Skip to comments.KORAN BURNERS AND MOSQUE BUILDERS ARE THE SAME
Posted on 09/09/2010 7:23:42 AM PDT by shortstop
The Koran burning and the Ground Zero mosque are the same thing.
They are both legal, and they are both wrong. They are impolite, cruel and hurtful, and protected by the Constitution.
Good people would do neither.
But good people arent behind either.
Yes, the loony pastor in Florida is wrong to burn Korans as a protest. But, yes, for the exact same reasons, the loony imam in New York is wrong to put a mosque within the blood splatter of Ground Zero.
Yet, ironically, the Obama Administration calls one action protected and the other idiotic.
And the same people who defend burning the flag as free speech denounce burning the Koran as religious intolerance.
The double standards on this deal are nauseating.
First, as to Saturday. In Florida, where a tiny church has threatened to burn copies of the Muslim Koran, a PR stunt has made a flake a star, and brought attention to one more loser who craves it.
He claims his Christianity compels him to burn the Muslim book.
He is wrong. Christianity compels no such thing.
Yes, Christianity compels him and all believers to reject Islam as a means of salvation. Christianity teaches that only through faith in and obedience to Jesus Christ can mankind be saved. Christianity teaches that the Koran is spiritual falsehood and confusion, akin to the idolatry and false gods of the Old Testament.
But Christianity also teaches a simple standard for dealing with others: Treat them the way you yourself would want to be treated. Not the way they have treated you that is the devils plan of revenge and lowest-common-denominator relations but the way that you would want to be treated.
And it is clear that no one including this pastor in Florida would want a symbol of their faith treated in a disrespectful way. Its simply not courteous, neighborly or Christian.
The Koran may not mean anything to the Florida guy or to you and me but it means something to somebody else, and out of common courtesy to that somebody else, it shouldnt be burned.
Muslims have a unique view of their sacred scripture that Christians and Jews do not. To Christians and Jews, while a particular Bible or Torah might have sentimental or historical value, the actual book is just ink on paper, the true significance is in the message. You can burn the book, but that is meaningless when it comes to the eternal and unchanging truths in the book. Islam looks at its book differently, and instills some of the messages revered nature in the actual copy of the book itself. That objectification of the Koran may not make sense to a non-Muslim, but it doesnt have to.
Thats how they feel about it and a neighborly person who is treating others the way he would want to be treated wouldnt make a spectacle and burn a bunch of Korans.
That would be cruel and unbrotherly.
The same way that building a mosque in a building damaged on September 11 would be cruel and unbrotherly.
Most Muslims find it inappropriate to burn Korans. Most Americans find it inappropriate to build the Ground Zero mosque. An argument for courtesy in one matter should lead naturally to an argument for courtesy in the other.
Thats the point that needs to be made about this Koran burning. Every argument in favor of building the mosque is, logically, also an argument for burning the Koran. Both actions are protected by the First Amendment. There is no doubt about that.
Yet we dont hear the president standing up in front of his Muslim friends and defending the rights of the Florida pastor. Rather, the same people who defend the mosque are shouting down the pastor. Its as if liberty is a one-way street, and courtesy only makes demands on a portion of society.
If it is wrong and divisive to burn the Koran, and it is, then it is wrong and divisive to build the mosque.
Yet Muslims and their defenders demand a protection for their rights which they are not willing to extend to others. Muslims and so-called inter-faith groups condemn the burning but defend the mosque. Their bias blinds them to the hypocrisy of their stand.
One is as offensive as the other.
Astoundingly, the mosque defenders are unable to see that the Florida pastor is giving them a taste of their own medicine. Rudeness in the name of liberty is defended in New York and denounced in Florida.
But both are wrong together.
And both sides should be more Christian. Both sides should do what Jesus said, and do unto others as they would have others do unto them.
The Korans should not be burned, and the mosque should not be built.
They are two peas in the same pod.
I haven’t read the Mosqovites’ opinion on the Koran burning yet. Have they said “They have the legal right to do it, but it’s wrong?”
“They are both legal, and they are both wrong. They are impolite, cruel and hurtful, and protected by the Constitution.
Yet, ironically, the Obama Administration calls one action protected and the other idiotic.”
I totally agree with this analysis.
When the Korans are burned over the ashes and bone fragments of Moslems, THEN it will be the same.
Otherwise, this is a heap of donkey dung.
I bet the pastor would call off the koran burning if Rauf said he won’t build the mosque at GZ. Seems like a fair trade.
I call it performance art. My idea is, find a picture of Momo place it under a pile of dung and get a NEA grant.
I am tired of people equating the mosque with the Koran burning.
They are completely different.
The mosque is a permanent structure proposed to be built in the middle of a huge, dense city. It is common and right that there is public input on siting such a project.
The Koran burning is an expression of religious opinion taking place on private property away from others. People can simply choose to ignore it if they wish and when it’s done, it’s done.
Didn’t hear any body complaining when; Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
Both instances are impositions on liberty and are sheer evil rather than rude.
Christianity is NOT the “official” religion in America.
America is not a Theocracy.
Christians can believe anything they want to as individuals and often we disagree on interpretations of the New Testament.
but WHAT Christ SAID ABOUT individual behavior does not apply to political entities like America.
This is NOT about religion.
Its about POLITICS.
Muslims and Islam believe in THEOCRACY. Its an integral part of their belief system. They ALSO view non-Muslim nations and individuals as enemies and seek to impose their theocratic dominance on the entire world.
They use violence and terror to maintain control of their own populations and enforce their religious beliefs wherever they can, on people who follow their religion and people who do not.
They abuse women and regiment men. They are sick people who follow an evil philosophy and have been so for centuries.
Why can't Westerners pick up some history books on Islam and the Koran and read about this vicious cult before they try equating it and them with a legitimate religion???
“Every argument in favor of building the mosque is, logically, also an argument for burning the Koran. Both actions are protected by the First Amendment. There is no doubt about that.”
Not necessarily true. An enemy of the United States is not protected by the 1st amendment. So the question is, who are these people trying to build the Mosque and what is their true intent? I dont think the truth about Islam and those supporting building this mosque is really known or recognized at this point in time. The right for followers of Islam to build mosques anywhere on US soil may ultimately be in question.
It is evil to burn a Koran to show one's utter rejection of Islam? Why?
In his interview with Hannity yesterday, the pastor, who was not a looney kook, said that moderate Muslims were not his target. He said his targets were the violent, extreme Muslims. He said he realized that they’d be insulted, but he wanted them to know they weren’t the targets, but he didn’t know how to get his point across without also insulting them, too, for which he felt bad.
Incidentally, that was one of the parts of the interview that had me conclude he was not a kook.
For one thing, I disagree with him that there really is such a thing as a consistently moderate Muslim.
That makes ME more extreme than him.
Ann Coulter, by the way, didn’t think this guy wasn’t that far off base. She sort of agreed with him, but encouraged him to play nice.
If he is burning Korans he is slapping the faces of those he considers to be "moderate Muslims." That's a crock.
I repeat, don't be fooled by this charlatan. He's in it for himself, and the glory here on earth it will bring him.
As a pastor, and as a Christian, he should be seeking to glorify God, and not his own puny ego.
This is all becoming too mundane.
We need to keep it interesting or I’m going to convert to stupidity!
How about a Fantasy Jihad league?
Anyone can do this?
Ante in? Your future.
You choose your favorite iman, only in the US!
His stats are critical to points which form the perfect cell, with the most points comes the jihad ready status.
This is time sensitive..because 9/11 is the day the winner gets the title Kafir of the kaliphate.
Point scale: 0-10
Fatwa certified -
Madrassa trained -
Funding origin -
Combat experience -
*Previous jihad(overseas only in Dar-Al-Harb) or proliferation training is ok.
Connected to terrorist org’s -
* Orgs point value goes with their age, members & jihad espousing terminology about the kafirs and their desire to subjugate the Western World.
Apologist in the media -
* Apologies are 1 point only! Description must include dates and media outlets used.
Mosque size -
* how much room do the Cell members have to train in -
** square ft’age or ?(round ft’age)?
Mosque followers #’s -
* this correlates with the potential cell members BUT I should probably take this out since it’s such an unknown.
You can use only 1 Intifada(Two team members only! Otherwise, you prematurely initiated a Holy War before the Kaliph was establish & you’ll be exposed & removed.) only once to attack your other players in an effort to gain better cell members or convert them to your sect of islam.
I can only come up with so much....
I’m going to have to agree with Bob Lonsberry.
No victory mosque and no quran burning, OK?
Everyone gets along.
Everybody will save a lot of money as a bonus.
IMO, if you are a Christian, then why not just live your life through Christ and those teachings every single day? You wouldn’t have much of an appreciation for Muslims burning the Bible, if you are a Christian, eh?
I am an atheist and would never burn a Bible or a Koran. Burning books is actually just really uncool and immature, IMO.
Go help the needy in the name of Jesus Christ and you will do so much more to denounce Islam than burning a book. If you have to find a book to burn, burn a ‘fable’ or ‘fairy tale’ or even a porn mag and write ‘Koran’ across the top then burn it. Honestly, I think that would say as much.
Again, this is all just my atheistic opinion. Ultimately, people should do what they feel is right.
Burning the book of a violent theocratic form of government does not equate to building a victory monument near the grounds where 2,600 died at the same hand of that theocratic form of government.
We are losing if these thoughts are coming from conservatives
It is evil to burn a Koran to show one’s utter rejection of Islam? Why?
“Burning the book of a violent theocratic form of government does not equate to building a victory monument near the grounds where 2,600 died at the same hand of that theocratic form of government.”
The only real comparison is Muslims organizing a burning of the Bible. In my opinion, that would be very rude, very wrong and not necessary for me to understand that Muslims denounce Christianity. I get it. They hate Christians and they even atheists like me.
An enemy of the United States, if a US citizen, IS protected by the 1st Amendment.
The Qu'ran tells them to extend the hand of friendship to unbelievers and then to kill them. About the Jews it says that they will hide behind rocks and the rocks will cry that they are behind the rocks come kill them.
If he is throwing the money-changers out of the temple, he is slapping the faces of those he considers to be "moderate Jews".
I repeat, don't be fooled by this charlatan. He's in it for himself, and the glory here on earth it will bring him.
That's exactly what the Sanhedrin told the Romans.
That doesn’t wash with the people who are not Christians, of which there are multitudes in this country. A lot of them even go to church.
Watching the “press” play the Pied Piper’s tune on this one ... and watching the people “dance to the media’s tune” is amazing. This is a non-incident, but the press plays it though it were the size of 911. What I hate is that this trivial “side show” is going to detract from the attention we should all be paying on the 911 MEMORIAL day. Maybe this is their plan?
Islam is. It's just a matter of time.
People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.
He based it on the bible and Christianity and tweeked it to suit his needs.
You are comparing a cult leader who supports Fred Phelps, to the Son of God, our Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ.
Neither of your specific comparisons make any sense whatsoever, and have no basis in reality, therefore I will not make any attempt to refute them.
The inanity of your words stands on its own.
You were doing good until the last sentence. 'Getting along' is not their goal. It doesn't matter whether we burn korans or not.
Submit or Die, is the bottom line when dealing with Islam.
“Both instances are impositions on liberty”
I agree that banning a religious building is an imposition on liberty. The personal rejection of an idea/value/religion is the expression of liberty.
If rocks are taking to Muslims, then just step back, they will be their own undoing.=)
Which is why I thought maybe finding a copy of The Three Little Pigs (heh, heh) and writing ‘Koran’ over the title and burning it might not be such a bad way to go...
Pigs, fairy tales and burning books...effective, but not worth so much retaliation?
“The Koran is a fairy tale. “
Well the Bible does say if we do not praise God the rocks will cry out. Which is probably where the mentally ill Mohammed got the idea.
It WILL be if Christians, Jews, Hindus, Agnostics, Atheists, etc, don;t wake up.
Unlike those other religions or belief systems, Muslims BELIEVE IN, WANT and SUPPORT a theocracy.
I’m sorry but not equivalent
desecrating and spitting on the graves of the nearly 3000 American murdered in the name of Islam by putting a mosque next to the WTC is a million times worse than burning a book
BTW I plan to burn a koran sunday, videotape it, and put it on you tube. Why? because MY first amendment rights ARE NOT vetoed when muslims are offended and threaten violence.
“That doesnt wash with the people who are not Christians, of which there are multitudes in this country. A lot of them even go to church.”
Of course I realize this. But this particular Pastor IS a Christian and I was using ‘being a Christian’ as an example of one way to denounce Islam.
“BTW I plan to burn a koran sunday, videotape it, and put it on you tube. Why? because MY first amendment rights ARE NOT vetoed when muslims are offended and threaten violence.”
I think you should do what you feel you need to do. Whether you feel you need to burn the Koran and film it or not.
Either way would be YOUR choice, not the choice of any muslim.
One BIG difference:
He’s not planning to burn the Koran on a site where 3,000 muslims were killed.
>> but it means something to somebody else, and out of common courtesy to that somebody else, it shouldnt be burned.<<
Can anyone find for me, in the Bible, where God instructed His people to make sure they didnt offend the sensibilities of the Pagans? Maybe it was in Jericho? I cant seem to find it.
*Im going to have to agree with Bob Lonsberry. No victory mosque and no quran burning, OK? Everyone gets along.
You were doing good until the last sentence. ‘Getting along’ is not their goal. It doesn’t matter whether we burn korans or not.
Submit or Die, is the bottom line when dealing with Islam.*
I should’ve said, everyone in America PRETENDS to get along until there are enough muslims to take over
I think that perhaps you simply do not understand either Christianity or Islam.
I am reminded of George Harrison's final words: "Everything else can wait, but to know God cannot wait."