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One God of Love and Peace: Muslim/Christian Event at Episcopal Church in Va
St. Thomas Episcopal Church website event announcement ^ | 9 Sept 2010 | church website event announcement

Posted on 09/10/2010 9:34:15 AM PDT by mbarker12474

One God of Love and Peace: Muslim/Christian Event on Saturday, September 11 Submitted by sdaughtry on Thu, 09/09/2010 - 10:49am.

St. Thomas Episcopal Church invites you to gather on Saturday, September 11 at 2pm to celebrate and give thanks for our common humanity as brothers and sisters created by one God.

Dr. Imad Damaj of the Virginia Muslim Coalition and the Rev. Susan N. Eaves will read passages from the Koran and the Christian Scriptures that speak of our shared understanding of the God who calls us into community, love of God, and love of neighbor.

Please join us for this occasion at St. Thomas' Episcopal Church, 3602 Hawthorne Avenue, Richmond, Virginia 23222.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bible; dhimmis; episcopal; quran; stealthjihad; stthomas
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One example of many. This one is near my location.

The sword is slicing and the sheep and goats are separating as we speak.

1 posted on 09/10/2010 9:34:19 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: mbarker12474

Richmond is too out of the way for me anyway.


2 posted on 09/10/2010 9:35:24 AM PDT by Andrea19
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To: mbarker12474

One way to distinguish a neighbor: Which of these, think you, was neighbor to the man? The one who showed mercy. Go thou and do likewise.

You could look it up. Apparently, no one at St. Thomas bothers with that, they’re too busy trying to conflate the Triune God with the monophysic Allah.

These are not the same God, by any means.


3 posted on 09/10/2010 9:37:12 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: mbarker12474

For a Scriptural example of an interfaith service, read 1 Kings 18.


4 posted on 09/10/2010 9:43:40 AM PDT by Burma Jones
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To: mbarker12474

A church in Cordova (Memphis) Tennessee has invited the Muzzies that are building a huge mosque across the street from them to meet in their facilities until the mosque is finished.


5 posted on 09/10/2010 9:44:26 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: mbarker12474

Another sh**ty, useless, liberal UK based Protestant denoimination that was never on the front line in Europe fighting for survival against Islam from 600 AD to 1700+ AD.

They never had to deal with Islam in the UK for 1000 years.

Cowards.


6 posted on 09/10/2010 9:46:16 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: BelegStrongbow

A great deal of this country hasn’t gotten the fact that Christians, Jews and Islamist will NEVER co exist.


7 posted on 09/10/2010 9:46:41 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: mbarker12474

This is another shining example of a church going wishy-washy on sound Christian doctrine. Don’t get me all wrong, I understand there are Muslims here, and I have absolutely no problem with those who are living here peacefully and assimilating into our culture, but to be reading from both the Bible (THE word of God) and the Koran (at best a cheap imitation that lifts from Christianity and Judaism what it wants to advance its goals), seems a betrayal of our Christian faith. If people can’t look at both faiths, look at the differences, both between God and allah, between Jesus and Mohammed, and the basic tenets of each religion, not to even mention the history of these religions... they why even bother calling yourself a Christian? If we are all just the same, just part of a God that chooses to express himself in completely contradictory ways, then why not give it all some new name? Why say, “I am a Christian” or “I am a Muslim” or “I am a Jew”?


8 posted on 09/10/2010 9:47:37 AM PDT by FarRightFanatic (It wasn't an election. It was a socialist coup.)
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To: mbarker12474

"One God of Love and Peace": Riots in Grenoble.

9 posted on 09/10/2010 9:48:41 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: BelegStrongbow

We were certainly created by one God, and he calls all unto himself through Christ, when Christians are so focused on being pious rather than honest about the scripture the truth is dilutted, Islam seeks to do this because the next step is believing Jesus was only a prophet and Mohammad finished the lineage..Mohammad took pieces of Jewish and Christian theologies in order to have some sense of reality in his lies. He knew the only way he could get a group of people to rally around Him was with a religion, in His cae one which condoned all the hideous sins the Judeo Christian teaching forbade, then he could use that as a means of using the “faithful” for his purposes..

Islam does not mix with Christianity, that being said, I do not care if they want to believe in something that hideous, but not in my church, not in my country, amd I don’t see it in God’s Heaven either, I wish the best for all people that they may find the true nature of Jesus Christ as God’s son and their Saviour, and reject Mohammads lies..Mohammad is not a prophet, he is a liar and thief, and murderous pedophile..


10 posted on 09/10/2010 9:49:04 AM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: mbarker12474

What the ‘Piscies and Mohammedans couldn’t find any more heretics to invite?

(I’m with St. John of Damascus in regarding Islam as a heresy, rather than a religion in its own right. Arab Christians have a firm tradition that Mohammed was a missionary from the Nestorian ‘Church of the East’, who went rogue and set up as a warlord, and there is support for the position in a textual analysis of the Qu’ran, which has passages that are terrible, indeed nonsensical, Arabic, but perfectly good East Syriac.)


11 posted on 09/10/2010 9:49:55 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Probably because so few realize that the command to forcibly convert or subject is Holy Writ to Muslims and anathema to Christians and Jews. That is too fundamental a difference and will mean that Muslims will always be a threat to peaceable people who refuse to agree with their religious precepts.


12 posted on 09/10/2010 9:50:27 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: mbarker12474
Perhaps the openly homosexual Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson can attend and speak of the tolerant example Islam sets for the rest of the religions of the world in its treatment of men who engage in homosexual behaviors.
13 posted on 09/10/2010 9:50:41 AM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: mbarker12474

Also the formation of the One World Religion under the direction of the AntiChrist is forming before our eyes.


14 posted on 09/10/2010 9:50:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Burma Jones
1 Kings 18

Elijah and Obadiah

1 After a long time, in the third year, the word of the LORD came to Elijah: "Go and present yourself to Ahab, and I will send rain on the land." 2 So Elijah went to present himself to Ahab.

Now the famine was severe in Samaria, 3 and Ahab had summoned Obadiah, who was in charge of his palace. (Obadiah was a devout believer in the LORD. 4 While Jezebel was killing off the LORD's prophets, Obadiah had taken a hundred prophets and hidden them in two caves, fifty in each, and had supplied them with food and water.) 5 Ahab had said to Obadiah, "Go through the land to all the springs and valleys. Maybe we can find some grass to keep the horses and mules alive so we will not have to kill any of our animals." 6 So they divided the land they were to cover, Ahab going in one direction and Obadiah in another.

7 As Obadiah was walking along, Elijah met him. Obadiah recognized him, bowed down to the ground, and said, "Is it really you, my lord Elijah?"

8 "Yes," he replied. "Go tell your master, 'Elijah is here.' "

9 "What have I done wrong," asked Obadiah, "that you are handing your servant over to Ahab to be put to death? 10 As surely as the LORD your God lives, there is not a nation or kingdom where my master has not sent someone to look for you. And whenever a nation or kingdom claimed you were not there, he made them swear they could not find you. 11 But now you tell me to go to my master and say, 'Elijah is here.' 12 I don't know where the Spirit of the LORD may carry you when I leave you. If I go and tell Ahab and he doesn't find you, he will kill me. Yet I your servant have worshiped the LORD since my youth. 13 Haven't you heard, my lord, what I did while Jezebel was killing the prophets of the LORD ? I hid a hundred of the LORD's prophets in two caves, fifty in each, and supplied them with food and water. 14 And now you tell me to go to my master and say, 'Elijah is here.' He will kill me!"

15 Elijah said, "As the LORD Almighty lives, whom I serve, I will surely present myself to Ahab today." Elijah on Mount Carmel 16 So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. 17 When he saw Elijah, he said to him, "Is that you, you troubler of Israel?"

18 "I have not made trouble for Israel," Elijah replied. "But you and your father's family have. You have abandoned the LORD's commands and have followed the Baals. 19 Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel's table."

20 So Ahab sent word throughout all Israel and assembled the prophets on Mount Carmel. 21 Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him." But the people said nothing.

22 Then Elijah said to them, "I am the only one of the LORD's prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. 23 Get two bulls for us. Let them choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. 24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD. The god who answers by fire—he is God." Then all the people said, "What you say is good."

25 Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire." 26 So they took the bull given them and prepared it. Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. "O Baal, answer us!" they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.

27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. "Shout louder!" he said. "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened." 28 So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. 29 Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.

30 Then Elijah said to all the people, "Come here to me." They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the LORD, which was in ruins. 31 Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, "Your name shall be Israel." 32 With the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs [a] of seed. 33 He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, "Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood."

34 "Do it again," he said, and they did it again. "Do it a third time," he ordered, and they did it the third time. 35 The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench.

36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, O LORD, answer me, so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again."

38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The LORD -he is God! The LORD -he is God!"

40 Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don't let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

41 And Elijah said to Ahab, "Go, eat and drink, for there is the sound of a heavy rain." 42 So Ahab went off to eat and drink, but Elijah climbed to the top of Carmel, bent down to the ground and put his face between his knees.

43 "Go and look toward the sea," he told his servant. And he went up and looked. "There is nothing there," he said. Seven times Elijah said, "Go back."

44 The seventh time the servant reported, "A cloud as small as a man's hand is rising from the sea." So Elijah said, "Go and tell Ahab, 'Hitch up your chariot and go down before the rain stops you.' "

45 Meanwhile, the sky grew black with clouds, the wind rose, a heavy rain came on and Ahab rode off to Jezreel. 46 The power of the LORD came upon Elijah and, tucking his cloak into his belt, he ran ahead of Ahab all the way to Jezreel.

15 posted on 09/10/2010 9:51:28 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Met a Jewish woman with a “Coexist” bumper sticker last night... it was right next to her “Pro-choice” sticker.


16 posted on 09/10/2010 9:52:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: mbarker12474

God created muslims.

Mohammed created allah.


17 posted on 09/10/2010 9:53:48 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: aeonspromise

I have no argument with anything you just wrote. This civilizational clash hasn’t even gotten started yet. It will take a while to sift out the Chamberlains.

One thing we must always remember: we are bound by our Christian ethics never to make unprovoked war. We must be the ones who were hit first, then we may respond, proportionately (which means if a terror bomb is set off in a US city, we could set off an equivalent explosion in a city of the attacking nation, not turn their capital to glass).


18 posted on 09/10/2010 9:55:06 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: mbarker12474
To say that God & Allah are the same is pure blasphemy. They are courting satan.
19 posted on 09/10/2010 9:56:39 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: mbarker12474
One God of Love and Peace

One thing is for certain, the Christians in this group don't really know Islam. Sadly, they don't really know Christianity either.

20 posted on 09/10/2010 9:57:35 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: MrB
Met a Jewish woman with a “Coexist” bumper sticker last night... it was right next to her “Pro-choice” sticker.

That is as delusional as if the Coexist had a swastika in place of the "X"

21 posted on 09/10/2010 9:58:01 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Barack Hussein 0bama = Wagonmaster for the Donner Party. Mmmmmmm-Mmmmmmm-Mmmmmm!)
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To: BelegStrongbow
We must be the ones who were hit first, then we may respond, proportionately (which means if a terror bomb is set off in a US city, we could set off an equivalent explosion in a city of the attacking nation, not turn their capital to glass).

So did you agree with nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

22 posted on 09/10/2010 9:58:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: N. Theknow

Great idea for a photoshop...


23 posted on 09/10/2010 9:58:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: The_Reader_David

Now that is one I had not heard of before. I will start researching into this at the soonest. Thank you.


24 posted on 09/10/2010 9:58:43 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: MrB
BTW - I stopped and was looking at one of these "Coexist" stickers at the post office once and the car owner came out and stood next to me.

I said, "Wow, when you focus on the spaces between the symbols, it really shows the hidden message doesn't it?"

I went into the building and when I came out 10 minutes later she was still staring at her car with a funny look.

Best laugh I have had in a long time.

25 posted on 09/10/2010 10:02:39 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Barack Hussein 0bama = Wagonmaster for the Donner Party. Mmmmmmm-Mmmmmmm-Mmmmmm!)
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To: mbarker12474

This scares me as much as some freepers suggesting “They really know how to handle their criminals” comments.


26 posted on 09/10/2010 10:03:16 AM PDT by timeflies
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To: BelegStrongbow
Wars of attrition are no-win scenarios. If we can prove, say, that Iran provided the materials for a WMD that terrorists use against us, then it's goodbye Tehran.

That's called survival.

27 posted on 09/10/2010 10:03:35 AM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: BelegStrongbow
One thing we must always remember: we are bound by our Christian ethics never to make unprovoked war. We must be the ones who were hit first, then we may respond, proportionately (which means if a terror bomb is set off in a US city, we could set off an equivalent explosion in a city of the attacking nation, not turn their capital to glass).

I don't know where you got that but it certainly isn't in the bible. In the OT God directed His people to utterly destroy His enemies and to not leave one of them alive.

In the case of defending the innocent we must strike before the innocent is harmed. Islam destroys the innocent. The only way to stop islam from sdragging innocents to hell with it is to stamp out islam. The just death penalty, whether for an individual or a culture, is inherently Christian.

28 posted on 09/10/2010 10:15:33 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: buccaneer81
If we can prove, say, that Iran provided the materials for a WMD that terrorists use against us, then it's goodbye Tehran.

If we can prove that a moslem commited an act of terrorism against us it should be goodbye mecca and medina (and the dome of the rock). Mecca and Medina should be nuked. Dome of the rock should be razed (or let the Israelis do it if they prefer).

"Why?" you ask. Because islam commands all it's followers to be terrorists. Terrorism isn't committed by some wacko who happens to be moslem. It is committed by someone who is wacko only BECAUSE he is moslem.

29 posted on 09/10/2010 10:20:12 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Frantzie
didn't some of the crusades come out of England. I know that a family genealogist says she has seen documentation in English archieves that a forefather was knighted for fighting his way into Jerusalem.

I have no other knowledge, just wondering

30 posted on 09/10/2010 10:22:10 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: John O

Works for me.


31 posted on 09/10/2010 10:22:45 AM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: mbarker12474

The religious denominations do not seem to be anywhere near my beliefs when I was younger. Does this mean that our religious institutions are becoming PC?


32 posted on 09/10/2010 10:23:32 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: mbarker12474

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2586059/posts


33 posted on 09/10/2010 10:25:50 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (Failed to study history? ...Then Prepare to repeat it.)
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To: mbarker12474
The Apostle John and close confidant of Jesus Christ gave us some important information that Christians seem to overlook.

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Islam fits this description completely as they deny that Jesus, son of God, came to earth in the flesh.

So why would a follower of Christ combine his worship with those that are antichrists?

34 posted on 09/10/2010 10:26:12 AM PDT by BigFinn (The King is coming and He isn't riding a donkey this time.)
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To: elpadre

Yes - some did. However - Christians who were constantly on the front lines were Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Poles, Austrians/Hungarians, Germans, Christians in the balkans.

1100 years of being on the front lines to stop Islamic invasions.


35 posted on 09/10/2010 10:26:12 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: MrB
the formation of the One World Religion under the direction of the AntiChrist is forming before our eyes.

And if you won't be tolerant about it, YOU'RE A BIGOT!

and there will be re-education camps..........

36 posted on 09/10/2010 10:28:01 AM PDT by happygrl (Continuing to predict that Obama will resign)
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To: Retired Greyhound

David Pryce-Jones who writes for National Review wrote a book about Islam. The guy is very bright. He said Islam is really Arab tribalism geared towards all out conquest. Mohammed just took that and wrapped a “religion” around it.


37 posted on 09/10/2010 10:30:05 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: mbarker12474

Both serve the same god and it’s not the God of the Bible.


38 posted on 09/10/2010 10:30:17 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: BelegStrongbow

Well spoken. Agree...


39 posted on 09/10/2010 10:31:11 AM PDT by trailboss800
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To: BelegStrongbow

>>One thing we must always remember: we are bound by our Christian ethics never to make unprovoked war.<<

Yeah, that’s what Joshua did at Jericho.


40 posted on 09/10/2010 10:36:12 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: MrB
Met a Jewish woman with a “Coexist” bumper sticker last night... it was right next to her “Pro-choice” sticker.

Let me guess. It was either on a Prius, a Volvo, or a Subaru.

41 posted on 09/10/2010 10:41:07 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Deagle

>>Does this mean that our religious institutions are becoming PC?<<

I would suggest that it’s very difficult to find a religious institution today that has clung to truly Biblical truth.


42 posted on 09/10/2010 10:45:59 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Frantzie

Uh, the Church of England began in 1534 under Henry VIII. Crusades One through Nine occurred between 1095 and 1292. So, there wasn’t an Anglican Church in existence to be on the frontlines then. So you are correct that this Protestant denomination wasn’t there. It is certainly arguable that following the 1700’s the British Empire interacted quite a bit with the muzzie world, and in a very confused fashion. That is, when they weren’t trying to regain the American Colonies through subterfuge and small wars. Instead, with the fall of the Empire post WWII the Brits handed off all of their political world failures to the US, with their built in disasters. And the US continues to reap the harvest of British imperialism. The “special relationship” so often touted is one only the Anglophiles in New England who retain their Tory politics, and it has cost the US quite a bit in human lives. It is time for a new Crusade


43 posted on 09/10/2010 10:49:52 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Burma Jones

1 Kings 18 is an awesome story.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/MultiVerse.cfm?t=ESV&Text=1+Kings+18&x=58&y=10&refformat=1&super=0&delimiter1=2&delimiter2=3&abbrev=1


44 posted on 09/10/2010 10:50:07 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: John O

Re post 28

I’m with you 100%. The mushy PC Christians of today are way off Biblical truth.


45 posted on 09/10/2010 10:50:48 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Frantzie

One other thing. That this “event” is happening in Richmond is particularly distressing to this Southerner. If it was New Jersey it would fit. The Episcopal Church of Virginia must retain some elements of Tory politics in it. It would be interesting to know if this church is part of the diocese in VA that stayed with the Church of England, as regards homos, homo priests, etc. With a woman minister mentioned, I could guess. Remember that every “give” to muzzies is a “take” for them which they retain. There is no quo to any quid given.


46 posted on 09/10/2010 10:59:13 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: mbarker12474

These are the NUTJOBS AND KOOKS!


47 posted on 09/10/2010 11:01:52 AM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: CynicalBear

And he was a Christian, was he?


48 posted on 09/10/2010 11:04:54 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: BelegStrongbow

>>And he was a Christian, was he?<<

God Himself, sir, told Joshua not to leave a person alive save for the prostitute who helped them.


49 posted on 09/10/2010 11:10:41 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: John O

You have certainly taken my comment much farther than it explicitly went or, were I asked to clarify, would ever go. I am entirely for military response where such is called for and make no scruple about the fact. I am not saying pacifism is anything but a form of secular suicide, sometimes indulged in by the religious on the premise that they could always say they were martyred.

As to striking pre-emptively in defense of the innocent: it is not moral for Christians to assume an enemy is about to strike and use this as a pretext for striking.

The core instructions are in the Decalogue: thou shalt commit no murder. That does not mean that, if provoked or threatened, you may not kill. It means you may not initiate assault nor may you respond with force far in excess of what was applied to you. The question also does not bring what response those you respond to apply back at you. If they counter-attack, you may counter-attack, and this can continue until someone stops being the first to strike. If you were always second, then you are always assured of having acted morally in a morally gray area.

Of course, if the USA is no longer a Christian nation, then none of this applies and any standard for waging war that appears to suit the fancy of the ruling class would be in order. Is that preferable to you?

Does this help?


50 posted on 09/10/2010 11:11:57 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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