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Burning The Quran
Investor's Business Daily ^ | September 10, 2010 | Investors Business Daily staff

Posted on 09/09/2010 7:54:18 PM PDT by raptor22

Hypocrisy: When the U.S. Army burned Bibles in Afghanistan, no one said a word. When churches burn around the world, crickets chirp. Burning Qurans in Florida is stupid and offensive, but so is the double standard.

When President Obama gave a speech at Georgetown University, a Catholic institution, he asked that all images and symbols representing Jesus Christ be covered so as not to be in the frame of any videos or photos of the event. There were no reports of rioting.

Nor did Christians riot when Christian U.S. Army soldiers attempted to hand out Bibles to Afghans in their native language. The soldiers were stopped, and the Bibles were confiscated and burned with the daily trash.

We do not endorse book burning or the burning of the holy book of any religion. We'd advise Pastor Terry Jones of the 50-member Dove World Outreach Center against going through with his planned Quran burning on Saturday, Sept. 11, the day the World Trade Center and the people inside burned in 2001.

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1 posted on 09/09/2010 7:54:24 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; 70th Division; ...

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2 posted on 09/09/2010 7:56:25 PM PDT by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: raptor22

I’ll say it again, after spending the sums they have to erect two regimes in which Christianity isn’t even legal while ignoring major persecution of Christians in the world, the federal government has no standing to cry over any sort of koran burning in America.


3 posted on 09/09/2010 7:58:48 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: raptor22

I’ve posted this before:

IMHO, Sharia law, since it advocates putting in place, through violence if necessary, a governmental model that is diametrically opposed to ours, should be outlawed.

There’s freedom of speech and then there’s overthrow of the US government.


4 posted on 09/09/2010 8:04:44 PM PDT by upchuck (If we let the federal gvmnt live beyond its means, we will soon have to live below ours. ~Joe Miller)
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To: raptor22

It’s not a religion and if it were it would still be okay to burn their holy book. In this case it’s okay to burn their war manual.


5 posted on 09/09/2010 8:10:45 PM PDT by gotribe (Got no use for muslims)
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To: raptor22

When the DEVOUT MUSLIM President Obama gave a speech at Georgetown University, a Catholic institution, he asked that all images and symbols representing Jesus Christ be covered so as not to be in the frame of any videos or photos of the event.

This is to prevent pictures being posted on the Internet that might give the impression that he is not a DEVOUT MUSLIM.


6 posted on 09/09/2010 8:14:23 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: gotribe

I have a copy of the Quran. It never occurred to me to burn it until now.


7 posted on 09/09/2010 8:15:24 PM PDT by Misterioso (Burning The Koran is a victimless crime.)
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To: raptor22

A couple of things percolating just below the surface of all this is the simple fact that Islam is incompatible with individual freedom and democracy and the US constitution. Muslim are going berserk over the possibility that someone might burn some Korans. What they refuse to accept is that they cannot come into a free nation and demand that free citizens respect and observe their religious beliefs and prohibitions that are in no way against the law.

The other thing is the ever present threat of violence from Muslims whose hypersensitive pysches are so easily offended. There were many death threats to the “Everybody Draw Mohammed” organizer, and to this pastor, and to several entertainers who schedule concerts in Israel. Muslims are always ready to threaten riots and pass along death threats to those who don’t avoid all behaviors that might offend them.

Muslims are incapable of respecting the freedoms and beliefs of others, and should not be living in free societies - one of the West’s greatest mistakes ever.


8 posted on 09/09/2010 8:17:18 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
The other thing is the ever present threat of violence from Muslims whose hypersensitive pysches are so easily offended

They behave like pack animals.

9 posted on 09/09/2010 8:21:46 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: raptor22

firewithfire


10 posted on 09/09/2010 8:30:37 PM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: raptor22

“My message to the Christian community in Malaysia,” Rauf said in reaction, “is that using the word Allah to mean the Christian God may be theologically and legally correct, but in the context of Malaysia, it is socially provocative. If you want to have influence with people in Malaysia, you must find a way to convey your message without provoking this kind of response.”

Yeah, it’s always the other guy’s fault when it comes to Muslim sensibilities (if there were such a thing)

Rauf just needs to keep opening his mouth. This guy is very slick but he can’t help himself as he’s a serious Islamist. Keep the spotlight on him and let him freewheel.

I hope Jones keeps hammering on Rauf and makes him stand up and explain why he’s not amenable to a reasonable offer to move the mosque and stop the bloodshed on the part of Rauf’s co-religionists. The more he talks, the more he exposes Islam’s motives and agenda.


11 posted on 09/09/2010 8:35:33 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: raptor22

“We’d advise Pastor Terry Jones of the 50-member Dove World Outreach Center against going through with his planned Quran burning on Saturday, Sept. 11”

I feel like we’re living through “Night of the Living Wimps”.


12 posted on 09/09/2010 8:36:05 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: upchuck
IMHO, Sharia law, since it advocates putting in place, through violence if necessary, a governmental model that is diametrically opposed to ours, should be outlawed.

Agreed.
I'm against the book burning - but any 'philosophy/way of life/cult' based on the koran/hadith should not be covered by the First Amendment. The Brits in the mid-1800s did not condone the practice of the Thuggee 'religion', and civilizations that desire to survive should not condone a religion based on the koran/hadith. These books exhort its followers to overthrow and destroy those that don't join their club...

13 posted on 09/09/2010 8:38:22 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: raptor22

The “sissification” of America, started by Pat “Tailhook” Schroeder, is finally complete. A nut job gets his 5 minutes of glory on TV and we crap our pants! What a pathetic bunch of sorry asses we have become. We can put the crucifix in a bottle of urine and call it art and it is PRAISED. We can burn our flag and say it is constitutionally protected. We can ban the name of Jesus in Navy prayer and the bible in the military. BUT, let’s not offend Muslims? NUTZ!!


14 posted on 09/09/2010 8:39:58 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Listening to Rusty Humphries tonight. Apparently Rev. Terry Jones went to Cape Girardeau High School with Rush. Just wait ‘til the leftists get hold of that...


15 posted on 09/09/2010 8:41:20 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: upchuck

You know, that’s a good point. The Constitution does not endorse its own destruction. Not even if the attacker cloaks itself in the guise of a religion.


16 posted on 09/09/2010 8:41:30 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Instead of building a grand mosque at Ground Zero, let's build a Ground Zero at their Grand Mosque.)
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To: raptor22

Any religion or group that’s so intolerant as to threaten mass violence and mass murder over the burning of a book, doesn’t belong anywhere in America.


17 posted on 09/09/2010 8:43:30 PM PDT by TruthFactor (The Death of Nations: Pornography, Homosexuality, Abortion)
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To: raptor22
My middle-ground offering was to have the church simply read the Koran out loud for a day. Here are some wonderful suras:

5:33 - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

8:12 - "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."

And then there is this wonderful bit from the Hadith:

Ibn Ishaq 764 - After amassing a powerful army, Muhammad sent his forces to take the peaceful farming community of Khaybar by surprise. In the aftermath, he was dissatisfied with the amount of plunder and felt that the town’s treasurer, Kinana, might be holding out on him. He had the man brought to him:

When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.”

Maybe something was just lost in translation because Islam is the religion of peace.

18 posted on 09/09/2010 8:44:31 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: raptor22

Burning the Koran is a bad idea. Putting the Koran in a big clear jar of urine surrounded by Robert Mapplethorpe photographs is art.


19 posted on 09/09/2010 8:45:04 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: Moonman62

I’d say, Zero, how ‘bout you READ the Koran on TV for all to hear?


20 posted on 09/09/2010 8:48:22 PM PDT by txhurl
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I can download the quran and delete it on my computer or put it in the trash/recycle bin -— what is the difference?


21 posted on 09/09/2010 8:56:20 PM PDT by Heartlander (You are either the doer, or the dude)
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To: All
I'm going to eat nothing but pork for a week and use this...


22 posted on 09/09/2010 8:58:29 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: gotribe

YOu got that right! I was telling my son that very thing last night, that the Koran is a manual of war against non-believers - predecessor to Mein Kampf.


23 posted on 09/09/2010 9:00:11 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: wendy1946
"I’ll say it again, after spending the sums they have to erect two regimes in which Christianity isn’t even legal while ignoring major persecution of Christians in the world, the federal government has no standing to cry over any sort of koran burning in America."

Bravo Wendy. I wouldn't burn one either, because I don't like it when someone burns the flag. But if someone wants to burn one, burn it. Burn a thousand of them, I don't give a fat rats @$$.

If some camel jockey gets his panties in a bunch and feels murderous about it, tell our boys over there to lock and load. Tell the folks here in the US to lock and load too.

If thats all it takes for them to want to kill, we don't want or need them here anyway.

That ground zero mosque imam gave a glimpse of the fututre when he said "The ground zero mosque has to be handled correctly or there will be violence".

So let me get this straight. We CAN'T change the place of that mosque, and we CAN'T burn a koran, and we CAN'T publish any cartooms of that pedophile they worship, and we CAN'T make any movies that depict Islam in a bad light...or there will be violence...

Anyone care to guess what the next thing we CAN'T do will be?

Burn that koran. Burn all of them, and lets get the party started. It'll start sooner or later anyway...whenever we decide as a society that enough's enough. We should decide that now and nip this thing in the bud.

24 posted on 09/09/2010 9:01:36 PM PDT by libs_kma (Maybe they talk about him like a dog because he's treating this country like a fire hydrant")
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To: Sioux-san
Heinrich Himmler's Remarkable Admiration For Islam: "It Promises Beautiful Women In Heaven"
25 posted on 09/09/2010 9:03:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: raptor22

Another cowardly response to the burning of everything American or Christian by moslums.

yes yES YES BURN THE KORAN. Islum is at war with US. Tolerance will not win the war.


26 posted on 09/09/2010 9:03:31 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Heartlander

What the minister is doing is the theological equivalent of Luther nailing his theses to the door of the Church at Wurtemberg, or Ferdinand and Isabella driving the last Muslim bastards out of Grenada.

Its a public statement of defiance and anger, not a private meaningless act.

And THAT is why the Saudi-bankrolled elitists and politically correct intimidated wimps are crying and wringing their hands.

A double standard - one of Muslims and one of “unbelievers” - and THAT is PRECISELY what ISLAM is ALL ABOUT!!!

How stupid can the opponents of the Koran burning GET?????


27 posted on 09/09/2010 9:05:04 PM PDT by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization)
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To: raptor22

If the Mosque goes up anywhere near ground zero, I’ll burn every Quran I can get my hands on.


28 posted on 09/09/2010 9:07:36 PM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: ElectronVolt

Splendid idea!


29 posted on 09/09/2010 9:09:14 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: raptor22

Books should not be burned - they are the seeds of knowledge. Anyone who burns books is no better than the Nazis of the 1930’s - or the firemen of Farenheit 451 ...

Likewise, violence should not ensue simply because books are burned - violence over burning a book is the seed of stupidity [unless, of course, it is the last book] ...


30 posted on 09/09/2010 9:12:46 PM PDT by Lmo56 (</i><p>)
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To: Heartlander; xzins; High-tech Redneck; streetpreacher; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; ohioWfan
I can download the quran and delete it on my computer or put it in the trash/recycle bin -— what is the difference?

ROFLOL! That is classic!

On September 11 we should all do that.

If you have a shredding program you can really delete it.

31 posted on 09/09/2010 9:18:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Heartlander

“I can download the quran and delete it on my computer or put it in the trash/recycle bin -— what is the difference?”

Exactly - or “burn”” it onto a CD and then smash it with a hammer and called it “art”.

But I still think the public burning is overall a stupid idea. Legal, yes. Clever - no.

Or just take a copy and use it as target practice - who’s gonna stop you?


32 posted on 09/09/2010 9:20:47 PM PDT by NotThere
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To: Misterioso
I have a copy of the Quran. It never occurred to me to burn it until now.

I'd burn one, but I'm opposed to spending hard earned cash on trash. Anyone know of a website where you can light a match to one on line?

33 posted on 09/09/2010 9:22:52 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: raptor22

Never owned a koran, wonder if Half Priced Books is sold out already?


34 posted on 09/09/2010 9:25:08 PM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: Will88

Death to Islam! :)


35 posted on 09/09/2010 9:26:28 PM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: ZULU
No offense, but it's ironic that it is compared to Luther - he was made known due to the printing press… This is a new age of printing - why would downloading the quran and deleting it electronically be different? I could print it on toilette paper… I can print it on Canadian bacon… Its online to desecrate any way one sees fit…
36 posted on 09/09/2010 9:32:46 PM PDT by Heartlander (You are either the doer, or the dude)
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To: SouthTexas
Never owned a koran, wonder if Half Priced Books is sold out already?

http://www.freekoran.org/

37 posted on 09/09/2010 9:56:51 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Joe 6-pack

Mark Levin said the same thing on his show tonite. He spoke with Rush and Rush said he can’t remember the guy. He’ll probably talk about it tomorrow.

So let the left run wild and make bigger asses out of themselves.


38 posted on 09/09/2010 10:00:31 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: raptor22

well I think the pastor accomplished what he was probably intending: to reveal the cowards among us. He will likely call off the event, having made his point.

We should take careful note of all those who insist on stopping the burning for fear of Muzzie reprisals. This is blackmail top to bottom, Islam threatens bloody violence if we 1) burn qu’rans in a tiny parish back lot and/or 2) move the trophy mosque away from ground zero.

I learned to confront bullies in grade school.


39 posted on 09/09/2010 10:38:15 PM PDT by moodyskeptic (the counterculture votes R)
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To: raptor22
Hypocrisy: When the US Army burned bibles in Afghanistan, no one said a word.

I have been monitoring one Anderson Cooper and his cohorts on CNN. These include David Gergen and Paul Begala with Jeffrey Toobin. At one time one of them sputtered about putting the troops in terrible jeopardy.

At this point I tried to assess what had actually happened, re the pastor. The man had claimed he was to burn the Koran. This means that so far, it is words. These men have thrown a juvenile hissy fit. I do not like to see books burned myself- any books. The presumed burning of a book brings out these men in all their politically correct kow tow.

At least we can see what the import of militant Islamists have brought about. Raw naked fear about an intended and supposed act, that has not taken place.

40 posted on 09/09/2010 10:55:52 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: raptor22

Well, if the U.S. Army is burning Bibles now (?) we might as well leave Afghanistan because we will lose.


41 posted on 09/09/2010 11:05:02 PM PDT by italybub
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To: raptor22

with all the slamming the left has done to this pastor, there is one thing that is incontrovertible...

he succeeded in getting the ground zero mosque moved.

no one else even came close.

0bama shown up again as a powerless, limped wristed, good for nothing, terrorist sympathizer


42 posted on 09/09/2010 11:11:12 PM PDT by sten
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To: raptor22
Remember this one? (Read subtext)


43 posted on 09/09/2010 11:29:30 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com (We are done electing disappointing compromisers.)
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To: raptor22

I think the Ground Zero Mosque and the Koran Burning have had the beneficial effect of bringing the whole divide into clear focus.

Battle lines are being drawn now more clearly. The terrain is exposed in crystaline clarity, our enemies and allies are easily distinguished, and their strengths and weaknesses stand out in bold relief.

These are defining moments, and I’m glad to see it.


44 posted on 09/09/2010 11:54:52 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Heartlander; xzins; High-tech Redneck; streetpreacher; ohioWfan; Gamecock; ...

If it ever gets to the point where we cannot use a book to light our Weber BBQ in our own backyard, then this country is truly doomed.


45 posted on 09/09/2010 11:55:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Razz Barry

Too late for THIS year... Let me see what I can do for next year!!!!


46 posted on 09/10/2010 12:23:15 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: SouthTexas

I got a FREE copy from CAIR... It makes a great footrest!


47 posted on 09/10/2010 12:27:03 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: libs_kma

I mean the United States is still basically a Christian nation but you’d never know that from watching our government in action. Christians in this country are on their own.


48 posted on 09/10/2010 1:50:28 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I think it is fairly clear that the Koran is more than a book to Muslims. It is an idol.


49 posted on 09/10/2010 5:25:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: moodyskeptic
well I think the pastor accomplished what he was probably intending: to reveal the cowards among us.

You think you honestly know this guy's intentions? He's a supporter of Westboro Baptist Church, an organization that welcomes the deaths of American solidiers and Marines.

This guy and his "church" if you want to call it that, are tools of Satan. They support people who call for more deaths of American soldiers and Marines. You know who else calls for more deaths of American soldiers and Marines? The radical muslims this guy claims to be against.
50 posted on 09/10/2010 6:18:13 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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