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TSG: "KORAN BURNER: CREEPIER THAN YOU THINK
The Smoking Gun ^ | 9/8/10 | LiveFreePordie

Posted on 09/08/2010 2:20:52 PM PDT by Binstence

SEPTEMBER 8--The Florida pastor who is planning to burn a pile of Korans this weekend runs a church that has established a variety of cult-like rules for individuals studying to become ministers, according to the group’s “rulebook.”

The Dove World Outreach Center (DWOC), headed by Islam-hating Rev. Terry Jones, has been widely denounced for its September 11 bonfire plans. The tiny Gainesville church is headed by Jones and his wife Sylvia, a co-pastor.

The DWOC’s “Academy Rulebook,” a copy of which you’ll find here, was created in November 2007 by Sylvia Jones. The document, which details the standards to which a prospective DWOC minister must adhere, addresses topics such as behavior, study, and communication. It is also filled with the kind of creepy directions that are often associated with cults.

For instance, students are directed to cut off most contact with family members. “Family occasions like wedding, funerals or Birthdays are no exception to this rule,” the rulebook notes. “No phone calls. Exceptions can be made under certain circumstances but only after receiving permission.”

The Joneses also barred “Singles” from having “romantic relationships to the opposite sex…

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I will never understand the paradox of a site like TSG which is run by an atheist or secular Jew (oxymoron) who allows his anti-Christian bigotry to blind him from the reality that Islam is ascending and will persecute both Jews and Christians ending in genocide yet he bends over backward to brand Reverend Jones a "hater" and his small church a "cult" while failing to label Islam a deadly cult which it clearly is. Islam has committed 4 successful terror attacks in the USA since September 11. 2001 resulting in 14 deaths. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100502080932AA0llnl I think the suicidal tendency of the radical left-wing in America is much "creepier" than Rev. Jones pamphlet. What is Reverand Jone's crime? Why does the left seem to delight in and apologize for real and actual deadly hate crimes while persecuting a single citizen who has not burned a single Koran and is exercising his civil-liberty to protest? Where was TSG when Yoko Ono tore up the Holy Bible on stage and tossed it into the crowd in the year 2000? Why is she not creepy? The sick, so called "progressive" left celebrates Ono's thinly veiled hate. Curiouser and curiouser.
1 posted on 09/08/2010 2:20:54 PM PDT by Binstence
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To: Binstence

I don’t think anyone is buying into his attempt at religion, he is getting support for doing something that millions of us want to see


2 posted on 09/08/2010 2:23:34 PM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: Binstence

Is he as creepy as Jeremiah Wright, mentor to the President of the United States for 20 years?!!


3 posted on 09/08/2010 2:25:02 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: Binstence

Don’t like the message, attack the messenger.


4 posted on 09/08/2010 2:25:10 PM PDT by BradtotheBone (Moderate Democrat - A politician whose voting record leans left and whose vote can be bought.)
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To: Binstence

Has he published the quotes from the Imam of the Ground Zero mosque accusing the United States of terrorism?


5 posted on 09/08/2010 2:26:09 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: SF_Redux

You can do the same thing. Just go out and buy a Koran and burn it.


6 posted on 09/08/2010 2:26:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Binstence
What is Reverand Jone's crime?

I ask a different question. How will burning the Koran cause ANYONE to convert to Christianity? Sure he will attract a few nutjobs to his church, but innocent Christians in turd world countries may die for this stupid and selfish stunt.

7 posted on 09/08/2010 2:26:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Binstence

I was a part of a ‘Christian cult’ back in the 80’s that espoused the same kinds of ‘rules’ over it’s congregation. I got out of that, thankfully. It still operates up here, headquartered out of Graham, WA.

I do NOT support that kind of iron-handed rulership.

I DO support what he’s doing about the Koran.


8 posted on 09/08/2010 2:26:43 PM PDT by hoagy62 (.)
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To: Binstence
Funny. We now know all about this pastor in Florida but there's no coverage about the imam who is building the mosque at Ground Zero.

At least I know the former is against people crashing planes into buildings.

9 posted on 09/08/2010 2:26:46 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: SF_Redux

Yah, it’s not about his religion or affiliations. It’s those of us who have had it up over our heads with being told, as Americans, that we have to appease the muslims everytime their little minds get offended. We must slap down fellow Americans and bust them of their rights. We have to put up with their insensitivity at Ground Zero. I, for one, am sick of it.


10 posted on 09/08/2010 2:27:44 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Binstence

Uh oh Branch Davidian Waco madness alert. here come the tanks; calling Janet Reno 9-1-1!


11 posted on 09/08/2010 2:28:15 PM PDT by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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To: SF_Redux

He is a giant not unlike David against Goliath. I just wish it were not one single American who has committed not crime who is causing the so called, “global community” and the entire US government from the president down to the dog catcher attempting to censor and silence a single man who’s moral clarity is crystal clear. Islam is smiling.


12 posted on 09/08/2010 2:28:39 PM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Wallid Shoebat converted to Christianity after he read the Bible to see what the differences between Islam and Christianity were.

This act of burning Korans is sure highlighting the hatefulness of the Muslims who are threatening to kill people because of it.


13 posted on 09/08/2010 2:28:39 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Binstence
Islam has committed 4 successful terror attacks in the USA since September 11. 2001 resulting in 14 deaths.

The body count is higher than that.

The El Al Air shooting at LAX.

The DC Sniper duo.

The Seattle Jewish community center shooting (I believe there was at least one fatality).

The Army recruiting center shooting.

The Ft. Hood shooting.

And then we have "unsolved" cases like the anthrax attacks.

14 posted on 09/08/2010 2:28:39 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: Binstence

It must be time for the daily two minutes of hate in an effort to get the public in line with the Victory Mosque and Muslim domination.


15 posted on 09/08/2010 2:29:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Newsflash...they kill Christians anyway. They’ve never needed an excuse before and this isn’t one now.


16 posted on 09/08/2010 2:29:32 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Binstence

His website’s apologia for the Westboro Baptist nuts tells me all I need to know about him.


17 posted on 09/08/2010 2:29:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Binstence
"In order to obey God, we have to leave the family behind."

Hmmmmm
18 posted on 09/08/2010 2:30:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Binstence
I don't think it was ever in doubt that this reverand was a creep.

I do, however, support burn a koran day. It's evil corrupt garbage.

Light 'em up:


19 posted on 09/08/2010 2:31:00 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Pyro7480

Did Smoking Gun ever point out the links between Communist groups and the so-called “antiwar movement” in 1968 or 2005?


20 posted on 09/08/2010 2:31:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You must be an NYU lawyer. The are the only species who can blame a pastor in Florida for murders committed in 3rd world countries by retrograde 7th century terrorists. Liberalism is a dangerous mental disorder.


21 posted on 09/08/2010 2:31:33 PM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: Binstence

Based on what little I read of the manual, it looks very familiar. It contains the same rules that resulted in Jonestown.


22 posted on 09/08/2010 2:31:58 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Binstence

This is creepy enough for me!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2584978/posts


23 posted on 09/08/2010 2:32:25 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: Binstence
All the attention to the Koran burning, is simply obama and his cronies setting up a political safe zone.

From now on any death of a soldier who is killed by an Islamist, will be blamed on the “religious right”.

The reduction in forces, and the idiotic rules of engagement, will get a free pass.

24 posted on 09/08/2010 2:32:53 PM PDT by wendell
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To: a fool in paradise

The Internet didn’t exist in 1968.


25 posted on 09/08/2010 2:33:02 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“How will burning the Koran cause ANYONE to convert to Christianity?”

Evangelism is but the tip of the duties of the Christian.

Confronting heresy is, and islam is the greatest Christian heresy that ever existed. (And yes, islam sprang, in no small part from Christian heretics and gnostics.)


26 posted on 09/08/2010 2:33:11 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
I do, however, support burn a koran day.

It's an international event.

And now for something completely different...

Merkel to honor Mohammed cartoonist at press award

reuters.com ^ | Sep 8, 2010 | Stephen Brown and Knut Engelmann

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2585383/posts?

“German Chancellor Angela Merkel risked angering Muslims by speaking at an awards ceremony on Wednesday for a Dane whose cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed provoked sometimes violent protests by Muslims five years ago. The 75-year-old cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, whose drawings of Mohammed that offended Muslims worldwide first appeared in Danish paper Jyllands-Posten in 2005, was due to receive a prize on Wednesday evening at a conference on freedom of the press...”

27 posted on 09/08/2010 2:33:34 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: Binstence

I am concerned that a public official, speaking supposedly in an official capacity, has an opinion about whether an American citizen should, or should not, burn the democrat party donkey in effigy (opps, I mean a Koran).


28 posted on 09/08/2010 2:34:19 PM PDT by Tax Government (Democrat: "I'm driving to Socialism at 95 mph." Republican: "Observe the speed limit.")
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To: Pyro7480

The smoking gun does not just leak “present day” documents, does it?

And the years are not tied to specific “events”, it is the antiwar movements in total.

The Communist Party USA also protested against going to war against Nazi Germany. That is until Hitler betrayed their beloved Stalin.


29 posted on 09/08/2010 2:35:19 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: hoagy62

The point the pointy headed leftists and so called “progressives” seem congenitally unable to process is that the Reverend has committed no crime while Islam is a global criminal organization who has murdered 14 people in America since 9/11 AND THEY REMAIN SILENT IN CONDEMNATION OF THEM YET take the first and every opportunity to air out their closeted and virulent anti-Christian bigotry in a unified frenzy. It is sick out there and getting sicker.


30 posted on 09/08/2010 2:35:32 PM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
How many Christians through out the world have been beaten down by the muzzies and unable to worship and speak out for fear of being killed. Many of the peace loving muzzies will burn a bible in a heart beat and think nothing of it.
31 posted on 09/08/2010 2:36:00 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Binstence

It is EASY to understand.

Ready?

Satan.

Yep, that is it. The end.

I am not being trite. No quip here. Satan.

A real entity, pardon the pun, Hell Bent on beating the Lord God at this game called life on Earth.

The very end game play is that a descendant of King David would rule the Earth as the redeemer of mankind and that the Jews would crown him as such.

The Jews wait for him now, and the Christians believe he came once and will be right back.

The Muslims have a very different take on who they are waiting for, most Christians believe that person will be the AntiChrist.

So, Satan needs only to do two things in “win”. Make sure there are NO Jews from which this king can either COME or BE CROWNED BY.

No Jews: No King: No PROBLEM.

Thus, anyone and everyone who is NOT supporting THAT event. Waiting for or working for that King, is the enemy.

No other political or religious distractions are actually involved.

If you do not SERVE God/Christ, then you ARE serving Satan or at best, simply in the way.

Thus, the liberal Jew, the secular Jew is neither believing in Christ or waiting FOR “A Christ”. Nor is the Muslim, the Atheist, the Secularist, the Humanist, the Buddhist or the ignorant.

THIS is exactly and simply WHY “politics makes for such strange bedfellows”. They are ALL sleeping with the Devil.

So are all the so called Christians who act like this crazy cult idiot. He is not doing the WILL of God, nor are the crazy anti war protesters at God hates Fags.

While true, He does HATE Sodomy, He also hates the folks giving Christ a bad name and failing on that regard.

There IS Christ with a bull whip, kicking ass, yes. But notice in the passage he whipped the men and the large animals. When he came to the doves in cages, he gently opened and let them free.


32 posted on 09/08/2010 2:36:06 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Welcome to "The Hunt for Red November".)
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To: a fool in paradise

As far as I know, Smoking Gun emphasizes current cases. But let’s not get sidetracked. This pastor’s church did the indefensible by condoning the Westboro nutjobs.


33 posted on 09/08/2010 2:37:36 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: righttackle44
"Based on what little I read of the manual, it looks very familiar. It contains the same rules that resulted in Jonestown."

Yup.

I t's kool aid time or jump on the back of a comet time---redux.

34 posted on 09/08/2010 2:37:47 PM PDT by evad (SHUT IT DOWN!!!)
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To: Binstence
He could be a satan worshipper and in this one instance of burning the book of his master, I would support him.

I love that it is causing not only the islamic nuts to get nuttier, but it is causing the leftist to wet their pants.

35 posted on 09/08/2010 2:39:33 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, $10 is all it would take, why spend millions to cover it up?)
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To: a fool in paradise

I think it would serve a good purpose if the media would pull the passages from the quran which are a danger to society.

Sections which instruct jihad, cutting off heads, killing Jews and Christians, etc., should be widely publicized. Why are the so-called peace loving muslims never challenged on the insane and deadly words of this “holy” book.

Burning this hate-filled book does nothing. I say expose its contents.


36 posted on 09/08/2010 2:39:49 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: cripplecreek

Did not Jesus say you had to leave the family had to hate your mother and father and put your hand on the plow and not look back?


37 posted on 09/08/2010 2:40:20 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kabar
You can do the same thing. Just go out and buy a Koran and burn it.

You don't even have to buy it.

Just contact CAIR or a local mosque and they will send/give you one, free and postage paid.

I know...I've asked for and received 13 so far.

You'd think the idiots would have caught on by now.

They make great bullet backstops, lousy toilet paper, decent birdcage liner, okay for cat litter box lining and so-so for starting the wood stove fire.

One that I received had wood in the bindings/cover, good enough for my Cub Scout grandson to build a bird house with.

38 posted on 09/08/2010 2:40:26 PM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: Pyro7480

Selective outrage at religious extremism undercuts the entire argument over one nut.

The media gave Barack Hussein Obama a pass for going to the church of God Damn America for 20 years.

I will not be shamed. I have not attended this man’s church, listened to his message, or send him a penny.

He still has the right to burn a koran regardless of his views.

Hillary Clinton has denounced it as an offensive act, yet she told those offended by the Mother Mary in Dung to “stuff it” even though THAT was at a taxpayer funded venue.

Can’t have it both ways.


39 posted on 09/08/2010 2:42:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: ReneeLynn

No we don’t have to put up with it and we mustn’t any longer. We must demand of our so called “representatives” to establish and enforce better and more stringent immigration laws requiring “assimilation training” for prospective new citizens. US citizenship is an honor and privilege and we must stop slouching toward the 3rd world new comers and demand they aspire to assimilation into our precious foundational truths and customs.

Never forget it was Ted Kennedy who, in an effort to save the democrat party and swell its voter base crafted the 1964 immigration and naturalization laws to open the floodgates to 3rd world masses who may not be equipped or evolved enough to extol, never mind carry the banner of our sacred constitution. May his eternity be spent in torment.


40 posted on 09/08/2010 2:42:22 PM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: ReneeLynn

Yes, they have. And this just gives them a new excuse.

But you didn’t answer my question, how does this advance Christianity?


41 posted on 09/08/2010 2:43:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: pnh102
“At least I know the former is against people crashing planes into buildings.”

How do you know that? The idiot probably agrees with Fred Phelps that the USA had it coming for it not condemning homosexuality. He certainly agrees with Phelps that our dead men and women in the armed services deserved to die.

Really, what is the difference between this nutjob and an islamic jihadist?

They both think Americans deserve to die because of sins against God.

They both want to destroy any middle ground and make this a war of Islam against the West.

42 posted on 09/08/2010 2:43:36 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: wendell
All the attention to the Koran burning, is simply obama and his cronies setting up a political safe zone.

We have a winner

43 posted on 09/08/2010 2:43:53 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: kabar
You can do the same thing. Just go out and buy a Koran and burn it.

I am downloading a copy of the koran as I type this, will print it out and burn it on Saturday night on a small raft in a large lake.

If it threatens to burn out of control, I'll throw jars of piss on it to control the flames.

I hate all mooselimb terrorists and until a "moderate" Muslim takes a blood oath denouncing all violence, they are mooselimb terrorists in my book.

I'd rather we would nuke Mecca and Medina, but right now I'll have to settle for burning the book of total hatred.

44 posted on 09/08/2010 2:44:34 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: MrB

Precisely correct. The intrinsically evil ideology of Islam has already threatened a man who has not burned one Koran and the entire US government is siding with Islam. Get out your dusty hymn books, we need to start singing, “Nearer my God to Thee”.


45 posted on 09/08/2010 2:44:49 PM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: JudyinCanada

If you burn a copy of Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals (a book dedicated to Satan in the introduction), would Chris Matthews demand a jihad?

“I always try to remind myself of Saul Alinsky when I get confused,” Matthews said on his “Hardball” show...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2415397/posts
Chris Matthews: Alinsky ‘our hero’
World Net Daily ^ | 12/26/09 | Aaron Klein


46 posted on 09/08/2010 2:46:09 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: wendell
All the attention to the Koran burning, is simply obama and his cronies setting up a political safe zone.

Yes, and it is an added chance by media to denigrate the word "Christian" and associate it with extreme hate and idiocy. It also elevates islam and creates a "victim" for their famous altar which they kneel and worship. Cultural Marxism at work.

47 posted on 09/08/2010 2:46:17 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: righttackle44

It’s a creepy manual BUT IT IS NOT FOR HIS CHURCH.

It’s for some sort of Theology School they have.


48 posted on 09/08/2010 2:46:46 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Binstence

Newsflash! If YOU personally do something that causes another person to die, even indirectly, YOU can be held responsible. YOU are the one trying to help this pastor avoid responsibility for his acts.


49 posted on 09/08/2010 2:46:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: savagesusie

When the Left burned the american flag at anti-americanwar rallies, it also put our troops in danger.


50 posted on 09/08/2010 2:47:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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