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Secretary Gates Called Pastor Jones, Defense Department Confirms
ABCNews.com ^ | 09/09/2010 | Luis Martinez

Posted on 09/09/2010 4:22:50 PM PDT by OldDeckHand

Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell confirmed to the Pentagon press corps that Defense Secretary Robert Gates called Florida pastor Terry Jones this afternoon to express his “grave concerns” about a planned Koran burning because it could place US military lives at risk.

Morrell said Gates placed a call between 4 and 4:30 p.m. today and engaged the pastor in a “very brief conversation."

"The Secretary expressed his grave concerns to the pastor that going forward with the Koran burning would put the lives of American servicemembers at risk, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan and he urged him not to proceed with the burning," he said.

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This is probably the reason he actually decided not to burn it, given the time-frame.
1 posted on 09/09/2010 4:22:52 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

We’re a nation of cowards. Holder was right. I hope Gates has unbunched his pink panties.


2 posted on 09/09/2010 4:24:56 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: OldDeckHand

Im sorry I feel sick about this whole thing. This was a non story. It took onebig doofus, and the media went beserk over it. What was the goal? Does everyone feel better. I actually feel worse and think we look weak and ridiculous. We are a laughing stock to the world.


3 posted on 09/09/2010 4:26:11 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: OldDeckHand

Muslims and their threats win again.

And again.

And again.


4 posted on 09/09/2010 4:26:29 PM PDT by mojito
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To: OldDeckHand

During ww2 people burned books by the germans and the japs no one said a thing saying ohhhhh it might hurt our men and women over seas. Oh please don’t say anything bad about the Nazi and the Japs it might get our men hurt. BS!


5 posted on 09/09/2010 4:26:57 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: historyrepeatz

Did Gates also make a plea to the religion of peace to cease their murder threats against innocents?

Na.


6 posted on 09/09/2010 4:26:57 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: historyrepeatz

Can we please page General Schwarzkopf now... we need The Bear back!

LLS


7 posted on 09/09/2010 4:28:15 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: GoCards
What was the goal?

To condition us into accepting government control of free speech... at least when the speech is against Islam. Just another step in the Islamification of America.

8 posted on 09/09/2010 4:28:51 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: GoCards

This non-story reminds me very much of the balloon boy fiasco.

We can expect more of this from the idiots in the cablenews business. Namely Wolf Blitzer and Anderson Cooper.


9 posted on 09/09/2010 4:28:57 PM PDT by Palladin (Remember Lepanto--Sink the Mosque!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Honor killings in the USA -— no problem.
Terrorism in the USA at Army bases —— no problem
911 Atrocities -— downgraded to ‘no problem’
ROE watered down to ‘plain stupid’ -— no problem
Americans murdered by Islam -— no problem

burn some toliet paper -— STOP THE PRESSES


10 posted on 09/09/2010 4:29:12 PM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: roses of sharon

lets see here, you’re on a battle field in a life or death fight ... how could the risks be higher?


11 posted on 09/09/2010 4:29:18 PM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: LibLieSlayer

I’d rather have Patton.


12 posted on 09/09/2010 4:30:55 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GoCards

“Im sorry I feel sick about this whole thing. This was a non story. It took onebig doofus, and the media went beserk over it. What was the goal? Does everyone feel better. I actually feel worse and think we look weak and ridiculous. We are a laughing stock to the world.”

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My wife and I just said pretty much the same things over dinner tonight. Our country is in the hands of politically correct cowards.


13 posted on 09/09/2010 4:31:12 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: OldDeckHand

EXACTLY what the 1st Amendment was written to prevent: Government intervention in our right to freely speak our minds.


14 posted on 09/09/2010 4:31:32 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: OldDeckHand

I bet they made him an “offer” he couldn’t refuse. At least this pastor brought a lot of attention to how tolerant muslims are.


15 posted on 09/09/2010 4:33:12 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (Proud Infidel)
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To: OldDeckHand

So, Gates, 0bummer, and a whole slew of people got their panties upcracked because of one pastor of a Congregation of some 50. Pastor then decided not to burn the Koran after these consultations.......doing this in good faith that relations with Islamists will thereby be improved. Having put the ball in the Islamists’ court (so to speak) what will be their like gestures in return?


16 posted on 09/09/2010 4:33:48 PM PDT by Islander2
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To: Diogenesis

Terrorism at Army bases??

When?

That was “workplace violence”...the DOD said so!


17 posted on 09/09/2010 4:34:23 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: OldDeckHand

"Mr. Jones, remember that little thing called 'Waco'?"

18 posted on 09/09/2010 4:35:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Diogenesis

bttt


19 posted on 09/09/2010 4:35:57 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Our “leaders” should have said to the Islamic scum:

“This is our country and people are free to burn books and engage in other acts of free speech if they so choose.”

We are not going to stop them, because it is not within our Constitutionally Limited powers to so.”

“Thus, we aren’t going to do anything about it, and YOU are going to get over it”


20 posted on 09/09/2010 4:36:25 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: guitarplayer1953
Our men were killing nazis and tojo in WWII... today we have men killing our enemies... but at the same time the idiots running the civilian side also have them doing the impossible task of nation building. Never has worked... unless you completely destroy the enemy before attempting this act.

I am not in agreement with anyone stopping this Pastor from doing what he had intended to do... and I despise gates and the entire puppet leadership... they are of the weasley clark school of command... but the threat to our guys, forced to operate with both arms tied behind their backs and the enemy allowed anything they wish... is understandable. karzai and his band would more than likely aid our enemies in their evil. One cannot trust any muslim... by their own law... they can lie and even live as a non muslim, if it furthers the cause of islam. We should just nuke them all take any resources that are left... after the glow subsides.

LLS

21 posted on 09/09/2010 4:38:05 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Islander2

bend over, there’s the answer, tired of that Islamic shaft?
Wake up or perish America..Islam is satanic, islam should not be tolerated as a religion and as a national threat should be kicked out of this country while its still possible, if we as a people don’t have this level of nerve to remove this disease amoung us we are certainly willing to be slaves..


22 posted on 09/09/2010 4:38:44 PM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: OldDeckHand

Two-point plan:
1. Don’t antagonize them;
2. Back down & encourage them!


23 posted on 09/09/2010 4:38:47 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: OldDeckHand

What a joke our sec of defense is, to demean himself by stooping to dealing with such a person.


24 posted on 09/09/2010 4:38:58 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: tet68

Man I need to hear some eloquent profanity and see Military genius at work... be still my heart!

LLS


25 posted on 09/09/2010 4:39:23 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: EyeGuy
"Thus, we aren’t going to do anything about it, and YOU are going to get over it"

EyeGuy 2012!! ;)

26 posted on 09/09/2010 4:40:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: traviskicks

“What a joke our sec of defense is, to demean himself by stooping to dealing with such a person.”

####

Yeah, I hope he took a bath after talking to those Islamic thugs.


27 posted on 09/09/2010 4:41:14 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: traviskicks
“What a joke our sec of defense is, to demean himself by stooping to dealing with such a person.”

Why? He deals with that pos marxist, muslim, kenyan, usurper face to face.

LLS

28 posted on 09/09/2010 4:44:03 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: guitarplayer1953
"...the settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace. This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine. Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you. We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement, as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again."

"My good friends, this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. And now I recommend you to go home and sleep quietly in your beds."

~Neville Chamberlain

29 posted on 09/09/2010 4:44:41 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
30 posted on 09/09/2010 4:45:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Game, Set and Match...and End of Story.

If the world doesn't like that, they can Kiss my a...

31 posted on 09/09/2010 4:46:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: OldDeckHand

This entire episode is Hussein s fault and he needs to be held accountable for the damage he has done to this country.


32 posted on 09/09/2010 4:47:05 PM PDT by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: SF_Redux

Plenty. There are no front lines and there are shakey Afghan allies to consider. No one has their back when they
are patrolling in villes trying to convince inhabitants not to be afraid of the Taliban.

Noone sitting here safe and sound seems to give a flying f about anyone over there who face danger whilst trying to
accomplish their mission (which is not to nuke everything/everybody FR style).


33 posted on 09/09/2010 4:47:13 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Uh... Congress didn’t make a law! What’s the problem here?


34 posted on 09/09/2010 4:47:14 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Justice kegan has informed me that the US Constitution does not have standing.”

barry soetero


35 posted on 09/09/2010 4:47:28 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: GoCards
Chalk one up for Islam. Self-censorship under a threat of violence undermines our 1st amendment rights. The idea that the Secretary of Defense would call a private citizen to persuade him not to exercise his right of free speech is abhorrent. The Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and the WH Press Secretary weighed in before Obama did today.

We can burn bibles, American flags, put Christ in urine at taxpayers expense, but no public official gets involved. The most insidious threat to free expression is self-censorship. When the Danish cartoons resulted in attacks on Danish embassies around the globe, only two US newspapers were brave enough to publish any of the cartoons to show Americans what the fuss was about. And the NYT and WP weren't one of them.

36 posted on 09/09/2010 4:47:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: rahbert

Noone?

LLS


37 posted on 09/09/2010 4:49:07 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: GoCards
Our present government IS a laughing stock and the US looks weak and ridiculous...expect more shenanigans until we show some fortitude again.
38 posted on 09/09/2010 4:49:33 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: LibLieSlayer

We should just pray that it will stir them up in the mid east that way if they shot first we can kill them other wise we will sit around with our thumbs up our butts and do this stupid nation building which as soon as we leave it will be just as before.


39 posted on 09/09/2010 4:49:47 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

The Supreme Court has found that the executive branch and the states are also bound by the First Amendment.


40 posted on 09/09/2010 4:52:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
I agree completely. I used to not think so but islam has convinced me that they are beyond redemption and help. Certainly individuals can change and leave islam (if they are not murdered for doing so) but not the masses.

LLS

41 posted on 09/09/2010 4:53:28 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Ishmail vs. Issac, maybe?


42 posted on 09/09/2010 4:56:48 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: rahbert

Do you know that there have been 2 separate instances where Christian pastors have been arrested for witnessing to muslims here in the US?

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/09/gospelophobia-spreads-from-dearborn-to.html

It isn’t just the troops that we need to consider. If we lose our freedom of speech, as part of the creeping sharia, then the troops are fighting in vain.


43 posted on 09/09/2010 4:58:19 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: OldDeckHand
Did Sec. Gates bow to pastor Jones or is that only for Muslim generals?


44 posted on 09/09/2010 5:00:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

General Patton from War as I knew it.

“One cannot but ponder the question:
What if the Arabs had been Christians? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept developing...”


45 posted on 09/09/2010 6:04:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: OldDeckHand

The only reason we have, or use, our military is to defend our freedom.

Our troops are in Afghanistan to force a change there, not here.

Gates’ action was deeply contrary to his responsibilities.


46 posted on 09/09/2010 7:02:16 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: OldDeckHand
Islam Explained in Layman’s Terms

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77..5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.

Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep!

Obama appointed two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn’t this make you feel safer already? Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development and Kareem Shora as ADC National Executive Director.

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn’t this make you feel safer already??

Was it not “Devout Muslims” who flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago?

Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?

47 posted on 09/09/2010 7:18:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: historyrepeatz

Not me. I’m going to go to Barnes&Noble this week-end and buy me a Koran and toast it myself. We can all do that if we like.


48 posted on 09/09/2010 7:49:18 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Let me start by saying, I think this Pastor has the RIGHT to burn the Korans, but I think it is NOT the right thing to do.

But, with that being said, I have one question for Gen. Petraeus (sp) and Sec. Gates: Are our men and women in the military, in Iraq and Afghanistan NOT currently in danger?

Dumba$$es! Both of them, when it comes to this whole situation!


49 posted on 09/09/2010 8:13:38 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: B4Ranch
"Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century."

It's true that Muslim birth rates are higher than Christian birth rates, however there are many more Christians being added to the world population every day than Muslims because of conversions. The percentage of the world's population that is Christian is the highest it has ever been and is growing significantly faster than the world population at large. The future looks more Christian than Muslim.

50 posted on 09/09/2010 8:16:26 PM PDT by Ranald S. MacKenzie (It's the philosophy, stupid.)
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