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Truce Is Reached in Quran Drama
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 09-09-10 | JONATHAN WEISMAN, SHIRA OVIDE And TAMER EL-GHOBASHY

Posted on 09/09/2010 5:54:29 PM PDT by GOP_Lady

A Florida pastor backed away from plans to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11 after U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates phoned him, capping several surreal days of drama in which his plans ricocheted around the world, sowing anger among Muslims and concern at the Pentagon.

Mr. Gates's phone call, in which he warned Rev. Terry Jones that the planned event could imperil U.S. troops, came hours after President Barack Obama slammed Mr. Jones's plan as a "stunt" and "a recruitment bonanza for al Qaeda."

"Secretary Gates reached out to Pastor Jones this afternoon," a Pentagon official said. "They had a very brief phone conversation during which the Secretary expressed his grave concern" that the Quran-burning would put American forces at risk, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan. "He urged the Pastor not to proceed with it," the official said.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2bad; 2surrender2islam; 4thecommongood; gates; muslimvictory; quran; taqiya; taqiyah; taqiyya; terryjones; victory4islam; wsj

Thank you, Secretary Gates.
1 posted on 09/09/2010 5:54:32 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: 506Lake; AdvisorB; afraidfortherepublic; antivenom; angry elephant; Bernard; Blonde; ...


To be added or removed from the
"The Wall Street Journal" Ping List,
FReepmail
GOP_Lady.

2 posted on 09/09/2010 5:55:07 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady

Can you imagine the Allies in World War II taking a similar line? Hey, we can’t bomb Berlin, because that will make the Germans want to retaliate, and someone might get hurt.


3 posted on 09/09/2010 5:57:44 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: GOP_Lady

Is this before or after Trump made his offer and before or after the imam said no deal?

Aren’t we back to koran burning being ON? Or am I behind the developments at this point?

;-)


4 posted on 09/09/2010 5:58:38 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Can you imagine the Allies in World War II taking a similar line? Hey, we can’t bomb Berlin, because that will make the Germans want to retaliate, and someone might get hurt.


Or offend the Japanese because they might repeat the Bataan Death March.


5 posted on 09/09/2010 5:59:21 PM PDT by unkus
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To: bergmeid
Yes, I think it's a "go." Quran burning update by Rev. Terry Jones: We are a little back to square one, burning suspended, not canceled.
6 posted on 09/09/2010 5:59:32 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: GOP_Lady

I will have to have my own burning here in Colorado Springs.


7 posted on 09/09/2010 6:00:13 PM PDT by rfreedom4u ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.")
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To: unkus

Remember in the movie “Patton”, where the Germans couldn’t understand why there was so much fuss about Patton slapping the soldier.


8 posted on 09/09/2010 6:00:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GOP_Lady

Incidentally, I just ordered my own copy of the book from Amazon, and will be having a burning party some time in the near future. I encourage everybody to join me with burning ceremonies of their own.


9 posted on 09/09/2010 6:00:28 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: GOP_Lady

I wonder what Gates has on Jones. Something bad, apparently.


10 posted on 09/09/2010 6:01:03 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Oh, and I’ll probably use it for intimate hygiene purposes beforehand.


11 posted on 09/09/2010 6:01:43 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I agree and hope this goes viral across this nation. To be cowed by Islamics is the epitome of Euro-wussiness.


12 posted on 09/09/2010 6:02:28 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: GOP_Lady

Sheesh what a bunch of drama queens. Mullah Obama, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, General in Afghanistan all want exposure in the public domain over this nutter’s plan.


13 posted on 09/09/2010 6:03:32 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: GOP_Lady

Let me be clear. The FBI came down to Gainesville and had a little prayer meeting with the good pastor and put the fear of Obama in him. There will now not be a Koran burning. But by God there will be a Muslim Mosque built 2 blocks from Ground Zero.

Ask yourself how a a small 50 person church burning one book could cause an international wave of Muslim riots in foreign countries. Not to mention the wrath of the US Govt and the smear merchants on all channels including Fox News tonight. This tells you all you need to know about Islam. I hate to keep quoting the President of Eqypt but “There is no such thing as moderate Islam. There is only Islam” This is all you need to know about Islam. There may be much more to know about the curent occupant of the White House.


14 posted on 09/09/2010 6:03:43 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2
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To: dfwgator

Remember in the movie “Patton”, where the Germans couldn’t understand why there was so much fuss about Patton slapping the soldier.


Good scene. Most idiots today don’t realize we are up against ruthless bastards who would slit their throats in a New York minute. They are truly Useful Idiots.


15 posted on 09/09/2010 6:04:18 PM PDT by unkus
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To: GOP_Lady

” President Barack Obama slammed Mr. Jones’s plan as a “stunt”

Barry was so obtunded in the ABC interview that he looked to be
back on street drugs ( if he ever kicked )
or in in the throes of a major depressive episode.
There is no way any objective person could conclude
he “ slammed “ anything.
The video of Barry’s interview was so bad, it looked like it was playing in the wrong speed.


16 posted on 09/09/2010 6:05:01 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Think I'm going to go pick up a copy, soak it in bacon grease and let my dog play with it...

...photos to follow!

17 posted on 09/09/2010 6:05:01 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: bergmeid

The burning will be back on as soon as the Florida Pastor realizes he’s been duped.


18 posted on 09/09/2010 6:05:47 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: GOP_Lady
...his plans ricocheted around the world, sowing anger among Muslims...

His plans did not sow any anger whatsoever among Muslims. Muslims are already angry that the world is not Muslim. They are no less angry now. They would have been no more angry is the Pastor burned the Koran. And I can prove it: No matter what happened with the burning, Muslims still would - and still do - demand that every human being on planet Earth submit to Islam and Sharia law...

...or die.

That's called terminal anger. Terminal hate. Terminal murderous intent. It does not get worse, no matter how much it is inflamed. It does not ease up, no matter how much it is placated. It wants you enslaved, or dead. Period.

Period.

But don't believe me.

Ask a Muslim to go public with their answer.

Any Muslim, anywhere on the planet Earth.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

19 posted on 09/09/2010 6:05:57 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
There is no such thing as moderate Islam. There is only Islam

Islam is a trojan horse. It masquerades as only a religion, but in reality is also a state. We should treat Islam as a state.

20 posted on 09/09/2010 6:06:43 PM PDT by IamConservative (Two wrongs don't make a right, but you might get even.)
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To: GOP_Lady

It appears that Jones is rethinking calling off the burn event.


21 posted on 09/09/2010 6:07:50 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: unkus
Hey, we can’t bomb Berlin,

Bombing Berlin was strategically necessary to win the war.

I don't think 2 pastors burning a book is going to accomplish anything other than maybe inflaming some Iraqi's and Afgani's in areas where our soldiers have worked hard to build good relations with the townspeople.

22 posted on 09/09/2010 6:08:21 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Absolutely. Is he a radical jihadi or a stealth jihadi? (Monica Crowley terminology)


23 posted on 09/09/2010 6:10:45 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Hmm...bombing a big city, burning a book. Sounds like a solid analogy to me.


24 posted on 09/09/2010 6:11:35 PM PDT by Julia H. (This tagline for rent--Only $999.99/month!)
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To: FlyingEagle

I want Bloomberg’s opinion now that we know what islam really wants.


25 posted on 09/09/2010 6:11:46 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: fwdude

Well, it is easy for you to say but you are not the one over there in the middle east that has to try and deal with these psycotic people who think their book is akin to God almighty!


26 posted on 09/09/2010 6:12:01 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

****I encourage everybody to join me with burning ceremonies of their own.****

I want to see some creative youtube videos of koran burnings. Earlier I mentioned shooting a burning one from a cannon at the famous picture of the turban bomb mohammed. The mohammed picture should be big and soaked in flammable liquid for a really big show .


27 posted on 09/09/2010 6:13:33 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Prepare for battle and never forsake the Lord...unknown)
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To: Talisker

You’re right on the money. We need people to be educated about this cult. The sooner the better.


28 posted on 09/09/2010 6:13:45 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: GOP_Lady

Good grief...how embarrassing...really puts the lie to his “workplace violence” instead of terrorism report.


29 posted on 09/09/2010 6:14:23 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: fabian

Well good. I hope they finally get tired of the islamic curse and deal with it now. Might as well be rid of it.


30 posted on 09/09/2010 6:15:46 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Prepare for battle and never forsake the Lord...unknown)
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To: unkus
Hey, we can’t bomb Berlin, because that will make the Germans want to retaliate, and someone might get hurt.

Actually the Germans did retaliate by switching their bombings from military installations, to terror bombing London, a move which ultimately cost them the war, since it give relief to the military installations to make repairs.

31 posted on 09/09/2010 6:16:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Joe 6-pack

I hope people across the Nation videotape burnings of the koran and put them on the web or youtube (although, youtube probably won’t post them).

I’m sick to death of this P.C. crap that makes us appear wusses...

If the mooselimbs are too thin-skinned for freedom, let them get the hell out of our country.


32 posted on 09/09/2010 6:18:38 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: roses of sharon

Now don’t get PLABy on us, roses.


33 posted on 09/09/2010 6:25:21 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: ResponseAbility

Yes, a curse it is indeed. I think it is going to take Jesus coming back to do away that plagerized and wicked religion.


34 posted on 09/09/2010 6:29:31 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Siena Dreaming
I don't think 2 pastors burning a book is going to accomplish anything other than maybe inflaming some Iraqi's and Afgani's in areas where our soldiers have worked hard to build good relations with the townspeople.

So should we stop doing anything that offends all the people in Iraq and Afghanistan? Like stop letting women go out of the house without covering themselves with veils? Or maybe we should just forbid all of our young women from going to college? And I guess we should all stop going to church too.

If we are going to start behaving in a way intended to appease the radical muslims of the world, what is the point of having any military anywhere in Iraq or Afghanistan? We might as well just say we're planning to adopt Sharia law here and get it over with.

Any even slightly educated person, muslim or not, knows that the actions of some wacky guy in Florida with a congregation of perhaps 50 people don't represent the beliefs of Americans. The people that will "believe" the propaganda made from whatever the guy in Florida does also believe every other bit of nonsensical propaganda produced by their radical leaders or posted on the internet.

It is ridiculous to shape our behavior in order to please or try to please people who fundamentally don't believe our way of life, or our beliefs are worthy of any respect. We should instead tell them that they can either choose to accept our way of life, and leave us alone, or suffer the consequences. Our military can deliver those consequences, and presumably many of those townspeople in Iraq and Afghanistan have seen that firsthand. I'm sure much more of their "friendship" comes from seeing what an A-10 or an Apache does than whatever they see on the news about our country.

35 posted on 09/09/2010 6:30:51 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Mortrey
I was kind of ambivalent towards Pastor Jones...his links to Phelps make me kind of uncomfortable and question his motives, and while I thought the koran burning was kind of amusing, and would expose the muzzies for what they are, I also had to ask if it wasn't really much ado about nothing.

That ended yesterday, when General Petraeus and others at the highest level of the FedGov started trying to talk him out of it. Screw them. Burn, baby burn.

36 posted on 09/09/2010 6:32:16 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: GOP_Lady

I am sure I won’t since I haven’t a clue what that means.


37 posted on 09/09/2010 6:35:39 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Talisker

I wasn’t in favor of Jones’ action, but I think it really wouldn’t matter whether he burned the Koran or not because, as you say, Muslims were already angry and always will be angry. In fact, even if all the world were Muslim, they’d still be angry and they’d spend their time killing each other (as they do all the time even now).

It’s a cult based on anger, hatred, resentment and violence; it always has been and it always will be.


38 posted on 09/09/2010 6:46:06 PM PDT by livius
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Can you imagine the Allies in World War II taking a similar line? Hey, we can’t bomb Berlin, because that will make the Germans want to retaliate, and someone might get hurt.

November 30, 1942 - Casablanca, North Africa

General Eisenhower, commander of US Army forces in North Africa, announced today that he condemns the plans of a midwest preacher back in the USA to burn a pile of Adolf Hitler's book "Mein Kampf" on December 7, 1942. The preacher claims he is doing such to remind Americans of the vicious sneak attack by Axis powers that occurred one year ago and as an expression of one of the Four Freedoms our military is fighting to defend. Also as a message to the NAZIs and other Axis powers of what Americans think about their ideology for world conquest.

At his headquarters, General Eisenhower stated that; "This is a foolhardy act that will have severe repurcussions to our men on the front lines. Showing such disrespect for the National Socialism ideology is likely to inflame the NAZI troopers in the Africa Korp in a way that will make them intensifiy their attacks against our men engaged in combat against them, causing an increase in American casualties. How can we expect to win this war if we insult the purpose and motivation of those we are fighting against."

It's just as stupid now as it was back then.

39 posted on 09/09/2010 6:56:17 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: fabian
The Muslim fanatics don't need an excuse to hate us and attack our troops; that attitude is firmly in place anyway. What was done before 9/11 to encourage that?

If we capitulate, it makes us look weak. And believe me, sharks move in on prey they perceive as weak.

40 posted on 09/09/2010 6:57:43 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

there will be a Muslim Mosque built 2 blocks from Ground Zero.
* * * *

No, there won’t.


41 posted on 09/09/2010 6:59:34 PM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: GOP_Lady
"How about this, instead of their building a mosque next to Ground Zero, we build a Ground Zero next to the Grand Mosque in Mecca?"

Freeper muawiyah

42 posted on 09/09/2010 7:02:45 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

I agree.


43 posted on 09/09/2010 7:26:18 PM PDT by unkus
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To: freeandfreezing
The people that will "believe" the propaganda made from whatever the guy in Florida does also believe every other bit of nonsensical propaganda produced by their radical leaders or posted on the internet.

Yes, you are dealing with very cloistered, perhaps in some cases even Stone Age people who do believe things that are deemed ridiculous by more educated peoples.

No, we should not stop doing all things which might offend. But when something catches on like this which has gained headlines internationally and which obviously will be widely used for a recruitment tool, it is good strategy to try to get the party responsible to desist for the security of the innocent. It's all part of war strategy...the propoganda aspect.

44 posted on 09/09/2010 8:14:25 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Canedawg

Oh it will be built, but it won’t stand for long until some unfortunate “accident” befalls it.


45 posted on 09/09/2010 8:17:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: fwdude

There is a final war coming...but to provoke through burning their God is a bit stupid.


46 posted on 09/09/2010 10:02:02 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: GOP_Lady

Oooppps ... Sorry, Roses, that was meant for somone on another of my WSJ posts. Someone asked what the letters “PLAB” meant.


47 posted on 09/10/2010 10:17:56 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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