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California regulators seek up to $9.9 billion in fines from PacifiCare
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 7th 2010 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 09/07/2010 10:36:43 PM PDT by Cardhu

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To: Frantzie
Balancing the budget through more theft.

That's what I read.

21 posted on 09/08/2010 7:41:18 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Cardhu

So which big GOP donor runs this outfit?


22 posted on 09/08/2010 7:46:18 AM PDT by csmusaret (The Obama/Pelosi/Reid Cartel has saddled each of my grandchildren with a $44,000 debt.)
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To: Cardhu

“[Pacificare] repeatedly mismanaged medical claims, lost thousands of patient documents, failed to pay doctors what they were owed and ignored calls to fix the problems. ..... This is about intentional disregard for the interests of doctors, hospitals and patients”

Well, I had PacifCare for a few years, and this was indeed par for the course. Now I have Cigna and basically the same thing. As for as I can tell, they all operate like this. It’s all deliberately hardcopy based, resulting in the maximum number of errors, lost documents, etc. The really curious thing, though, is that the errors are ALWAYS in the insurance company’s favor.

In “The Rainmaker” based on John Grisham’s book, the crooked insurance company “Great Benefit” was shown to have automatically denied ALL claims the first time by policy. Well, let me tell you something, they ALL do this, particularly if you self-file as a consequence of going out of network. They’re simply counting on you being too sick and/or too ignorant to put up a fight, and unfortunately it works.

Quite frankly, I’m glad to see someone address this issue. Maybe if Pacificare is taken to task, the rest of them will have the fear of god put in them!


23 posted on 09/08/2010 8:01:28 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: CriticalJ
It looks like the company did some things wrong and should be fined, but 9 billions dollars?

From the article:

...the California Department of Insurance says PacifiCare violated state law nearly 1 million times...

That comes to about $9,900 per violation.
24 posted on 09/08/2010 8:05:05 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Cardhu
failed to pay doctors what they were owed

So the docs can expect that check any day now right?

This from a state that routinely cheats doc's out of payment from Medical....
25 posted on 09/08/2010 8:08:13 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Cardhu
Establish a $9.9Bn "slush fund" to add to BP's $20Bn.

Or maybe United Health Group can just file C-7 and put everyone on Obamacare!

26 posted on 09/08/2010 9:24:48 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Frantzie

What you said.


27 posted on 09/08/2010 10:07:08 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Cardhu

Is PacifiCare the non-profit insurance out there?


28 posted on 09/08/2010 11:14:54 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Tzimisce

Re: “Is PacifiCare the non-profit insurance out there?”

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Not positive, but I’m pretty sure PacifiCare is FOR profit — Blue Shield of CA is still not for profit........ and I think they are the best of the bunch, if there is a ‘best.’


29 posted on 09/08/2010 12:21:22 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: Tzimisce; South40; catnipman; Kozak; wac3rd; CriticalJ; VeniVidiVici; DTogo
Is PacifiCare the non-profit insurance out there?

Yes long ago :

PacifiCare was founded as a nonprofit corporation by Samuel J. Tibbitts of the Lutheran Hospital Society of Southern California in 1975 and became a federally qualified health maintenance organization (HMO) three years later.

In 2009 Claims denial rates by leading California insurers, first six months of 2009:

· PacifiCare -- 39.6 percent
· Cigna -- 32.7 percent
· HealthNet -- 30 percent
· Kaiser Permanente -- 28.3 percent
· Blue Cross -- 27.9 percent
· Aetna -- 6.4 percen

"Every claim that is denied represents a real patient enduring pain and suffering. Every denial has real, sometimes fatal consequences," said Burger.

PacifiCare, for example, denied a special procedure for treatment of bone cancer for Nick Colombo, a 17-year-old teen from Placentia, Calif. Again, after protests organized by Nick's family and friends, CNA/NNOC, and netroots activists, PacifiCare reversed its decision. But like Nataline Sarkisyan, the delay resulted in critical time lost, and Nick ultimately died. "This was his last effort and the procedure had worked before with people in Nick's situation," said his older brother Ricky.

Cigna gained notoriety two years ago for denying a liver transplant to 17-year-old Nataline Sarkisyan of Northridge, Calif. and then reversing itself, tragically too late to save her life.

In 2008, six days before RN Kim Kutcher of Dana Point, Calif., was scheduled to have special back surgery, Blue Cross denied authorization for the procedure as "investigational" even though the lumbar artificial disc she was to receive had FDA approval. At the time of denial, which she calls "insurance hell," Kutcher had "already gone through pre-op testing, donated a unit of blood, had appointments with four physicians." Kutcher paid $60,000 out of pocket for the operation and is still fighting Blue Cross.

Rejection of care is a very lucrative business for the insurance giants. The top 18 insurance giants racked up $15.9 billion in profits last year.

"The routine denial of care by private insurers is like the elephant in the room no one in the present national healthcare debate seems to want to talk about," Burger said. "Nothing in any of the major bills advancing in the Senate or House or proposed by the administration would challenge this practice."

“The United States remains the only country in the industrialized world where human lives are sacrificed for private profit, a national disgrace that seems on the verge of perpetuation," she said.

"At the heart of this case is the $9.2-billion deal that put PacifiCare under the wing of UnitedHealth Group, an insurance behemoth based near Minneapolis that now has 25 million policyholders in 50 states and had $81 billion in revenue last year."

30 posted on 09/08/2010 12:28:59 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

so PacifiCare denies 40% of claims and Aetna less than 7% and we’re supposed to feel bad for Pacifiripoff?

Maybe CA shouldn’t get the money, but Pacifiripoff definitely needs to be taken to task.


31 posted on 09/08/2010 8:29:45 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Cardhu
I don't pretend to know all the details of this issue but 9.9 Billion is a lot of the money. Knowing that California has a serious budget deficit it appears as though California is attempting to balance the budget suing a private company.

What California will do when all the private companies have left the state due to the oppressive policies of the state?

32 posted on 09/08/2010 9:42:02 PM PDT by reader25
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To: ShadowAce

“That comes to about $9,900 per violation. “

Is that in line with fines for other violations by other insurance companies?

Does CA usually fine per violation or group them and reduce the fine under normal circumstances?

Regardless, it looks like it was a crummy company.


33 posted on 09/09/2010 4:02:16 AM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: CriticalJ
Is that in line with fines for other violations by other insurance companies?

That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that. However, I threw that number out there to try to put it in some perspective. It may still be outrageous--I don't know.

34 posted on 09/09/2010 7:30:16 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

“That’s a good question. I don’t know the answer to that. However, I threw that number out there to try to put it in some perspective. It may still be outrageous—I don’t know. “

Ah well, we’ll probably find out more as the situation progresses.

Regardless, one has to wonder why in the hell it took CA so long to act. The fact that it is 9.9 billion dollar fine means they took way too long to act.

It would be interesting to see where the political contributions of these insurance companies went.


35 posted on 09/10/2010 3:39:17 AM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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