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Economist's views on Muslims spark controversy in Germany
Washington Post ^ | September 9, 2010 | Anthony Faiola

Posted on 09/09/2010 4:19:50 PM PDT by neverdem

BERLIN - The most talked about man in Germany is a 65-year-old economist whose hot new book and sudden groundswell of popular support have the media dubbing him a folk hero. But that is not the only thing they are calling Thilo Sarrazin these days.

Some are also calling him dangerous. Sarrazin, a board member of the German Central Bank, has divided the nation by postulating the theory that Germany is being "dumbed down" by Muslim immigrants and their children. Wielding statistics and scientific arguments both in his book and in public comments, he delves into territory largely taboo here since the Holocaust, suggesting that "hereditary factors" are at least partly to blame. Turks and Kurdish immigrants, he asserts, are genetically predisposed to lower intelligence than Germans and other ethnic groups, including Jews.

His statements have shocked many in Germany not only because of a national sensitivity to anything remotely smacking of genetic superiority claims in the post-World War II era. What has also shocked many is that so many Germans have rallied to his side as the central bank and his political party have sought to oust him for his pronouncements.

Though most of his backers are publicly distancing themselves from his genetic arguments, they are lauding him as a straight-talker willing to address the problem of Muslim immigrants, who often eschew German language and culture. By throwing political correctness to the wind, they say, he has dared to speak the truth about higher immigrant unemployment, birthrates and welfare rates.

Among Germany's population of 82 million, about 5 percent are Muslims, most of Turkish descent. A poll published in the national magazine Focus this week showed 31 percent of respondents agreeing that Germany is "becoming dumber" because of immigrants, with 62 percent calling Sarrazin's comments "justified" and 52...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Germany; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kurds; sarrazin; thilosarrazin; turks

1 posted on 09/09/2010 4:19:52 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Rush talked about this guy yesterday. Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 09/09/2010 4:21:41 PM PDT by library user
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To: neverdem

Of course the Washington Compost just had to equate this man with those in the US that don’t want the mosque to be built at ground zero.

The Journolistas playbook is getting very old and stale.


3 posted on 09/09/2010 4:25:07 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: neverdem

One wonders whether he has read “The Bell Curve.” I bet he has.


4 posted on 09/09/2010 4:25:24 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: library user

I think everyone is getting the point when it comes to Islam - they are pushing into everyone’s life - and people are taking notice...the reason why I wrote what I did...

My experiences and the exploits in Operation Iraqi Freedom
(Babylon’s Covert War) - fist handed account!

Good for him to come out and say what needs to be said!!!


5 posted on 09/09/2010 4:26:01 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: neverdem

“groundswell of popular support” or a controversy, as MSM puts it...


6 posted on 09/09/2010 4:29:49 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: neverdem

The Germans were dead wrong about the Jews in the 1930’ & 40s. Since the end of WW2 I don’t ever recall hearing about a Jew blowing themselves up in a German resteraunt. There isn’t any mistaking Islam and it’s intentions. Muslims make it more than plain about how they feel about everything(always ‘’offended’’) They make threats where ever they go, they kill people, a lot, they do that an awful lot, the killing I mean. And they say that someday soon we’re all going to be living under Sharia law and if we don’t like that, in fact if we don’t like anything Islam does and we say so, we’re all a bunch of hateful bigots. I wouldn’t want to see a “Final Soultion2’’ but if Germany or any other Western nation wants to take a hard line to Islam, so be it. If the Saracens can dish it out then they can take it too.


7 posted on 09/09/2010 4:29:54 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: neverdem

I wonder if there are any other countries out there that are being dumbed down by “immmigrants”? Hmmm


8 posted on 09/09/2010 4:30:29 PM PDT by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: neverdem

Same thing is happening here.. I would not call it “genetic” but there are some groups of people that for various reasons, do not do well in school ... that pulls down the upward mobility and achievement rates of the entire nation..


9 posted on 09/09/2010 4:36:22 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: neverdem

I don’t think it’s genetics. I think it’s Islam that makes them dumb and incapable of learning.


10 posted on 09/09/2010 4:39:02 PM PDT by livius
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To: neverdem

Genetics has nothing to do with it. Islam since the 12th century, when Al Gazhali’s ideas triumphed over the rationalism of Averroes and Avicenna, has held occasionalism as its epistemology, with the result that it is incompatible with science, encourages fatalism, and with it sloth in learning and commerce.


11 posted on 09/09/2010 4:39:51 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: RnMomof7

Any socialist government likes to dumb down its people — so much easier to control and manipulate them. It’s called: “Leave no child behind i.e. support the lowest common denominator.”


12 posted on 09/09/2010 4:43:20 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: The_Reader_David
"Islam since the 12th century, when Al Gazhali’s ideas triumphed over the rationalism of Averroes and Avicenna, has held occasionalism as its epistemology, with the result that it is incompatible with science, encourages fatalism, and with it sloth in learning and commerce."


Jackpot!
13 posted on 09/09/2010 5:07:39 PM PDT by rob777
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To: neverdem

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14 posted on 09/09/2010 5:17:51 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: neverdem
. . . Germany is being "dumbed down" by Muslim immigrants and their children.

So they are not rocket scientists, then? Someone should tell NASA.

15 posted on 09/09/2010 5:37:19 PM PDT by sportutegrl (This explains a lot.)
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To: 999replies

If they would go home, they could raise the IQ of both countries!


16 posted on 09/09/2010 5:39:24 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: sportutegrl

good one. LOL


17 posted on 09/09/2010 5:45:42 PM PDT by Mr_Peter
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To: neverdem
It seems rather strange that here in the USA people can portray white red necks and trailer dwellers as inferior with out any statistics but do it with statistics and they call you racist.
18 posted on 09/09/2010 5:52:55 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 999replies

“I wonder if there are any other countries out there that are being dumbed down by “immmigrants”? Hmmm”
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No, just a lot of places being made into paradise on Earth by “diversity”. I can’t stand paradise on Earth.


19 posted on 09/09/2010 6:21:34 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: livius

“I don’t think it’s genetics. I think it’s Islam that makes them dumb and incapable of learning.”
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You don’t need a doctorate to figure that out, do you?


20 posted on 09/09/2010 6:23:42 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: penelopesire

>> the Washington Compost <<

LOLOLOLOL! Good one!


21 posted on 09/09/2010 6:53:05 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Ve'al kulam eloha s'lichot, s'lach lanu, m'chal lanu, kaper lanu.)
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To: neverdem

Preserving The Islamic Identity in The West Threats & Solutions

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/preserveident.htm

EXCERPT:

If a Muslim associates with the Kuffar, he will make efforts to ‘fit in’ with this group. In order to ‘fit in’ we must act like Australians. Fitting in typically consists of adjusting our Islam to a religion more acceptable to the Kuffar we are associating w ith so intimately. It is this that gives rise to what Sayyid Qutb would call an apologetic mindset. Where Muslims feel inclined to explain every ‘strange behaviour’ to the disbelievers. “ Well, those people who blow up busses in Israel.. they are not real Muslims”.

Often the first thing Muslims will modify is their style of dress. Whilst a seemingly trivial change, it often represents more than what it seems. When a Muslim sees the Kafirs dressed in a certain way, and chooses to imitate them to ‘fit in ‘, it’s a compromise. Once a Muslim has compromised once, it becomes easier to compromise again. The beard gets shaved. The Hijab comes off. Halal meat gives way to Haram meat. Perhaps even a drink with his ‘mates’ after work becomes permissible. Eventually the Muslim is left with a watered-down, Kafir-friendly Islam that often bears more resemblance to the beliefs of the Mushrik than the Mo’min.

Muslims must be aware of the hidden effects of this. Furthermore, the best protection is to keep amongst other Muslims. Whilst it is a necessity for some contact with the Kuffar, we should limit it to the bare minimum and make sincere efforts to offset it with contact with other Muslims. This is an important part of keeping our Islamic identity and indeed keeping Islam alive in this country.

The points mentioned are a few of many. Every aspect of Kafir society is designed to mislead us from the straight path, even if we cannot see it.

CONCLUSION

Narrated Samara bin Jundub, Allah’s Messenger (saws) said:

” Anybody (from among the Muslims) who meets, gathers together, lives, and stays with a Mushrik, and agrees to his ways, opinions, etc. and enjoys his living with him (Mushrik) then he (that Muslim) is like him (Mushrik)” [Sunan Abu Dawud - The Book of Jihad]

There is a defense that can be applied that will render every effort by the Kuffar useless, and serve to keep our Islamic identity intact. This defence is knowledge. The Muslim should arm himself with a correct Aqeedah and an awareness of what it means to be Muslim. Any attack, any attempt to subvert or mislead will then be in vain. If the Muslim knows the true nature of this society and if he can see how it is designed to mislead, then he will not fall into its traps. This ability to distinguish from right and wrong and chose right comes from a correct Aqeedah.

The strength of the family unit is also a defence. The father is the shepherd of the household and like any other shepherd he should protect his flock from the wolves. In this case the wolves are the Kuffar, and the protection is to pass the knowledge onto the children and his wives. The children should be provided with a sound Islamic education outside of their schooling. This is imperative if the children are to be strong enough to avoid the many pitfalls they w ill face. They should be taught that the only truth in this world is the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws) and that all else must be judged against these two noble criterion.

Finally, there is a solution guaranteed to remove the risks, and that is to remove oneself from amongst the disbelievers.

It is therefore unavoidable that as long as we live here we will, through a process of cultural osmosis, take on some of the characteristics of the Kuffar. The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that of fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim land whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.

GOODBYE! AND DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE BEHIND ON YOUR WAY OUT!


22 posted on 09/09/2010 7:02:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (clinic!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for the link & excerpts.


23 posted on 09/09/2010 9:27:55 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Has it been translated yet?...for sale in the US?


24 posted on 09/09/2010 9:34:28 PM PDT by ken5050 (The meek shall inherit the earth, but no way Kendrick Meek beats Marco Rubio)
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To: neverdem

Democrats have been “dumbing down” America for decades.

That explains why they get along with their Muslim con-conspirators.

Evil begets evil.


25 posted on 09/09/2010 9:37:31 PM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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