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BREAKING: DOJ Undermines Pentagon, Allows Wisconsin To Ignore Military Voting Protections
Pajamas Media ^ | September 10, 2010 | J. Christian Adams

Posted on 09/10/2010 11:41:29 AM PDT by jazusamo

This is a disgrace, plain and simple. Military voters, their families, and veterans organizations should be outraged at the Holder DOJ.

It is 2008 all over again. Today the Department of Justice effectively rewrote the 2009 MOVE Act designed to protect military voters. In a settlement reached with the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board, the Holder Justice Department allowed Wisconsin to mail ballots to overseas military voters only 32 days before the election, instead of the statutorily mandated 45 days.

Once again, it is no accident this embarrassing settlement is being released on a Friday, so fewer might notice.

The Pentagon had denied Wisconsin’s application for a waiver from the 45-day requirement: “The states granted waivers presented thorough and comprehensive plans to protect the voting opportunities for military and overseas voters,” Bob Carey, director of the Federal Voting Assistance Program, said in a statement. Wisconsin’s waiver application didn’t even come close to compliance with the MOVE Act. They wanted to send ballots only 29 days before the election. The folks at the Pentagon rightfully denied the waiver request.

The victory for military voters was short-lived.

Instead of aggressively suing Wisconsin immediately after the waiver denial, the DOJ engaged in secret negotiations. An immediate lawsuit would have strengthened the negotiating position of the DOJ as well as preserved various equitable legal arguments, including the argument DOJ waited too long to commence litigation. Instead of doing the right thing, the DOJ did the easy thing and reached a settlement with Wisconsin that undermined the Pentagon’s denial of Wisconsin’s waiver request.

The tough negotiating stance of the Holder DOJ extracted a whopping additional three days out of Wisconsin. Ballots will mail 32 days before the election instead of 29. A consent decree filed Friday will reflect this quisling agreement.

This is a disgrace, plain and simple. Military voters, their families and veterans organizations should be outraged at the Holder DOJ.

It is true that time was added to allow ballots to roll in after the election, but time after the election is different in quality than time before. The MOVE Act was explicitly designed to add time before an election to ensure the solider would get a ballot in time to benefit from the express delivery requirement under the MOVE Act. This guarantees that ballots placed in military mail at least 7 days before an election will be returned in time to be counted. By sending ballots only 32 days before the election, many overseas soldiers will be denied this important guarantee. Congress specifically rejected post-election add-on time as a solution. Compressing the pre-election time ignores both of these important statutory purposes.

The limp DOJ settlement demonstrates a core fear inside Justice of litigating military voting cases. Even when the DOJ actually acts to protect military voters, the investigative methods resemble the Keystone Cops.

After the administration changes, an increasing possibility in 2013, it will be essential to clean house and install litigators who don’t flinch under fire, both in the courtroom and also on the battlefield. It’s time to put someone in charge of protecting military voters who cares about military voters, preferably with military experience.

Senator John Cornyn has put the heat on Justice, and blocked the nomination of James Cole to be Deputy Attorney General. Justice was desperate to have Cole confirmed weeks ago, and the military voting mess has aggravated top DOJ leadership. Americans rightfully outraged by the DOJ concession should send notes of support to Senator Cornyn for his efforts to protect military voters. The shameful Wisconsin settlement will likely strengthen Cornyn’s resolve on the Cole hold.

Could Wisconsin have done something differently? Lots.

Wisconsin could have done what Florida, Georgia or Vermont did, and fix the problem in the nearly twelve months since the MOVE Act was passed. It’s a question of priorities. Wisconsin could have just gotten the job done like other waiver-requesting states did when their waivers were rejected. The primaries in Wisconsin are on September 14, but the DOJ settlement won’t require ballots to be printed and mailed until October 2.

This is what happens when government bureaucrats negotiate with other government bureaucrats. They are completely oblivious to the private sector solutions to the problem, such as printing technology, and instead allow a tedious 18 days to go by before ballots are mailed.

This settlement shows a slavish devotion to plodding process, to doing things without any sense of urgency. It contrasts starkly with the methods and mindset of our men and women serving in combat zones.

Could DOJ have done something differently? Absolutely. DOJ could have sued Wisconsin in June once it was clear the State would not comply with MOVE. If the DOJ took the timid approach and didn’t sue because it thought a waiver might be sought, they could have sued immediately upon the denial of the waiver application. They didn’t. Justice could have then filed a motion for a temporary injunction seeking an order to force Wisconsin to print ballots and mail them a few days after the conclusion of the September 14 primary. Similarly, Justice should have used the pending motion to leverage a better settlement.

But all that requires swift efficient work, speed, resolute decision making, and the courage to enter a courtroom — traits in short supply in military voting enforcement at the DOJ.

DOJ also could have had the courtesy to respond to the draft Pentagon waiver guidance that was sent in the spring. DOJ could have reviewed the draft and provided a written response. Because it failed to do so, no final waiver guidance was ever given to the states. This alone calls for consequences.

Simply put, the DOJ allowed Wisconsin to do less than the law allowed. Like Julie Fernandes rewriting the Motor Voter law, bureaucrats nullified important protections for military voters in the Wisconsin settlement.

Compare this timorous approach to what just happened to Cuyahoga County, Ohio. About 6,000 Americans who grew up in Puerto Rico live there. DOJ threatened to sue the county unless Spanish ballots were used across the whole county. The problem is that the need for Spanish ballots doesn’t exist across the whole county. And the law doesn’t even allow a county-wide remedy.

No matter. When it comes to Spanish ballots, the DOJ demanded a remedy that went beyond the law. When it comes to our military voters, the DOJ negotiated a remedy that was less than the law requires.

Expect more of the same regarding Hawaii and the District of Columbia, two more states grossly out of compliance with the MOVE Act.

It’s really just a question of priorities, of favored political constituencies. It’s a dangerous game of politicization to play considering the mood of the country. It is one more incident that grows the coming wave.

J. Christian Adams is an election lawyer who served in the Voting Rights Section at the U.S. Department of Justice. His website is www.electionlawcenter.com.



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1 posted on 09/10/2010 11:41:34 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

“There may be a vote by a cracker ... or even a Jew. We cannot allow that.”


2 posted on 09/10/2010 11:43:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Diogenesis

Bump!


3 posted on 09/10/2010 11:45:33 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

They know that most military personnel will vote for honest, good candidates who love the USA. That leaves the democrats out.


4 posted on 09/10/2010 11:45:46 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: jazusamo

Clearly against the law.

Sue the bastards.

Take em to court.


5 posted on 09/10/2010 11:48:49 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: jazusamo

I went into a public-’ouse to get a pint o’ beer,
The publican ‘e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
The girls be’ind the bar they laughed an’ giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an’ to myself sez I:
O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”;
But it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-’alls,
But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, wait outside”;
But it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide,
The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
O it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide.

Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul?”
But it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll.

We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, fall be’ind”,
But it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind,
There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
O it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind.

You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;
An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!


6 posted on 09/10/2010 11:48:55 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: jazusamo

Not a surprise coming from a DOJ run by Holder....This is just setting up the Election Fraud coming down in November and 2012 to keep the Democrats and Obama in Power.......

Just wait and see the massive fraud and the DOJ not investigating many irregularities...


7 posted on 09/10/2010 11:49:18 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Diogenesis

Stinking mongrel dogs.

8 posted on 09/10/2010 11:51:25 AM PDT by chris37
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To: jazusamo
We all knew the RATS would cheat this year just like they do every election. This is just the START. How much of it will be reported by the state run lame stream media remains to be seen.
9 posted on 09/10/2010 11:51:35 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: jakerobins

Isn’t there a way people stationed overseas can have their ballots mailed to their parents In Care Of? Their parents can get the ballots to them quicker and ‘safer’.


10 posted on 09/10/2010 11:52:48 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: jazusamo
Not that Bush was all that much better when it came to the Saudis, but do you suppose the Muslims and Obozo's handlers feel a need to keep Obozo in office and most of our military folks might vote the "wrong way?"
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"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."

King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

("At Any Price: How America Betrayed My Kidnapped Daughters for Saudi Oil" By Patricia Roush)

For the source of that quotation, visit the link below (copy and paste if necessary), go to page 272 and scroll to the bottom of the page.

http://tinyurl.com/28sn557

I guess their oil is the only POSSIBLE reason to shed American blood for these people. It begs a question: WHY THE HELL AREN’T WE USING OUR OWN?? ARE WE MAD? (Don’t answer that.)


11 posted on 09/10/2010 11:53:21 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: jazusamo
Clinton mailed the ballots out late, too, for his reelection campaign. He called it a clerical error. After the election was over, ballots were still in bags being delivered to the Navy.
The military is overwhelmingly right wing. If there's anything they can to to deny them their vote, they will. In the 2000 election, the military votes in Florida were thrown out. They said they were improperly filled out and or late.
The democrats say every vote counts -- unless it's a vote for the other party. They claim they want democracy -- but only if the people use it to vote for them.
12 posted on 09/10/2010 11:53:55 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
They know that most military personnel will vote for honest, good candidates who love the USA. That leaves the democrats out.

Recall all the shenanigans in 2000 that were aimed at diminishing the military vote.

1. The Clinton administration would not sanction voting precincts on military property. You had to leave the base to vote.

2. Recognizing that Florida would be a battleground state, approximately 800 reserves in the state were called up a.) after the deadline for requesting an absentee ballot but b.) before election day. These reserves were shipped off to other states on make-work assignments.

3. Once the re-count began, the Democrats had lawyers in every county seat reviewing the ballots. They targeted military ballots for disqualification and successfully challenged many on what were totally specious grounds. Florida was actually under a federal consent order to honor military ballots without postmarks (as is the case with many overseas ballots). The County Clerks didn't necessarily know this. The Democrat attorneys knew better, but got the ballots disqualified anyway.

The left has worked tirelessly to guarantee convicted felons and prisoners the vote. And, at the same time, they have worked tirelessly to deny the military their vote.

There is a word for this kind of activity: Despicable.

13 posted on 09/10/2010 11:56:04 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: concerned about politics

Dems besides being anti Christian, anti Israel, anti white, anti business, anti religion, anti God, anti capitalism is also anti military.


14 posted on 09/10/2010 11:57:04 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: jazusamo

I don’t quite understand what would have happened had the waiver not been granted? Would Wisconsin have been prohibited from sending ballots to the servicemen? I understand the need for the 45-day deadline but what was the alternative to the waiver? A state sued by DOJ and servicemen denied their right to vote while the suit was pending? Does the process really require 45 days in these days of electronic voting?


15 posted on 09/10/2010 11:58:38 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: jakerobins

No it’s no surprise. Holder and his appointed thugs broken, ignored or excused laws from the onset of the regime.


16 posted on 09/10/2010 11:59:56 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: okie01

If you’re a serviceman, how would you get your ballot mailed somewhere stateside, if you tell the clerk you’ll be on leave between Sept 20 and Nov 8?


17 posted on 09/10/2010 12:01:38 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: jazusamo

Holder is busy. The DOJ is using its resources to sue us in Arizona over SB1070.


18 posted on 09/10/2010 12:02:28 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: jazusamo

And Hussein complains that he is being treated like a dog. Look at his cabinet and the fact he won’t rein them in, to see why his popularity is bottoming out. This is discrimination against the military, plain and simple. Holder is a real piece of work.


19 posted on 09/10/2010 12:05:28 PM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: caseinpoint

The state is responsible for getting the ballots to overseas military in time for them to vote and get the ballot back to be counted, the MOVE Act stipulated 45 days.

The problem is deployed troops in inaccessible areas for the most part as I understand it and they vote by paper ballot, not electronically.


20 posted on 09/10/2010 12:07:04 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: the_Watchman

Yep, enforcing the Liar-in-Chiefs agenda.


21 posted on 09/10/2010 12:08:43 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
The unmistakable message to the military is now, "Holder nose and vote don't vote." Will any Republican stand up and be heard on this?
22 posted on 09/10/2010 12:10:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (All hail Prince Skid-mark, Barack Hussein Obama, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: jazusamo

Just one more example of exactly what Democrats mean when they say they “support our troops.”


23 posted on 09/10/2010 12:12:06 PM PDT by workerbee (FAIL, BABY, FAIL!)
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To: Ev Reeman

Or maybe the military should view them as “domestic enemies” of the Constitution and react appropriately: killing people and breaking things.


24 posted on 09/10/2010 12:12:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: jazusamo

We must win the House so can frog-march Holder into the hot seat.


25 posted on 09/10/2010 12:13:08 PM PDT by AU72
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To: DoughtyOne
Will any Republican stand up and be heard on this?

Senator Cornyn has been on this for some time but there should be many Republicans screaming bloody murder about this. The MOVE Act was passed specifically for this problem and now the Holder DOJ is excusing it in some cases.

26 posted on 09/10/2010 12:15:13 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: raven92876

Friday night news dump ping.


27 posted on 09/10/2010 12:15:59 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (What Would Jim Thompson Do?)
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To: concerned about politics; All
In the 2000 election, the military votes in Florida were thrown out.

This has been going at LEAST since 2000! And every time, the repubs have said they will get this fixed so that all military votes count, etc. and bla bla bla.

It seems we all have amnesia whenever election season comes up again, because only then do we realize they didn't do squat and then get incensed.

I just retired so can vote locally, but are we ever going to get this crap fixed for the active duty folks stationed on ships and overseas?
28 posted on 09/10/2010 12:17:39 PM PDT by tongue-tied ("Never use more than four words to say 'I don't know'")
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To: DoughtyOne

I would like to know why no MILITARY man is standing up to be heard on this.
I expect politicians to be lower than pond scum, so I understand them perfectly.
If you remove my *unconditional* right to vote (while pushing it for people who cant even provide ID) then I don’t see why I have to risk my life for you. - quite the contrary if you understand that this is about as far as I can go without being banned.


29 posted on 09/10/2010 12:20:24 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: IYAS9YAS
Other than trolls, the worst posts are the words of a song/poem with no title, no author or attribution of the work!
30 posted on 09/10/2010 12:22:47 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: chris37

Don’t insult mongrel dogs.


31 posted on 09/10/2010 12:26:06 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: raybbr
Other than trolls, the worst posts are the words of a song/poem with no title, no author or attribution of the work!

Sorry about that. First time I've forgotten to.

Tommy - by Rudyard Kipling.

32 posted on 09/10/2010 12:28:00 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: IYAS9YAS
Sorry about that. First time I've forgotten to.

Okay, thanks. For your reward to get to go to this thread and watch the video...

33 posted on 09/10/2010 12:32:00 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: bill1952

I would be spitting bullets if I were in the military and they were gaming my right to vote. No doubt about it.

Still, how vocal can you be on the battle-field in Iraq. Acting out looks bad. It’s kind of a catch-22.

When I came home, there would be some folks with ear aches I can guarantee you.


34 posted on 09/10/2010 12:35:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (All hail Prince Skid-mark, Barack Hussein Obama, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: raybbr
Okay, thanks. For your reward to get to go to this thread and watch the video...

That's funny!

35 posted on 09/10/2010 12:36:08 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: jazusamo; holdonnow

Rosh Hashannah Ping


36 posted on 09/10/2010 12:36:39 PM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: Diogenesis

Bastards!


37 posted on 09/10/2010 12:41:28 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: IYAS9YAS
Here's another funny one: Arab Shooting Gun Test...
38 posted on 09/10/2010 12:42:31 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: jazusamo

We all have to raise a hue and cry over this. Make it an election issue. Our spokesman have to deflect all questions to this issue. Boehner has to announce that the DOJ WILL be subpoenaed on this matter in January.


39 posted on 09/10/2010 12:44:21 PM PDT by sourcery (Don't call them "liberals" or "progressives." The honest label is extreme anti-Constitutionalists!)
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To: bill1952
I would like to know why no MILITARY man is standing up to be heard on this.

For most of the enlisted men, it's because they don't want to be court-martialed.

40 posted on 09/10/2010 12:45:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (u)
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To: jazusamo
Relax, Holder has the entire Philadelphia Black Panther Party on special military vote counting duty.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

41 posted on 09/10/2010 12:45:52 PM PDT by The Comedian
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To: jazusamo
Just another reason to eventually cease Federal tax remittances..
42 posted on 09/10/2010 12:50:10 PM PDT by mo
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To: jazusamo

Holder is the chief law obstructor for his master, who should be impeached, convicted and removed.

They want every felon to vote, but no one in the military.


43 posted on 09/10/2010 12:56:17 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualProsperity
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To: The Comedian
Relax, Holder has the entire Philadelphia Black Panther Party on special military vote counting duty.

It wouldn't surprise me. LOL!

44 posted on 09/10/2010 1:07:51 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

It’s time for Holder to go. The boy is out of control. Contact your Congress critters and clue them in. Holder has got to go!


45 posted on 09/10/2010 1:08:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Algore is a politician and a con artist. He is NOT a scientist.)
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To: sourcery

Controlling the House is going to make a huge difference in the way Obama’s thugs are running our government.


46 posted on 09/10/2010 1:10:06 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

OK this is going beyond anything I could have ever thought.

Now will the GOP demand that this justice depot is out of control and they have to be all removed.

This is outrageous and I can’t hear anyone saying anything about this who is in power


47 posted on 09/10/2010 1:10:57 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Thud

fyi


48 posted on 09/10/2010 1:17:40 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: jazusamo

I know the purpose of the act but what is the consequence of not getting a waiver? The question in my mind is whether the failure to get a waiver means ballots cannot be sent to the armed forces, or whether it just creates a right of action against the state by soldiers or candidates or the DOJ. I would hope the soldiers can vote either way but it is unclear to me. If, by withholding the waiver, the DOJ can prohibit ballots from even going to soldiers, then granting the waiver would be good because, even if the time is short, they have a right to vote.


49 posted on 09/10/2010 1:18:54 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Diogenesis

BTTT


50 posted on 09/10/2010 1:19:38 PM PDT by hattend (Like a termite to wood, Obama only wants to destroy - Mark Levin)
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