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Would pay-to-drive solve congestion problems?
WTOP ^ | Monday, September 12, 2010 | Evan Haning

Posted on 09/13/2010 8:15:34 AM PDT by Willie Green

WASHINGTON - Imagine having to pay to travel on most of the major roads in the region.

The idea creating 1,650 miles of "variably priced" lanes on Capital Beltway, Interstates 270, 66 and 95, Route 50, the George Washington Parkway and others, is being floated as a "what-if" scenario by area transportation officials.

"Congestion is a major threat to the economic vitality of the region and the quality of life its residents enjoy," says a new report from the National Capital Region Transportation Planning Board.

Charging a variable toll to drive major commuter routes would increase speeds 15 mph to 20 mph on average, according to estimates. Officials say that widespread tolls would help minimize their overall cost.

"This is not a proposal, it's a 'what if' study that provides very interesting insight into the implications of tolling for our region," says Arlington County Board Member Chris Zimmerman.

The report emphasizes that this analysis is "designed to elicit discussion, not to provide conclusive answers."

Other "what if" scenarios explore the expansion of bus service, changing patterns of development and the impact of workers moving closer to their jobs.

The National Capital Region Transportation Planning Board meets Wednesday to discuss the report.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bloomberg; fail; homelandsecurity; liberalfascism; obama; taxes; traffic
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To: Lurker
We already pay to drive on public roads. It's called "Fuel taxes".

As usual, you are wrong.
Fuel taxes and user fees barely provide half of the Highway Subsidy.

Analysis Finds Shifting Trends in Highway Funding: User Fees Make Up Decreasing Share

21 posted on 09/13/2010 8:31:28 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
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To: Willie Green

I sort of don’t care, because you shouldn’t have to be wealthy to drive on the roads in this country.


23 posted on 09/13/2010 8:34:20 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Willie Green

As everyone points out, our tax dollars do pay for the roads.

On the other hand, the scarce good here is the right of way. A highway can only hold so many cars at peak hour. The only two ways to decide who gets the scarce good is by seeing who is willing to wait in traffic (allocating by time) or seeing who is willing to pay (allocating by cost.) Most economists would argue that allocating by cost is more efficient. I am surprised by the freeper opposition.


24 posted on 09/13/2010 8:35:15 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Willie Green
I think such an idea is better than the HOV lanes we have in the DC metro area. While I live close enough in to not worry about the various highways, why not do away with HOV and institute variable tolls on those lanes, allowing drivers the choice of paying a premium for a faster lane?

The point of those making the existing tax argument is well taken, but currently 25-33% of useable roadway is accessible only to multi-occupant vehicles. And in the case of I-66, 100% inaccessible to single-occupant vehicles at peak times.

25 posted on 09/13/2010 8:36:05 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Willie Green

How about no use of the public roads except for government vehicles?

That’d clear almost all of the traffic, minimize commute times, and, in general, clean up all of the DC traffic problems. Worked well in Moscow, or so I’m told.

We’d have to increase the vehicle taxes, though, since the gas taxes would, obviously, decrease. Second thought, increase the gas tax too, to pay for the commuter rail.

All sides would be winners, since while the “important” wouldn’t be inconvenienced, the unwashed would have the time they spend on their budgeting and travel planning minimized, since they’d have neither money to spend nor travel options.


26 posted on 09/13/2010 8:37:48 AM PDT by benewton (I)
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To: Willie Green
Fuel taxes and user fees barely provide half of the Highway Subsidy.

Maybe if the didn't p*** it away on projects other than roads they'd have it.

It doesn't really matter. This is a stupid idea cooked up by a bunch of socialist thieves.

I can't wait for November...we're going to toss jokers like this out of their comfortable taxpayer provided jobs by the thousands.

We're going to kill off their stupid taxpayer sponsored 'mass transit' and 'high speed rail' projects by the hundreds.

The wailing and gnashing of socialist teeth like yours will bring joy to my heart.

See you in November Willie.

27 posted on 09/13/2010 8:37:49 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Our man in washington

The opposition comes because the LIBs/Asshats are constantly spending gasoline tax money on bike paths and mass transportation...not building roads.


28 posted on 09/13/2010 8:37:54 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Our man in washington

Completely agree.


29 posted on 09/13/2010 8:38:26 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Willie Green

We already pay...It’s called a gas tax.


30 posted on 09/13/2010 8:38:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Sacajaweau

No kidding, I already pay to drive.


31 posted on 09/13/2010 8:39:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Willie Green

IOW a stealth road tax.

what would help congestion is “autodrive” cars where these senile or clueless drivers who don’t know where they are or what they are doing can have a GPS computer drive the car for them.

We have cars that self park, we should already have cars that self drive.


32 posted on 09/13/2010 8:39:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Willie Green
If they really want to ease traffic congestion and raise more money, all they have to do is 1) arrest, jail, and deport all illegal alien drivers in this area, and 2) sieze the cars of, and heavily fine those around here who drive without insurance, licenses, and/or registration.

That would reduce traffic and accidents around 20-30%, I'd bet.

33 posted on 09/13/2010 8:42:55 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: RockinRight

slaves must obey their DC overlords.


34 posted on 09/13/2010 8:43:42 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RockinRight

Brilliant analysis - I can see your entire scenario unfolding in that way.


35 posted on 09/13/2010 8:44:24 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote McCarthy (MA-6)/Bielat (MA-4). MA-4 is Bwaney's district.)
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To: Willie Green

Traffic congestion in the DC area could be thinned substantially by sharp cuts in the size of the Federal Government.


36 posted on 09/13/2010 8:45:47 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Lurker
We're going to kill off their stupid taxpayer sponsored 'mass transit' and 'high speed rail' projects by the hundreds.

Damn straight we are.
37 posted on 09/13/2010 8:45:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Willie Green

That’s an interesting position for you Willie. It would seem that you now are against building costly mass transit and high speed rail as none of these systems is self-sustaining.


38 posted on 09/13/2010 8:48:06 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Mr. Bird

I-66 is the only road that I could see them tolling. Extend the Dulles Tollway from the Airport to I-66 and through to Downtown. And, charge EVERYBODY tolls, including those going to the airport (except delivery trucks, buses, and taxis- a special airport rate in the cab would make up for this).


39 posted on 09/13/2010 8:49:32 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: cripplecreek; Willie Green
Go to the website of this stupid "planning board" and read the about page. Apparently there's one of these parasitic organizations mandated by Federal law "in every urbanized area with a population over 50,000."

Wouldn't you love to learn what the combined annual salaries of these jokers is? I know I would.

I think I've identified one of the first organizations to be defunded, defanged, and repealed out of existence come January.

40 posted on 09/13/2010 8:54:28 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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