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Dueling mosque rallies rage at Ground Zero
NY Post ^ | September 12, 2010 | AMBER SUTHERLAND, DOUGLAS MONTERO and SABRINA FORD

Posted on 09/12/2010 3:57:23 AM PDT by Scanian

Thousands of chanting, jeering protesters with dueling agendas converged on lower Manhattan yesterday in a bitter and sometimes violent clash over the planned Ground Zero mosque.

Rival demonstrations over the Islamic center were kept apart by a phalanx of cops -- though there were flare-ups between the groups even as relatives of 9/11 victims mourned just a few blocks away.

"I don't care if they build a mosque, but I don't want to hear their Islamic prayers wafting over the [Ground Zero] grave site . . . I saw the carnage of 9/11," fumed a retired firefighter who waved his middle finger at those who supported the mosque, which would sit two blocks north of the World Trade Center site.

The estimated 3,000 pro-mosque demonstrators outnumbered the mosque opponents by about 500.

A crowd 15 to 20 deep packed into City Hall Park to listen to speakers including former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark before marching from City Hall to the Federal Building. The march stretched three blocks, followed by a heavy contingent of police.

Beating drums and ringing bells, the crowd chanted, "Bigots go home."

The demonstrators also carried signs reading, "Tea party bigots funded by corporate $," and, "Our grief is no excuse for bigotry and racism."

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 911; 911victims; 9thanniversary; groundzeromosque; islam; jihadinamerica; muslim; muslims; nyc; obamamosque; protests; ramseyclark; triumphaltower; victorymosque; wot; wtc
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1 posted on 09/12/2010 3:57:27 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Funny how they made a point to accurately count the crowd for each side of the debate.


2 posted on 09/12/2010 4:01:11 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Scanian

I dont know what pro-mosque gathering outnumbered us, I saw over 10,000 people at the anti-mosque rally.


3 posted on 09/12/2010 4:04:50 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: Scanian
I wonder how many people realize what is happening with this Mosque and The Koran burning Pastor? The line I see being pushed is this. You have rights under the Constitution...But...’Is it WISE to exercise those rights’? Hmmm. PC at work.
4 posted on 09/12/2010 4:06:01 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (counter revolutionary)
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To: Scanian
In a bizarre and potentially volatile display, a lone man walked up to the intersection of Murray and Church streets and started tearing a Koran, burning a few of the pages.

The man said nothing as he was escorted to safety by the police, and he left via a PATH train. He later told The Post his demonstration was about freedom of speech.

"People have the right to build that mosque," the bizarrely calm man said, refusing to identify himself. "They own that property. I wanted to show that I have the right to free speech. Rights are a two-way street."

God Bless this "bizarrely calm man" who exercised his Constitutional rights.

Why is it "he was escorted to safety by the police?"
Why was he not safe in his own country on his own streets?
Why were those who may wish to harm him not restrained, rather than infringing on his rights?

5 posted on 09/12/2010 4:16:56 AM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: RaceBannon
I saw over 10,000 people at the anti-mosque rally

Thank you for being there, Race! 10,000 is a damn site more than 2500. Will you be writing up a report?

It would appear the enemedia are upping the ante. In the past the typical formula was 3:1.
Take the commie prostestors numbers and multiply by 3.
Then take the number of patriots protesting and divide by 3.

6 posted on 09/12/2010 4:23:19 AM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: Just A Nobody

i WAS WORKING SECURITY, NOT WATCHING THE SPEAKERS...EXCEPT FOR gERT wILDERS! :)


7 posted on 09/12/2010 4:30:55 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: screaminsunshine

The problems with the koran burning and the WTC Mosque

In all this argument of recent days, the most important fact of the matter has been obvious from the start, but is rarely spoken of by the media or the public.

Regarding the Florida koran burning, has anyone stepped back and listened to what people are saying in detail? The first thing a person will hear is how that Pastor has the Constitutional right to do what he is doing.

The next series of statements, however, are always the majority of statements made in these conversations, namely: It is the wrong thing to do, it is inciteful, it is a cult in Florida, muslims will hate us, it will endanger the troops, and, most importantly for this conversation: we are not at war against a religion, but extremists of that religion.

This is important because of the islamic world’s reaction to this Florida Pastor; namely, that the islamic world immediately protested the planned koran burning by condemning the entire country of the United States and marched and chanted promoting our deaths to cries of “DEATH TO AMERICA!”

The response by virtually all American politicians has been an apologetic tone, one where they immediately call for the koran burning to stop, observations that it IS inciteful and that the threats to Americans at home and American Troops abroad are not acceptable and that the safety of the American public are paramount in this case.

Their tone has been to cower in fear at these threats. Not one politician has stepped forward and exclaimed, “Islam is not being attacked by an entire country or an entire religion, Islam is only being attacked by a radical. Islam needs to remember we are not all against Islam and threats to our safety are wrong and inciteful and hate filled.”

Not one. They cower to the islamic world, refuse to hold them to the same standard of behavior as they insist from their own people, refuse to insist that the Pastor in Florida is an anomaly and that the United States is no threat to islam.

What they did was bow in submission to the sensitivities of the islamic world and deny the Florida Pastor his civil rights to speak out like an American.

The islamic world will not notice. They will riot anyways. It is identical to the cartoonists in Denmark. All it took was one cartoonist to make a cartoon of Muhammad and the entire islamic world was in the streets and threatening to kill anyone who makes a cartoon of Muhammad.

Theo Van Gogh made a movie about this islamic submission in Holland, and they killed him for making the movie.

The Florida Koran burning case is quite similar to the Ground Zero mosque case with some significant differences. In Florida, the Pastor must stop his koran burning or there will be violence across the globe, and in fact, even if he does stop, there will be violence across the globe due to him stating he wanted to burn korans. In New York City, the Imam who wants to build a mosque 2 blocks away from Ground Zero, he said on CNN that if we move the mosque or deny it’s construction, there will be violence across the globe.

In both cases, if we do not submit to islamic sensitivities, there will be violence across the globe, in fact, even if we do submit to islamic sensitivities, there will most likely be violence anyways due to the fact that we spoke of those things.

Free speech is threatened in Florida, and a new twist is happening in New York City, something that Israel has seen does not work, and that is LAND FOR PEACE.

The Ground Zero mosque is about LAND FOR PEACE. If we give islam the land to make a mosque, there will be peace. If we do not give islam the land, there will be violence.

Think this through people. In both of these cases, neither has anything to do with the original concerns people expressed. It is solely about whether we submit to islamic sensitivities or have violence.

It is about Islamic blackmail of the United States.

James Bancroft USMC 1977-1981


8 posted on 09/12/2010 4:31:55 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: Scanian

There is Nothing Peaceful about Islam! Just look at the Actions of Islam! Horrible and Atrocious! There will be NO Ground Zero Mosque! EVER!


9 posted on 09/12/2010 4:33:44 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: Scanian

Ever notice how those promoting the Muslim cause—are using the exact same tactics—even instruments—and terms used whenever the reprobate homosexuals do their thang? Is Islam queer? Or just a devilish bloody religion of forced belief?


10 posted on 09/12/2010 4:34:25 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: RaceBannon
A fan of Gert, huh? ;*)

No matter if it was a working protest for you...thanks for being there! Happy to hear there were 10,000 willing to defend America!

11 posted on 09/12/2010 4:37:51 AM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: RaceBannon

Good to see that some minds are able to resist the Hypnosis. I guess I have always been a Cynic. I do think this President is a card carrying Communist but you must be able to comprehend what he says. He is very good at making Socialism sound good and harmless. Collectivism is his game. I see it as a huge Ponzi Scheme Pyramid deal with only him and his cronies at the top. His gift is making it sound good to the gullible. The Communists and Muslims are in Cahoots to bring America down.


12 posted on 09/12/2010 4:39:55 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (counter revolutionary)
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To: Scanian

All you need to know about the speaker at the protest:

“For decades, Clark has consistently condemned American foreign policy and its related military campaigns, from the Vietnam War, to the Iraq War, to the broader War on Terror. Conversely, he has backed myriad groups, governments, and individuals with rabidly anti-American, and even terrorist, agendas. Whatever the nature of any conflict, Clark invariably sides with America’s adversary:”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=781

Ramsey is more like cat scat.


13 posted on 09/12/2010 4:41:30 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: RaceBannon
Also...
I failed to comment on this most excellent post when I saw it yesterday. It is great to see someone actually "get it" and articulate the real reasoning behind all the rhetoric so succinctly.

It is solely about whether we submit to islamic sensitivities or have violence.

It is about Islamic blackmail of the United States.

14 posted on 09/12/2010 4:44:46 AM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: screaminsunshine
The Communists and Muslims are in Cahoots to bring America down.

EXACTLY! It worked well for the muslims to align themselves with Hitler and the Fascists. No reason to think their collusion with the communists won't work just as well.

15 posted on 09/12/2010 4:50:16 AM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: Just A Nobody

Seems so to me. Look at any MSM Leftist. Pro-Muslim anti-American. The Soviets were always Pro-Muslim too. Just like Obama their Manchurian Mole President.


16 posted on 09/12/2010 4:54:10 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (counter revolutionary)
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To: screaminsunshine
The mooseslimes see America as a bunch of cowards. They saw how they could convince us to push to stop the pastor from burning the koran by saying it would endanger our soldiers. Now they are taking the next step and saying we will be in peril if we stop their celebration of their victory on 9/11.
We have got too many anti-American terrorist lovers following their anti-American terrorist cowardly leaders like Ron Paul, and cindy sheehan.
Bullies never back down until someone stands up to them.
It is time for us to stop following the "put our head in the sand" theory cowards like Ron Paul are professing, and take America back.
17 posted on 09/12/2010 4:59:35 AM PDT by John D
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To: John D
You get it. A counter revolution is what we need. The Communist Revolution has already occurred although many do not want to accept it and remain in denial due to PC. The next election will put the RNC back in charge of the Congress but again the people will be disappointed because the RNC can not make Socialism work any better than the DNC. Reid was right. The war is lost. But not in Iraq...here.
18 posted on 09/12/2010 5:05:08 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (counter revolutionary)
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To: Scanian

I think what was most gut turning in this article were the twenty year old girls wearing head scarves and blowing a horn. How obnoxious. It is this type of arrogant, spoiled and grossly leftist college student that got off their usually lazy behinds in 2008, and put Obama into office. They are godless and directionless and will continue to be so as long as you have academics filling them up with leftist, atheistic propaganda.


19 posted on 09/12/2010 5:25:38 AM PDT by sueuprising
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To: Scanian
Define the enemy, and begin to secure the victory.

Our rulers (past and present) do not want to win.

20 posted on 09/12/2010 5:28:06 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform)
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