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13 Things Your Child's Teacher Won't Tell You(look at THIS BS)!
SHINE by Yahoo News ^ | Tue Aug 17, 2010 | Interviews by Neena Samuel

Posted on 09/08/2010 9:35:24 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

A look inside a teacher's mind could help you understand lesson plans and maybe even guide your child to perform better.

1. If we teach small children, don’t tell us that our jobs are “so cute” and that you wish you could glue and color all day long.

2. I’m not a marriage counselor. At parent-teacher conferences, let’s stick to Dakota’s progress, not how your husband won’t help you around the house.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: arth; educators; elitism; ivorytower; publicschool; reeducationcenters
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1 posted on 09/08/2010 9:35:26 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

I read that earlier today.

Some of it is valid.

Could someone explain to me why ‘Dakota’ is a kids name now?

I swear I’m going to have another kid just so I can name him Wyoming.


2 posted on 09/08/2010 9:39:25 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t think it’s baloney at all. In fact, it sounds right on to me. Teachers very often are everything to the kids. My best friend teaches in the inner city. I know.


3 posted on 09/08/2010 9:40:01 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: US Navy Vet

Exactly what part of this is BS?


4 posted on 09/08/2010 9:40:47 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I only read the Constitution for the Articles.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Some of these hit home just because so many parents depend on the public screwl system to handle everything.


5 posted on 09/08/2010 9:41:13 AM PDT by albie
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To: US Navy Vet
Many individual teachers mean well and care about children.
The Education Establishment does not mean well, and doe snot care about children.

Defund! End public education! Homeschooling or private education are better options and give parents much more say in what their children learn.

6 posted on 09/08/2010 9:41:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: US Navy Vet

Yes, sports stars make a lot more money than teachers. But there are a lot more people who can teach primary school than there are people with exceptional, professional-level athletic ability.

This article makes teachers seem like ungrateful complainers. Teaching is hard, yes, but they also get a three-month vacation.


7 posted on 09/08/2010 9:43:25 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (my former tagline "We can, and we will prevail" doesn't fit with the usurper's goals.)
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To: US Navy Vet

BAH. END the government monopoly on education NOW!

Public schools should exist to educate the 5% who are the problems, the destitute and the unteachable.

The other 95% should be privately educated or at home.


8 posted on 09/08/2010 9:43:55 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Welcome to "The Hunt for Red November".)
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To: US Navy Vet
"8. Guys who dribble a ball for a couple of hours a game can make up to $20 million a year. We educate future leaders and make about $51,000 a year."

First, there are a LOT of law-school grads that don't even make that the first few years after passing the bar. Plenty of fresh engineers would LOVE to be making $51K, or working AT ALL.

Second, It's called the free-market, sweetheart. If you were 6'9", with long arms, mad hops and a killer J, there would be somebody willing to pay you that kind of scratch. But alas, you aren't.

Instead, you decided to go into a field that requires one of the least demanding degrees, is LOADED with free-time, to include summer's off, and has virtually ZERO risk for poor performance. It's that simple. Unlike the baller - who theoretically has to perform or get get cut (or benched), you get the same old same old, irrespective of how well you do, or don't do your job. This is probably why you also don't want standardized testing.

9 posted on 09/08/2010 9:44:09 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Peter from Rutland
Perhaps the child was conceived in the back of a Dodge Dakota.
10 posted on 09/08/2010 9:44:29 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: US Navy Vet

I’m not sure what part of this is considered to be BS? Personally, I think they are all valid points.


11 posted on 09/08/2010 9:46:24 AM PDT by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: All

I just wanted to add—I guess I just found that line about “no more mugs or frames” really irritating. The article is so cynical.

I’ve never had a bad experience like that. In fact, I wrote a letter to the editor about an amazing thing my daughter’s teacher did last year—she made individual photo albums for all the kids in her class, with pictures from the entire year and a page with all her friends’ signatures. She really went above and beyond, and wrote us a nice thank-you for our gift to her, a bubble bath kit.


12 posted on 09/08/2010 9:46:40 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (my former tagline "We can, and we will prevail" doesn't fit with the usurper's goals.)
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To: US Navy Vet

#9 is the only one I have real problems with. They should neither fulfill these roles nor be expected to do so.


13 posted on 09/08/2010 9:47:05 AM PDT by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I’m a Cubmaster.

Yesterday, a mom wrote me about a private conversation I had with the divorced dad, and his opinion of the new boyfriend.

The dad actually took one of my comments out of context to mess with her ex-wife’s head. Ex-wife, putting the opinion of the boy’s CUBMASTER in high regard, begged me to dish my opinion of the boyfriend, because she was about to take the next step with him.

I got another call at midnight once from the stoned dad of another kid, who lied about the father of another boy in the Pack, telling me he’s running whores out of his house, and dealing drugs. None of it was true, but why a CUBMASTER?

The integrity of the social fabric of this country is in tatters right now, at least in WA state.

Our state has the lowest church attendance rate in the US. I can tell you that its showing.


14 posted on 09/08/2010 9:47:34 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: US Navy Vet

What is BS? I was a teacher and would agree with everything said here.

Earlier this year, a teacher told me that the last two months of school are a complete waste. They spend most of March teaching kids how to take the big state tests in April. April is Test Month and Spring Break,and by then, the school year is basically over! She said there’s no point in beginning major study units in May because of all the end-of-the-year activities. Three months all but lost due to the emphasis placed on standardized testing. Now THAT’s BS!


15 posted on 09/08/2010 9:47:43 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (TheSurvivalMom.com)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m a very big proponent of homeschooling, and I don’t believe the fedgov has any business in “education”, but...

there are kids who have parents who really don’t give a rip about them besides getting a welfare check to support them. All these kids have for a parent is school and their public school teacher.

What do we do with them? I don’t know.


16 posted on 09/08/2010 9:47:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I think the only real issue is #3 - sick of standardized testing.

If the teacher is not a member of the NEA, then its probably a valid point.

But if he/she is a member, then he/she is part of the problems that made standarized testing the first attempt at a solution. Take it up with your union - the one that does everything possible to prevent actual education from happening in the classroom while simultaneously being one of the largest political action groups in the country and then we can talk about standardized testing.


17 posted on 09/08/2010 9:48:20 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Could someone explain to me why ‘Dakota’ is a kids name now?


They couldn’t spell Dodge?


18 posted on 09/08/2010 9:48:32 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

If you’re expecting twins, can you call one South Dakota and the other North Dakota?


19 posted on 09/08/2010 9:51:05 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: US Navy Vet

If schools were still small, neighborhood centers of learning there would be no need for teachers’ unions and all the other distractions that intrude upon this very special relationship: students, teachers & parents.

Are parochial schools still surviving in this chaos?


20 posted on 09/08/2010 9:52:11 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: US Navy Vet
As a teacher, some of these struck home for me.

2. I’m not a marriage counselor. At parent-teacher conferences, let’s stick to Dakota’s progress, not how your husband won’t help you around the house.

In addition, no I can't tell you have to get little Johnny up, nor am I able to call him at 6:30 in the morning to remind you and him to get up.

3. We’re sick of standardized testing and having to “teach to the test.”

You better believe it.

5. When I hear a loud belch, I remember that a student’s manners are a reflection of his parents'

This was illlustrated at my back to school night when the parent of a student walked in my door and let loose a 5 second belch. His wife giggled, the son high-fived him, and go figure, the son repeated the same act the next day during school.

8. Guys who dribble a ball for a couple of hours a game can make up to $20 million a year. We educate future leaders and make about $51,000 a year.

I've been teaching for almost 15 years and 51k is still well off in my future.

10. Kids dish on your secrets all the time—money, religion, politics, even Dad’s vasectomy.

In the middle of class yesterday a student raised her hand and said out of the middle of no where "If I'm late tomorrow, I have to be at court to tell the judge which parent I want to live with."

11. Please, no more mugs, frames, or stuffed animals. A gift card to Starbucks or Staples would be more than enough. A thank-you note: even better.

The thank you notes I have recieved are worth more than any amount of money I've ever been given.

12. We love snow days and three-day weekends as much as your kid does.

Some truth to that, but I get antsy if we have too many snow days in a row.

13. The students we remember are happy, respectful, and good-hearted, not necessarily the ones with the highest grades.

So true!

I'm not sure which ones are BS in your opinion, but there is truth to all of them.

21 posted on 09/08/2010 9:53:48 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: albie

Yes, but if the kid gets in trouble, the parents are the 1st to blame the school system also. My SIL and BIL both teach in the public school system and I hear all sorts of horror stories.


22 posted on 09/08/2010 9:53:49 AM PDT by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: sodpoodle

Like one room schools?


23 posted on 09/08/2010 9:53:55 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

You think teaching is easy? Are you insane?! It’s not just hard, it’s IMPOSSIBLE! I’d rather work in a factory for 70 hours a week.

You don’t just stick 30 kids in a room and explain the ABCs, you bear the entire weight of the community and it’s endless problems on your shoulders. Unless the teacher doesn’t care about the kids...then it’s a breeze.


24 posted on 09/08/2010 9:54:11 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: RinaseaofDs
Try being a Youth Pastor - you hear E V E R Y THING!

The stories I could tell...

The service and sacrifice are worth it, but sometimes...you just gotta think what is WRONG...

with the PARENTS in this country sometimes?

25 posted on 09/08/2010 9:54:38 AM PDT by NorCoGOP (OBAMA: Living proof that hope is not a plan.)
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To: MrB

That’s a serious problem, and I don’t know what to do either. I suspect that some level of “public school” is unavoidable, but anyone who possibly can would try to seek an alternative. One problem today is that the government actively works to make the alternatives difficult so that most people just default back on public schooling. I’d think to see that reversed.


26 posted on 09/08/2010 9:55:21 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ChocChipCookie
"They spend most of March teaching kids how to take the big state tests in April."

Listen to what you're saying. The test isn't the problem, the problem lies with the teachers and the school administrators who allow the time to be spent the way it is.

The taxpayer has not only the right, but the obligation to inspect what they expect. And, what they expect is that the teachers are teaching. The ONLY way to do that is to test the fruits of the teacher's alleged labor. That is accomplished with testing - which shouldn't be called testing, but inspecting.

My wife has been an educator for 25-years. She's a professor of English. She rants, especially this time of year - the start of the school year - about how criminally unprepared her incoming students are - almost incapable of writing anything longer than a tweet. BUT, the students sure know it's ok for little Suzie to have two mommies.

If teachers spent more time teaching, and less time social engineering, the end of the year testing wouldn't be a problem, for anyone.

27 posted on 09/08/2010 9:55:29 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: US Navy Vet
12. We love snow days and three-day weekends as much as your kid does.

No kidding? And teacher's conferences in Atlantic City during the school year, and professional days, and instead of having Columbus Day off we take the week before Columbus day just to make it hard on you, and November might as well be a month off with all of the BS days off, and tons of half days at the end of the year, etc...

28 posted on 09/08/2010 9:55:35 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Amen to that. I have worked in public education for over 25 years and don’t make a lot of money. But, since my salary comes from tax payers, I should NOT make a lot of money. Come on educators, get your head out of the clouds and stick to educating children.

And the reason for standardized tests is to INSURE that students know and understand basic information. Why is that so hard to understand?


29 posted on 09/08/2010 9:55:40 AM PDT by Laulee
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To: US Navy Vet
4. Kids used to go out and play after school and resolve problems on their own. Now, with computers and TV, they lack the skills to communicate. They don’t know how to get past hurt feelings without telling the teacher and having her fix it.

They didn't always hit upon the right resolution.

Also, when kids are being sexually abused, they are instructed to tell an authority figure, like a teacher.

Don't want to "fix it", find a job that does not carry authority and social work.

I'm sure managers didn't take the job to resolve disputes between coworkers either.

30 posted on 09/08/2010 9:57:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Vouchers.
The parents who care will get their kids to good schools.
Schools would compete for the kids whose parents care, increasing quality and efficiency and service.

The kids whose parents don’t care would still be in the “public” school, but, I’m sorry to say, they were probably “doomed” to low academic performance anyway, due to their parents.

Because this would work, the left opposes vouchers whenever they are brought up.


31 posted on 09/08/2010 9:58:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: OldDeckHand

That is $51,000 for 9 months of work. It doesn’t include the generous public retirement benefits that allow a lot of teachers to retire in their fifties, unlike most private sector people.


32 posted on 09/08/2010 9:58:32 AM PDT by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: US Navy Vet

Hey - mine had two rooms;) LOL!!!!

The ideal solution would be much like the original church-affiliated schools. Everyone pitched in - usually with at least one professional teacher. Home-schoolers could accomplish the same thing if there were enough children and funding in a limited area to support a facility. Sadly, there would be too many Federal, STate & local regulations.


33 posted on 09/08/2010 9:58:39 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: US Navy Vet

I can agree with you that #’S 3,4,5,9, and 13 are B.S.


34 posted on 09/08/2010 9:58:39 AM PDT by fml
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To: US Navy Vet

So they don’t want to be evaluated, and they blame parents for everything wrong with the kids.

Here are some other “Things Your Child’s Teacher Won’t Tell You”

14. Being conservative, Christian, or patriotic means you’re not educated and I’ll make sure to have all my students be liberal atheistic people of the world no matter what you teach them at home.

15. I worship at the altar of education and believe that being educated makes you good

17. Sex education and encouraging teen sex is a good way to break your children’s ties from you, so I’ll make sure to ridicule any sense of chastity or sexual virtue in sex ed.


35 posted on 09/08/2010 9:59:17 AM PDT by dan1123 (Free condoms for teens to have safe sex is like giving them bullet-proof vests for safe gun play)
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To: OldDeckHand

I don’t have an issue with any test. I have an issue with 2-3 months of the school year being wasted teaching to the test.

The whole system is a mess from the top down.


36 posted on 09/08/2010 9:59:23 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (TheSurvivalMom.com)
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To: US Navy Vet
Guys who dribble a ball for a couple of hours a game can make up to $20 million a year. We educate future leaders and make about $51,000 a year.

So why is this my problem?

Learn to dribble a basketball if you want to make the big bucks.

37 posted on 09/08/2010 9:59:31 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: US Navy Vet
5. When I hear a loud belch, I remember that a student’s manners are a reflection of his parents’.

When I see 7 reports of teachers molesting their students, it's a reflection on corrupt public schools and the teachers' unions.

38 posted on 09/08/2010 9:59:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: proud American in Canada

A little pespective: I am a teacher and I am in the process of moving. I have so many little gifts, candles, etc. that are special but require lots of boxes. :) My most cherished possession is the big, think purple folder in which I keep every letter written to me by a student or parent. On those cold, dreary winter days, I get a hot cup of coffee and read each one of those letters and reflect on the writer.


39 posted on 09/08/2010 10:00:07 AM PDT by karatemom
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To: SoftballMominVA
3. We’re sick of standardized testing and having to “teach to the test.”

You better believe it.

I have long wondered why teachers complain about this aspect of their jobs. I mean, if a kid is being tested on grammar, doesn't teaching to the test mean a child will be taught subject verb agreement, correct usage of pronouns, etc.?

I'm not trying to be snarky. I'd like a real explanation for why teaching to the test bothers teachers so much. I hear the complaint all the time.

40 posted on 09/08/2010 10:00:43 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: US Navy Vet
12. We love snow days and three-day weekends as much as your kid does.

Actually more, "you're" getting paid for doing nothing.

41 posted on 09/08/2010 10:00:53 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: US Navy Vet

#10 is SO TRUE! (kids dish on your secrets)
My aunt taught Kindergarten for 27 yrs. and had more juicy gossip available to her than anyone else in town!

So is #2. Not just for teachers. Years ago I had a job selling retail electronics, and I was amazed how many couples would wait until they were 3 feet away from me across a counter before having their marriage-ending argument about whether they really needed to buy this thing or not.


42 posted on 09/08/2010 10:01:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SoftballMominVA; ChocChipCookie

What’s on the standardized tests that you’re not teaching the information that’s going to be covered on them all year? Why do you have to specifically concentrate on covering that information the month before the test?


43 posted on 09/08/2010 10:01:35 AM PDT by RonF
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To: US Navy Vet

3. We’re sick of standardized testing and having to “teach to the test.”

Tough - that is the requirement. We as parents are required by law to supervise our children and to provide an education. To do that, we need to know not only how our childern perform but how the teachers and schools perform as well. Quit complaining and do the job you have been paid to do.

9. We take on the role of mother, father, psychologist, friend, and adviser every day.

Then you are not doing your job. You are there to teach and NOT be a mother or father or psychologist to my child.


44 posted on 09/08/2010 10:03:10 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: proud American in Canada

I wonder if there’s another list:

“13 Things That Teen At The Fast Foot Register Won’t Tell You”


45 posted on 09/08/2010 10:04:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: Laulee

Unlike some homeschoolers, I don’t mind standardized tests as it gives me a snapshot of what my kids have retained.

However, I never prep them for it or teach towards it. I teach, they learn. If they learned it well, it shows on the test.

In GA, we only have to test every 3 years, and in my experience that has been enough. There have been several studies showing most of these children who are “behind” in K-2 usually catch up by 4th grade anyway.


46 posted on 09/08/2010 10:04:17 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Please help us put Herman over 30K fans - www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain)
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To: US Navy Vet

Might be fun to come up with ‘13 Things a Student’s Parents Won’t Tell You’

Standardized testing is different than assessment testing. Standardized testing has been around for decades. Assessment testing is the new kid on the block and what (most) teachers detest.

Which is fine with me. The reason politicians started down the road of assessment tests is because the teaching establishment abdicated their main responsibility of actually teaching kids in favor of making sure no kid had self-esteem issues. Curriculum was dumbed down, down, down, to the point where huge numbers of kids were graduating high school without knowing even the most basic things.
Assessment tests were mandated in an attempt to get teachers back on track.


47 posted on 09/08/2010 10:04:40 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich.)
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To: OldDeckHand; US Navy Vet
>>"8. Guys who dribble a ball for a couple of hours a game can make up to $20 million a year. We educate future leaders and make about $51,000 a year."
>
>Second, It's called the free-market, sweetheart. If you were 6'9", with long arms, mad hops and a killer J, there would be somebody willing to pay you that kind of scratch. But alas, you aren't.

Wasn't there a South Park episode about that?

48 posted on 09/08/2010 10:05:28 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: US Navy Vet
At parent-teacher conferences,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Parent-teacher conferences are an UTTER, TOTAL, COMPLETE, and IRREDEEMABLE **WASTE** OF TIME!

(Principles and teachers in government schools will do what **they** want irregardless of parent opinion.)

(Yes, I am shouting and being redundant!)

49 posted on 09/08/2010 10:07:52 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: old and tired
The best subject to illustrate the 'teaching to the test' issue is with history. Let's say that the kids are being tested on American History, spanning from the mid 1600's to present. Of course you cover everything in order, making sure the kids learn it, but the test is given in early June. At some point, the teacher will feel it necessary to go back and review what was done 1st semester. Then, because they don't know what questions and dates will be asked, they review all the dates. Then review the major events, then the major people, then help the kids have a visual time line to know what was happening at the same time and how it affected the country 50 years later.

The other challenge is that all the kids take the same test, including those that are mild to moderately disabled, learning disabled, autistic, emotionally disturbed, and/or disadvantaged in a variety of ways. Schools are now up to needing close to 100% passing now (I think the goal is 88% this year) so even have 87% passing in one or more subgroups labels the entire school as failing. It's nerve-wracking.

Luckily for me, I teach reading, so that cramming session doesn't happen for me. But I do see others go through it.

50 posted on 09/08/2010 10:09:03 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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