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A bad Idea (Koran Burning)
Breakpoint ^ | 9-8-10 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 09/09/2010 10:48:10 AM PDT by Doomonyou

A Bad Idea

International Burn a Koran Day

By: Chuck Colson|Published: September 8, 2010 5:00 AM

Remembering the terrorist attacks of 9/11 is something we should do. But there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to do it.

Pastor Terry Jones’s thoughts about Islam are simple and direct. The title of his book says it all: Islam is of the Devil. The same thought is on a sign outside of his church, the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, and on the T-shirts and coffee mugs the church sells.

In order to raise greater awareness of the dangers of Islam, Jones has designated 9/11 as “International Burn a Koran Day.” According to their Facebook page Jones hopes, and I quote, “To bring awareness to the dangers of Islam and that the Koran is leading people to hell. Eternal fire is the only destination the Koran can lead people to so we want to put the Koran in its place—the fire!” End quote.

Every Christian believes that no man can come to God but through Jesus Christ. That’s not a bigoted remark, that’s simply the truth claim that underlies Christianity. And I would expect that Muslims would tell me that my religion, Christianity, is a false religion.

The unique thing about the United States is that we are prepared to fight for and defend every single individual’s right to his or her choice to practice the religion of their choice. We learn to respect our differences in a free, pluralistic society.

I have also referred repeatedly on BreakPoint to the dangers of the Islamist movement, which is an ideologically extreme perversion of the Islamic faith. And this is why so many armed conflicts around the world involve Muslims—often fighting other Muslims.

And the attempts to inject parts of Sharia Law in the United States and Britain are a hazard to our constitutional order.

All that being said, I find Jones’s plan to burn the Koran foolish and contemptible. It poses dangers Jones has either overlooked or chooses to ignore.

As Dr. John Rankin, president of the Theological Education Institute correctly notes, if Jones burns the Qur’an, “the images will reverberate on the Internet internationally, and this could lead to unparalleled fury in the Muslim world.”

And most of that fury will be directed into violence against Christians in Muslim areas throughout the world. If Jones goes through with this horrid plan, people—Christian people—will suffer and some will die.

General Petraeus has even expressed fear for our troops in Afghanistan.

Second, Rankin comments, “The Gospel would thus be slandered.” The Apostle Peter tells Christians that we are to be good apologists, but as we give people reasons for our hope in Christ, it has to be “with gentleness and respect.”

Burning the Koran will be taken as the height of disrespect by the Muslim world where copies of the Koran are treated as sacred objects and are handled with the utmost care and reverence. Nothing in the Bible encourages us to treat Muslims or any other religious group with this kind of contempt.

Rankin concludes, “The stakes are high in terms of the reputation of the Gospel and protection of innocent lives in tinderbox sections of the Muslim world.”

My most fervent prayer is that Jones will reconsider and cancel the Koran burning in the name of the Gospel of Peace.

Part of a Christian worldview is the ability to articulate what we believe and why we believe it in the face of competing worldviews like Islam. But we detract from our witness if we allow anything except the Gospel to offend our unsaved neighbors.


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If Jones would reconsider, and not burn the Koran, he could make a powerful statement for the Gospel instead of lumping all Christians into the same boat as "See, Christians are just like they are."
1 posted on 09/09/2010 10:48:11 AM PDT by Doomonyou
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To: Doomonyou

Burning the Koran is JUST LIKE 9-11 alrighty...

Chuck, you are a moroon

We should have public Koran burnings in every city in America on the same day to make a real statement


2 posted on 09/09/2010 10:50:11 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Doomonyou
The problem is Obama has politicized it. Now burning the Koran will be seen as an act of resistance to the de facto secular humanist-Marxist-Islamist ideological alliance.

We Christians ought to welcome this debate, because it shows a lot of glaring hypocrisy out there.

3 posted on 09/09/2010 10:51:08 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lydiablievernicht)
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To: GeronL
We should have public Koran burnings in every city in America on the same day to make a real statement

Just like the Nazi's, Good idea.

4 posted on 09/09/2010 10:54:00 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Doomonyou

Give me a break.

Burning the koran is a bad idea, but it is HIS koran, and it’s his right to burn the darn thing.

You know who’s to blame here? The State Controlled Media and the White Hut. They are giving run to this thing. If they had ignored it, as they should have, it would have been just one whacky pastor and his flock of 50 defectives having a nice little fire that no one notices.


5 posted on 09/09/2010 10:54:22 AM PDT by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: GeronL

If we let Islam dictate our rights we are in big trouble..


6 posted on 09/09/2010 10:55:40 AM PDT by just me (Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom. (John Adams)
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To: Doomonyou

He could have just burned them, recorded it, and made it available afterwards, instead of telling everyone weeks before he did it.


7 posted on 09/09/2010 10:57:05 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Doomonyou

Jones is an isolated extremist
Christianity is a religion of peace
ha- sound familiar

If Pastor Jones represents all of Christianity, then Mohammed Atta represented all of islam.

Someone remind those hyperventilating ululating islamo a$$wipes of this as they are burning the US flag and issuing death threats.

Jones is out to prove there are no moderate tolerant muslims.


8 posted on 09/09/2010 10:57:48 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: brownsfan

I agree, but what’s the point? What purpose will it serve? Anything Good? Doubtful. It MAY just serve to throw gas on a fire that’s already going strong.


9 posted on 09/09/2010 10:57:48 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: GeronL

Do you really believe burning someon’s religious book, an honorable thing to do? I think it’s petty and a pretty middle-ages sort of mob mentality thing.


10 posted on 09/09/2010 10:59:29 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Doomonyou

Nazi’s burn people, like the Muslims like to do.

Making a public statement is freedom of expression, ever heard of that, beheading non-believers and blowing up skyscrapers is what would be opposed.

But then .... its US who are NAZI’s to morons


11 posted on 09/09/2010 10:59:44 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Doomonyou
"If Jones goes through with this horrid plan, people—Christian people—will suffer and some will die.

Muslims have been killing Christians since day one. Christians have been suffering and being killed by satans cult as long as history has been written.

You can take your spineless self and shove yourself up the muzzies a$$.

12 posted on 09/09/2010 11:00:04 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a second chance.)
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To: brownsfan

If he hadn’t announced to the world a week before he does it, it wouldn’t be a big thing either. What do you expect the media to do after it was announced?


14 posted on 09/09/2010 11:01:02 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Doomonyou

The koran is the book of satan. BURN BABY BURN!


15 posted on 09/09/2010 11:01:13 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a second chance.)
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To: stuartcr

I do not consider Islam a religion, its a demonic cult.


16 posted on 09/09/2010 11:02:46 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: NoGrayZone
Muslims have been killing Christians since day one. Christians have been suffering and being killed by satans cult as long as history has been written.

Well I'm not opposed to tuning Iran into a glass parking lot. This is just a stupid thing to do.

18 posted on 09/09/2010 11:03:07 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: NoGrayZone

And to think that God knew when and by whom it was going to be written, and what the consequences would be...


19 posted on 09/09/2010 11:03:18 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Doomonyou

“I agree, but what’s the point?”

Again, to the well used slippery slope.

Condemnation of this act can, and likely will, embolden the communist element among us. They’ll plead for rules to contain people like this. It would be “better for all of us.”

What to do?

IGNORE them. Let them do what they will do, regardless of your own preference. I hate flag burners, but it’s their flag, if they want to burn it, I’ll ignore them.

If you must pay attention, realize that liberty isn’t always comfortable, or pretty.


20 posted on 09/09/2010 11:04:07 AM PDT by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: GeronL

Obviously they do, otherwise what is the purpose behind burning it?


21 posted on 09/09/2010 11:04:39 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: All

This “pastor” has already made the point: he has pointed out the hypocricy and lies of the Left, the media, and most of all the muzzies...wouldn’t surprise me if he NEVER intended to burn them in the first place.
If islam is TRULY tolerant, where are the “moderate” muslims defending his right to burn the unholy koran?


22 posted on 09/09/2010 11:06:03 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Doomonyou
"Well I'm not opposed to tuning Iran into a glass parking lot. This is just a stupid thing to do."

So you're willing to kill millions, but yet are against buring the book of satan?

23 posted on 09/09/2010 11:06:37 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a second chance.)
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To: Doomonyou

I bet this westbororo baptist wannabe would think twice about this crap if he had arabic Christian family members living within reach of the Islamic mobs. Or maybe he wouldn’t care anyhow, long as he gets his 15 minutes.

Freegards


24 posted on 09/09/2010 11:07:54 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Maverick68

By now you should realise that Muslims think differently about speaking out against anything that has to do with their religion, good or bad.


25 posted on 09/09/2010 11:08:50 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: stuartcr

“What do you expect the media to do after it was announced?”

Ignore it. The media is pretty good at ignoring things. They’ve ignored Obama’s birth record, they’ve ignored Obama’s refusal to release college transcripts, they’ve ignored what Black Liberation Theology really means, and on and on.

If I annouce I’m going to hang Iran’s Imadinnerjacket in effigy in my front yard this weekend, I bet the media would ignore it. They have the capacity.


26 posted on 09/09/2010 11:08:53 AM PDT by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: Doomonyou

Normally, I wouldn’t say a word against some guy doing whatever he wants to his possessions on his property, and I’m as mad as anyone else that the liberals and media are showing preferential treatment toward Muslims (how many Bible-burnings and indignities to Christian symbols make this much news?).

However, I think, given Jone’s background (Westboro connections—does anybody here honestly believe an ally of Fred God-Hates-US-Soldiers-and-We-Deserved-9/11 Phelps truly wants to speak out against those who would harm America?), he is a liberal troll attempting to lure patriots all over the country to behave in a way the media can easily label “fanatical.” You have nothing to lose by NOT burning a Koran, so why risk walking into a trap?

Count me with those who say “He has the right to do it, but it’s a bad idea. Now, can we please shut up about it?”


27 posted on 09/09/2010 11:11:15 AM PDT by Julia H. (This tagline for rent--Only $999.99/month!)
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To: Doomonyou

Why can't these koran burners do something that the media and Obama administration and other liberals find less controversial?

Things like:

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28 posted on 09/09/2010 11:11:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The extravagance of his hype is matched by the inadequacy of his performance.)
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To: brownsfan

Not all the media. You know it only takes one media outlet to start something going that may generate revenues. Besides, do you really thing freepers would let it be ignored?

I think hanging an effigy, is way lass of an international story than something like burning the koran, don’t you?


29 posted on 09/09/2010 11:11:45 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Doomonyou
Afraid? Letting followers of a pedophile prophet dictate your freedoms? Cowards!
30 posted on 09/09/2010 11:12:02 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: brownsfan
I agree that we give this too much attention. If asked, American officials should just say, “Yeah, like any country, we've got mouth-breathing cretins who burn books. At least we know ours for what they are, and nobody’s going to give them the time of day.”
31 posted on 09/09/2010 11:12:06 AM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: Doomonyou

Maybe it’s time we fight back with the same force and vigor against those who seek to destroy our peace and prosperity here in America!
You can’t fight animals like a gentleman, with rules of engagement and other such nonsense that mean nothing to our enemy!
I say we pick up a weapon and stand a post in our own neighborhoods!


32 posted on 09/09/2010 11:12:06 AM PDT by my3centsworth
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To: NoGrayZone
So you're willing to kill millions, but yet are against buring the book of satan?

We are at war with these radicals. yeah, burning a book will show them.

33 posted on 09/09/2010 11:12:23 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Doomonyou

I have also referred repeatedly on BreakPoint to the dangers of the Islamist movement, which is an ideologically extreme perversion of the Islamic faith.”

Chuck Colson here makes the same mistake that so many others make which results in a fundamental misunderstanding of the danger. The Islamist movement is not a perversion (extreme or otherwise) of the Islamic faith. It is a correct interpretation of Islam based upon Mohammed’s writings as well as his life. Islam seeks world domination through intimidation, coercion, enslavement and mass murder depending upon the circumstances. This can no longer be denied as it is being played out in various places around the globe in the present as well as over the past 1,400 years.

This pastor may be a whack-job, but at some point Islam needs to be identified as the threat it really is and dealt with accordingly.


34 posted on 09/09/2010 11:13:43 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: Doomonyou

Terry Jones is a kook, and Christians, or people representing themselves as Christian should skip public burnings of anything in favor of ministering to people trapped in satanic beliefs like Islam. That said, people everywhere, the world over, without fanfare, should burn every Koran that pollutes their household. There is no need to draw attention to the ordeal, just throw them in the fireplace, the barrel you burn your grass clippings in, or throw them in the trash, and let the city burn it for you. Short of that, people who can use them for toilet paper without reading in the mental poison, should utilize the paper for that task.


36 posted on 09/09/2010 11:14:56 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Doomonyou

I sure hope he goes forward with it. If its stopped it will once again show that muslims threats of violence trump American Free speech.


37 posted on 09/09/2010 11:15:42 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (American Constitutional rights ARE NOT subject to muslim approval)
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"We are at war with these radicals. yeah, burning a book will show them."

Obviously it has. Keep up on the news and you will see how much affect it has upon the muzzies.

38 posted on 09/09/2010 11:16:49 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a second chance.)
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“Not all the media. You know it only takes one media outlet to start something going that may generate revenues. Besides, do you really thing freepers would let it be ignored?”

You’re apparently without a clue in many areas. You categorize all freepers the same? You really think a story gets legs based on a few reports, regardless of the outlet? You really believe koran burning is different than hanging someone in effigy?

You’re brainwashed, and don’t demonstrate the abilty to think critically.

Good luck, you’ll need it.


40 posted on 09/09/2010 11:19:08 AM PDT by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: Doomonyou

Here’s my take on it:

Pastor Terry Jones should screw the mainstream media by not showing up on Saturday. Think about it—the networks have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to move all their resources to Gainesville,Florida, for a spectacle that they believe will stir up a catastrophe.

They have rented hundreds of motel rooms for their crews; rented or bought other goods and services—all of this boosts Gainesville’s lagging aconomy.

Now, Terry, stand them up. Don’t go to your church on Saturday (take off for an unknown location.) Let the Gainesville cops and the Sheriff’s office stand there all day, wasting precious LEA resources. Let them all sweat in the Florida sunlight, munched on by mosquitoes and gnats; wasting a good Saturday when they could be home watching football!

Screw MSNBC; CNN; and Al Jazeera. Screw the mayor of Gainesville. Screw all the blithering idiots who will come to looky-loo or to protest. Make it a non-event.

After all, people—if Anderson Cooper was going to be YOUR date—would you show up???

Be a no-show and rip them all off!


41 posted on 09/09/2010 11:21:55 AM PDT by Palladin (Remember Lepanto--Sink the Mosque!)
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To: Doomonyou
slamist movement, which is an ideologically extreme perversion of the Islamic faith.

Uh, you might want to read the history of islam, Mr. Colton

42 posted on 09/09/2010 11:25:55 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: darkside321

“Why oh why does this remind me of the Nazis???”

Because it’s evil. Hopefully the people saying that kind of thing are just spouting off thoughtlessly.


43 posted on 09/09/2010 11:26:25 AM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: Doomonyou

Sort of ‘Jesus is my Lord and Savior but He was wrong about caring for the poor, that’s socialism. He was also wrong about loving your enemies for that makes him a terrorist supporter. Now I’m going to strap on my 40 caliber and advocate killing my enemies. It is my duty to bring Jesus up to date. I say this is a religious war and it is my duty to start Armageddon so the Jones’ spaceship can take me up.’

It seems that this guy is drunk on endtimes Koolaid and his 15 minutes of fame are fleeting.


44 posted on 09/09/2010 11:27:19 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: brownsfan

Right, thanks...and I also don’t have the ability to comfortably wear blinders and see and think only what I want.


45 posted on 09/09/2010 11:28:24 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Doomonyou

That’s it?

Chuck Coloson is against this koran burning based on comments from an extremely liberal theologian and a general who burns Bibles?

Why not add in Obama’s comments too? (”stunt”)

Yeah. That’ll convice us.

/sarc


46 posted on 09/09/2010 11:32:32 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: darkside321
Let me guess first we should nuke every country where muslims are a majority and after this i guess we should start to clean our own “house”. Sounds wonderfull maybe we should build teams and march trough our cities and drag every man, women and kid who has muslim faith out of their houses on the streets to give them a headshot! right?

Why bother? A lot of people here are drooling with delight at everything you just said. If you advocate anything but rabid, unconditional, undiscerning, Hitlerian (yes, I said it: Hitlerian) treatment of every Muslim-ish person on Earth, you must be a "sympathetic, pro-appeasement commie." Someone needs to introduce FR to the concept of false dichotomy.
47 posted on 09/09/2010 11:33:00 AM PDT by Julia H. (This tagline for rent--Only $999.99/month!)
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To: Allegra
Hi Allegra!

I am glad you understood my sarcasm. Our problem is that there is no sense... common or otherwise... in our government today. Rush is on top of this right now. The imam of the VICTORY mosque has threatened us today with “radical elements within the United States as well as overseas” killing Americans. America is going to allow political correctness to destroy our Nation... if Patriots do not step up. This imam is not a citizen... he has threatened our nation and our people... he should be deported and sent to yemen... with a GPS chip under his skin. Drone bait.

LLS

48 posted on 09/09/2010 11:36:22 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Julia H.

Looks it it has allready happened.
my comments have just been removed!
Wow this was quick. Ok i admit i´m against genocide so
this is enought to remove my posts?


49 posted on 09/09/2010 11:36:58 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: Palladin

I like your thinking.


50 posted on 09/09/2010 11:37:17 AM PDT by Julia H. (This tagline for rent--Only $999.99/month!)
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