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Long Island Man Arrested For Defending Home ...30 "gang bangers attacked"
CBS ^ | 9/7/2010 | CBS

Posted on 09/08/2010 6:49:41 AM PDT by mikelets456

UNIONDALE, N.Y. (CBS 2) — He was arrested for protecting his property and family.

But it’s how the Long Island man did it that police say crossed the line.

He got an AK-47 assault rifle, pulled the trigger and he ended up in jail, reports CBS 2’s Pablo Guzman.

George Grier said he had to use his rifle on Sunday night to stop what he thought was going to be an invasion of his Uniondale home by a gang he thought might have been the vicious “MS-13.” He said the whole deal happened as he was about to drive his cousin home.

“I went around and went into the house, ran upstairs and told my wife to call the police. I get the gun and I go outside and I come into the doorway and now, by this time, they are in the driveway, back here near the house. I tell them, you know, ‘Can you please leave?’ Grier said.

Grier said the five men dared him to use the gun; and that their shouts brought another larger group of gang members in front of his house.

“He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’ So when he says that, 20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: control; gangs; gun; immigration; importingcrime; longisland; ms13; newyork; uniondale

1 posted on 09/08/2010 6:49:44 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: mikelets456

Can the governor pardon people like this?


2 posted on 09/08/2010 6:51:13 AM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: mikelets456

And if this guy and his family were killed, the Police would just round up the usual suspects.


3 posted on 09/08/2010 6:53:24 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: mikelets456

The gang-bangers played this guy. Too bad they didn’t enter his house. Stopping the threat inside is generally more justifiable than warning shots outdoors according to tactical instructors at places like Blackwater Training Center and Gunsite Academy.


4 posted on 09/08/2010 6:54:56 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

Can the governor arrest police for this?


5 posted on 09/08/2010 6:55:07 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: mikelets456
“He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’ So when he says that, 20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.

The threat of physical violence is legal definition of assault. The home owner has the right to defend himself if he reasonably fears for his life or that of his family.

No way this holds up in court,....

...well, OK, in Texas.

6 posted on 09/08/2010 6:56:16 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

I am sure the governor would be more than happy to pardon the gang members.


7 posted on 09/08/2010 6:57:15 AM PDT by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: mikelets456

How terrible for this guy—for protecting himself and his family. What a bunch of criminal thugs running that cesspit.

It is the tradition that a Kentuckian never runs. He does not have to...he is not obligated to retreat, nor to consider whether he can safely retreat, but is entitled to stand his ground, and meet any (life-threatening) attack made upon him with a deadly weapon... Kentucky Court of Appeals. Gibson v. Commonwealth, 34 SW 936 (Ky. 1931


8 posted on 09/08/2010 6:58:44 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

Yes, the Governor can pardon any state offense. I have always thought that the governor of Texas should mobilize the Texas Rangers and send them down to the border (with Governor Pardoned immunity) to clean up the border. Yes, the Governor can pardon and grant immunity.


9 posted on 09/08/2010 7:01:23 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("Repeal ObamaCare")
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To: mikelets456

He will have his day in court,let’s hope Americans are on the jury I myself would fight for this guy to be found innocent,This has went way way past what we knew as Our country of the 50’s.


10 posted on 09/08/2010 7:03:10 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: mikelets456

Time to move states.


11 posted on 09/08/2010 7:11:32 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Stimulus. 0bamaCare. Cap and Tax. 9/11 Victory Mosque. TARP. Amnesty. Summer of Recovery.)
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To: mikelets456

Another example that you should never, ever, talk to the cops without consulting a lawyer.


12 posted on 09/08/2010 7:15:25 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: mikelets456

I know you could refer to Uniondale as being in Queens, but I am surprise to see this level of gang activity on Long Island.

Glad I am not in New York any more.


13 posted on 09/08/2010 7:20:58 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: mikelets456

NY is none-too-friendly to people defending themselves... Just ask Bernie Goetz...


14 posted on 09/08/2010 7:22:20 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: mikelets456
CBS does it once again. The CORRECT headline was - "Long Island Man Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47". But that's not why he was arrested. The article plainly states this.

He was arrested for firing warning shots into his lawn. Initially he's been charged with felony reckless endangerment.

From the article, he wasn't "attacked". A bunch of guys showed up in his driveway, but the article mentions nothing about an "attack".

I sort of hate to say this, but the dumb ass shouldn't have fired warning shots. He shouldn't have brandished the weapon either. He lost an amazing tactical advantage by going OUTSIDE and brandishing it, and he crossed the law when he fired warning shots. Most populated areas have ordinances prohibiting the discharge of firearms, much less firing in the DIRECTION of an individual when there's no clear deadly threat.

As much as it seems "illogical", he should have stayed in the house, WITH the AK and a bunch of spare mags and waited for LEO to arrive. If somebody started coming in, then the rules change. But he made a mistake and got arrested for it.

The See B.S. headline is misleading.
15 posted on 09/08/2010 7:25:01 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Uncle Miltie
As someone with a concealed carry license, the laws governing the use of deadly force have little to do with either common sense or justice. What is worse is that they are different from place to place.

In some jurisdictions one has an “obligation to retreat” from a fight. In other places the castle doctrine allows one to stand their ground. However, generally the firing of a “warning shot” or shooting someone to “wing” them or wound and not kill, is a confession of violating the law. While there may be moral and ethical reasons to do so, most of the time there are no legal reasons.

If deadly force is required then you must shoot to kill. If you shoot to wound or fire a warning shot, that just proves that deadly force was not required. So even if a gang is shouting at you that they are going to kill you and your babies, the question is are you afraid for your life and have not reasonable choice, but to use deadly force to protect your life or the life/safety of another?

The homeowner would have had a better chance of staying out of jail if he had yelled at the top of his lungs that he was afraid for his life (a dozen times), taken several short steps back to prove he had “retreated” from the confrontation, then shot a dozen or so of the gang members.

The LAW has little to do with either common sense or justice, it is about rules and technicalities. If you own a firearm, you better learn the rules and technicalities or be prepared to go to jail, when you violate the LAW.

Sad, but that is the way things are in our lawyer dominated country. The home owner also brandished his weapon, when the "gang members" had no visible weapons, which in most situations nullifies a claim of self dense and makes the homeowner the person who escalated the confrontation to the deadly force level. The homeowner did many common sense things, but unfortunately violated so many laws that the he will spend lots of time in jail, unless a jury nullifies the LAW. Judges really hate that.

16 posted on 09/08/2010 7:26:09 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: TheBattman

Shooting a gang member should be a ten-dollar fine, you can mail it in.


17 posted on 09/08/2010 7:27:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mikelets456

What a pathetic sh*thole NY has become.


18 posted on 09/08/2010 7:29:52 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: 12Gauge687

Unfortunately when approached by a large number of individuals, such as was the situation in this case, awaiting for entry into the home to fire would have been far too late for this gentleman and his family.

He should have killed as many as he could have in my opinion.


19 posted on 09/08/2010 7:31:30 AM PDT by montyspython
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To: dfwgator

It should be a $10 credit.


20 posted on 09/08/2010 7:32:17 AM PDT by montyspython
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To: The_Victor

God bless Texas.... !!


21 posted on 09/08/2010 7:45:38 AM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: montyspython

Well there is the cost of cleanup and sending them to the morgue.


22 posted on 09/08/2010 7:45:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

“Can the governor pardon people like this?”

Our “governor” is the despicable Patterson.


23 posted on 09/08/2010 7:45:54 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: dfwgator

This could be covered by the Stimulus bill, qualifies as one of Obama’s shovel ready projects.


24 posted on 09/08/2010 7:48:42 AM PDT by montyspython
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To: razorback-bert

From what I’m told parts of Long Island are now a human cesspool.


25 posted on 09/08/2010 7:50:22 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: mikelets456

The man defending his home should get a medal for defending himself against that scum.

If only he had killed them all. If he had, he should’ve been awarded a cash prize!


26 posted on 09/08/2010 7:58:42 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: Peter from Rutland

The last time I looked at an AK47 at a gun show, the price was $15K, and that was probably a decade ago. A few years later I bought the semi auto version with a couple of spare 30 round mags for something like $200.

I’d take long odds that he didn’t have an AK, but that’s just me.

With 30 gang members threatening to kill me and mine, I don’t think I’d waste time on warning shots: I’ve only one round per person without reloading. The threat has been made and they have the means to carry it out, so what other option do I have to protect our lives?


27 posted on 09/08/2010 7:59:58 AM PDT by benewton (I)
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To: razorback-bert

Uniondale is near East Meadow and Hempstead. My guess is the gangs migrated out of Hempstead.

I lived in uniondale for a short time. I got out of there asap.


28 posted on 09/08/2010 8:01:14 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: dfwgator

*Shooting a gang member should be a ten-dollar fine, you can mail it in.*

It should be a $100 reward, presented by the mayor....


29 posted on 09/08/2010 8:03:09 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: dfwgator

*Well there is the cost of cleanup and sending them to the morgue.*

Bullets for the gun: $4.87
Clean up and trip to the morgue: $2750
Getting rid of 30 gang members: Priceless


30 posted on 09/08/2010 8:05:42 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: Robert357

I come from LI. You seem to know a lot about the law there, are you involved in that regard?

I can tell you in the area where I lived on LI, the police can show up in a matter of a couple of minutes. They are very fast there. So if you have the time to go outside, and fire warning shots, the POV of the jury might be that you didn’t conduct yourself properly.

Years ago a friend and I were on the porch and heard a woman scream. (On LI) We called the cops, and I swear they were there in 60 seconds. So even conservative Long Islanders may be a little more intolerant of situations like this.

Where I live now you can wait hours for police to arrive. So juries are much more likely to side with the homeowner.


31 posted on 09/08/2010 8:08:52 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: mikelets456

Firing “warning shots” are illegal in most states.


32 posted on 09/08/2010 8:14:18 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (0bama, I'll stop calling you a dog when you stop treating us like a fire hydrant (Palin/Cheney 2012)
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To: mikelets456

His REAL transgression—threatening to remove democrat voters and the eventual breeders of democrat voters from the population. That is the MOST unforgivable of crimes in New York.


33 posted on 09/08/2010 8:42:11 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: mikelets456
He said the whole deal happened as he was about to drive his cousin home.

Don't they ever check grammar any more? I think the proper ebonics here is "he cousin home."

34 posted on 09/08/2010 8:50:45 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: dfwgator

Shooting a gang member should be a ten-dollar fine, you can mail it in.”

No— Shooting a gang member should be a minimum $100 bounty. You can collect in any manner you chose.

Sorta like the ears/paws of fox that got me a bounty when I was a kid. Made the chickens happier, also.


35 posted on 09/08/2010 9:49:24 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: mikelets456

If I’m ever surrounded by a group gangbangers threatening my family’s life, I can guaran-damn-tee it will be on the 6:00 news.


36 posted on 09/08/2010 11:13:59 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: I still care
I come from LI. You seem to know a lot about the law there, are you involved in that regard?

I can tell you in the area where I lived on LI, the police can show up in a matter of a couple of minutes. They are very fast there. So if you have the time to go outside, and fire warning shots, the POV of the jury might be that you didn’t conduct yourself properly.

Not involved with law enforcement, but have been involved with shooting sports since I was in Jr High nearly 50 years ago. I am on the west or Left coast. At the range and gun collectors association I belong to we have some strong educational programs on the rights and responsibilities of firearm ownership. The ignorance of the media and Hollywood as to firearms has been a hot topic for many years. It is truly interesting to read local reports saying that police should shoot to wound rather than kill with firearms in their columns and then find out that if a policeman did what the reporter suggested that the policeman would be fired for not following department procedures and that the city/county would likely be subject to a huge civil lawsuit. The use of "deadly force" is a topic that every American should learn about and that every firearm owner should know by heart for the jurisdictions where they live and work.

37 posted on 09/08/2010 12:43:03 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Robert357

Thanks so much. You taught me some today.


38 posted on 09/08/2010 1:06:31 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: Robert357

By the way, in the article it says the owner knew the police would know because of “shot spotter” technology employed by the police in the area, and they detected two shots in nearby Roosevelt (which IS a cesspool) that night.

Does anyone know about this?


39 posted on 09/08/2010 1:11:29 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: dfwgator

With a deduction for the cost of the ammunition plus wear and tear on the firearm...


40 posted on 09/08/2010 10:58:01 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: mikelets456

Never ever fire “warning” shots. Shoot to kill or do not shoot at all. By telling the police that you fired a “warning” shot, you are confessing that you did not feel you or another were in mortal peril; getting there, perhaps, but not yet there. In this man’s case, the “warning” shots should have been fired into the middle of someone’s chest. That would serve to “warn” the others to be someplace else.

(And tactically speaking, he probably should have gone back inside his house. I don’t know if NY has a Castle Doctrine law, but he would have the advantage inside his own home even if he wasn’t legally obligated to retreat. He knows the layout while the goblins don’t. He would also have had incontrovertible proof that his life was in danger.)


41 posted on 09/08/2010 11:11:14 PM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: hiredhand

I saw the guy being interveiwed on Fox.

He said the reason he went back out was because his cousin was still out there.

If his cousin wasn’t out there he would of stayed inside.

FWIW I thought the guy was sincere.


42 posted on 09/08/2010 11:57:01 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: mikelets456

Warning shots are a waste of ammo.


43 posted on 09/09/2010 6:08:26 AM PDT by rfreedom4u ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.")
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