress]

We tell you what you can and cannot desecrate. Stop getting all Wee-Weed Up! We are controlling the message now!

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

Thanks for the link.

[Bogie]

Yeah, free speech means exactly that. Lots of people going to have to give up the phoney appearance they show to the world.

[Smokin' Joe]

While I do not think the mosque should be built near Ground Zero, I do think this is at best a misguided protest.

It is a useless provocation which can be used by Islamists to provoke more ferverent support for their cause.

[caww]

Yep...a nasty hate filled group of people...they are the ones who protested at our soldiers funnerals. Phelps..the head guy.. has been friends with Al Gore for years and helped him raise money for his elections.

That group does not represent Christianity....they are as hate filled as Muslims who burn our flag.

[Bogie]

True, but then, it's only a book. Unless, of course, one lives by the thoughts that are in it. And, then, the book itself doesn’t really matter that much.

[Noob1999]

I believe that the Iraq war was prolonged by years after Lyndee England, Karpinski, and their ilk, pictures came out that mocked the proud Iraqis, showing leashes around their neck, led by some scrawney female soldier.

I believe that the publishing of Mohamhattedwith a bomb in his turban sent these a-holes off into space.

I fear that burning their POS book will do more of the same, and Petreous is right, we don’t need anymore stupid ass nutcases being set off by a book burning.

It’s kinda too bad that there are no more outhouses in the country. Throw away the old Sears catalog, and have a private moment with a call to allah every day, with your koran on a peg by the wooden seated dumper.

[ZULU]

Don’t know much about this church.

The point here is that you can burn an American flag or suspend a crucifix in urine and the free speech fanatics of the left come forward to defend you.

But for some STRANGE REASON, any demonstrations against Islam are suddenly verboten.

Islam is NOT, as Obama, Holder, Muslims and the Left present it, a religion.

Its a political, economic, and social ideology masquerading under the guise of a religion.

It is aggressive, intolerant and seeks to impose a new world order over the entire earth in the form of Sharia Law.

To understand what that means, look at that front page picture of the mutilation of that woman in Time or Newsweek. Read about that poor woman sentenced to 99 lashes in Iran, or stoning. Read about the continuing and vicious persecution of Christian Copts in Egypt, or the enforcement of Islamic customs by Muslim interlopers in Europe - outside national law and through brute force.

Think about a world where dogs, pork, alcohol, dancing, singing, art, or half a hundred other things are banned under ferocious and savage penalties and where women are pieces of property forced to walk in public in body-bags.

THAT is Islam.

Islam is an evil, pernicious plague among us and deserves to be extirpated root and branch like any other form of fascism as fascism it is - the worst in History.

[dagogo redux]

Can SAYING I will burn a Koran be prosecuted as a Hate Crime?

Can saying I think it’s OK to burn a Koran be prosecuted as a hate crime?

Can saying Korans need to be burned be prosecuted as a hate crime?

Can saying it is legal to burn a Koran -but that it may not be the right thing to do - be prosecuted as a hate crime?

Can asking these questions here about burning a Koran be classified as a hate crime?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[sheik yerbouty]

He is the undisputed Master of Disaster; The Ayatollah of All Crapola..

[sheik yerbouty]

I micturate on the sensibilities of TROP; however, I will not paeon them..

[M. Espinola]

Excellent points relating to the Wahhabist Saudis, the murderous Taliban, coupled with Islam's refusal to recogize Israel right to exist as a nation, a nation which does indeed allow mosques, churches, and even Arab-Muslims & communists in the Israeli Knesset.

Another point is how many shuls or churches are allowed in Arabia or under Taliban despotic rule.

Also, these are numerous Islamic sleepers are lurking in America, Canada and the rest of the Western World, ready to following through on future jihadist orders, either Shi'ite or Sunni Wahhabist. The focus should be on deportation, and direct action targeting the OPEC-mega-bankrolled dictatorial exporters of Islamic terrorism against the West and Western troops.

[AdmSmith]

Burning the Quran is not new in Islam. Their 3rd Caliph and the son-in-law of Muhammad, Othman, had burned the 6 out of 7 versions of the Quran, while compiling the version that exist today. After that Muhammad’s child-wife Aisha and his another son-in-law Ali jointly conspired and murdered him for political reasons, a legacy which they inherited from Muhammad. And they justified his murder for burning the Quran.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/on-the-burning-of-the-quran/

Signs in Saudi airports warn Muslim travelers that the airport's mutawwa’in, or religious police, confiscate Korans, other Islamic literature, and Muslim objects of non-Saudi origin. While discriminating specifically against Shiites and Ahmadis, this policy manifests a wider insistence on Wahhabi supremacism.

http://www.meforum.org/pipes/4862/uniting-to-exclude-saudi-arabian-airline

Will these confiscated books be stored or trashed or even burned?

[AdmSmith]

All electronic devices are now required to be submitted for check-up before the immigration section. These include cellular phones with memory cards, flash disks, external hard drives, laptops, ipod and mp3 players.

A special device will be inserted into the electronic devices that will scan all videos, pictures etc. which will be recorded to their main computer. All devices with nude or sexy pictures and similar materials will be immediately confiscated. Laptops with pirated software will also be confiscated.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/middle-east-north-africa/saudi-arabia

[SF_Redux]

I think people are putting too much into the book bnurning, it is only paper and not in short supply ... IMO, it is being used as an excuse for being a coward, afraid to offend

[aruanan]

Yeah... well the King James Version is the last version that is a translation from hebrew...

That's okay as far as Hebrew scholarship went back then and then there's

1. the matter of the NT portion being translated from the inferior Greek apparatus assembled by Erasmus trying to beat others into print with the first Greek NT by using much later manuscripts of more dubious origin as well as back-translating from the Vulgate to Greek to come up with Greek texts he didn't have as well as inventing various Greek words at times,

2. the NT era Jews and Christians used the Septuagint OT not the Masoretic text (interestingly the Christians were so good at gaining converts using the Septuagint that rabbis switched back to the Hebrew text),

3. King James instructions to translators to make sure their translation supported the ecclesiology of the Church of England, and

4. the problem of trying to figure out what in the world 400 year old English means or, even worse, assuming that what you think you're reading is what they thought they were reading 4 centuries ago.

[Karliner]

Thanks but I don't know how smart it is to burn the Qur'an. I say burn it however with so many recent episodes of our military men being murdered by the men they train in Afghanistan this highly publicized stunt will have many we've never seen before rioting in the streets and have probably thousands of our own leaders, editors, left wing "tolerance" queens and of course the wimp house gesticulating madly about such intolerance where if they looked at their hypocritical madness in the mirror they'd be wise to realize they are fulfilling prophecy after prophecy of the Bible.

Islam is not even tolerant of their own people let alone others outside their bloody cult. How many were killed in Tunisia, Egypt/Yemen, Uganda propagated by the PLO( Idi Amin died in Saudi Arabia), Sudan, so many African nations, Indonesia, Iraq/Iran, the Balkan states, Chechnya, the US!!!? The list is endless and yet our country cowers to these worshipers of a moon god and a black rock. It's absolutely appalling. But they've murdered for less, a cartoonist for example.

[Smokin' Joe]

True, but then, it's only a book.

As are the writings of a number of religions which are held to be sacred to the believers therein.

If the Muslims were burning Bibles, there'd be outrage, too.

It is a provocation which only serves to enrage those of that faith who are not yet enraged. In the eyes of those on the fence, it is an act which will 'justify' the rhetoric. It will become a textbook case of 'infidel behaviour' for those seeking to recruit jihadis.

The only possible benefit from this is the exposure of Islamist rage, and we already have seen that with far less blatant provocation.

[Smokin' Joe]

Urine good company, there are many whiz kids around here.

[TomasUSMC]

If the Muslims were burning Bibles, there’d be outrage, too.
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IF? What planet you been on the last thousand years? moslums burn not just bibles but THEY BURN CHRISTIANS....ever heard of Fallujah.

This country is such a pushover even Palin is a wus on this

Go Green, use the Koran as toilet paper THEN BURN IT.

[M. Espinola]

Very good points.

If America had a real President, who would take this elongated war against Islamic terrorism directly to the main funding & training sources, there would not be any talk of burning Qur'ans, since we would be gaining in general victories, which the current elected domestic enemies in the House & Senate do not favour, brazenly reflected in their leftist P/C lexicon, it is strictly forbidden to use 'jihadist', Muslim, or Islamist when addressing Islamic terrorism.

[Karliner]

Well this whole situation just brings us closer to the day the real G!D of the Bible takes His vengeance. Sorry to wax maystic on you but it seems to me our country at least the government is reaping what it has sown. Sadly that flows to the individuals, all "we the the people" in a tragic way. I wrote that prior to Obama stating this guy however nutty shouldn't burn the Qur'an; ha ha but he also called an officer stupid, said nothing when Hasan murdered numerous army folks posted at Ft Hood, letting the Imam go free, oh so many maddening statements including orders from on high the new Black Panthers get a pass. He's been bowing and swinging arm in arm with the muslim folks in an incredibly strange way then drops millions to hamas and abortion clinics; this country has turned upside-down.

I honestly do not feel our government is serving we the people and do not think burning a Qur'an is a big deal. our own DoD has just burned thousands of Bibles, and muslims nations trash bibles daily, so screw them. They started thios "holy" war, someone has to finish it or G!D will.

[Bogie]

Yes, agreed, but is the problem genuine religion or some sort of tribalism? In the case of genuine religion the person lives according to the rules out of love for his fellow man. Whereas in the case of tribalism the group is manipulated and held together with the "us against them" mentality.

In any case it is the real human beings that should matter and not the book.