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Red China: Chinese think tank warns US it will emerge as loser in trade war
The Telegraph ^ | 9/14/2010 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 09/14/2010 1:44:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

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To: TwelveOfTwenty

No, what disappoints me is that you think you are arguing with a figment of your imagination . . . I tried to bring some real-life considerations into our discussion, and I failed.


121 posted on 09/16/2010 4:37:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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No, you and I just stressed different sides of the issue. I agreed with your point about government interference several times.

But let's be real, if Americans make $50,000 a year and foreigners make $2.00 a day, yes, it's going to cost more to make things here. I can accept that since I have one of those jobs, but it's why a lot of our jobs are being shipped overseas.

But, OK I'll say it again, government interference is causing more problems than it's solving with manufacturing here. I will put that in my pipe and smoke it. YOU WIN.

122 posted on 09/16/2010 4:59:51 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Thank you for reminding all of us that American consumers should buy American products. No one had ever thought of it before.


123 posted on 09/16/2010 5:04:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

We should always buy American products....to save American jobs....even if it costs more jobs than it saves.


124 posted on 09/16/2010 7:17:11 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I have no problem with buying American products, or paying more. But I’m not paying 50 cents more, while thinking that it will somehow stop our government from borrowing from the Chinese in order to fund unemployment benefits, etc.


125 posted on 09/17/2010 6:07:28 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Colvin
"Sorry, missed the Roofer example."

I am afraid you misunderstood it. I made two points: any enforcement of the prices (including those of labor) are (i) unfair to those whom they supposedly are intended to protect, and (ii) impractical. I would add the third, which is the real reason I am replying at some length: by advocating "protections" you empower the government (socialism of fascism, depending on details), which is completely incapable of doing what you want to achieve. You are working against the conservative principles to which you supposedly aspire.

Your remark about illegals is both irrelevant and incorrect. I was giving an example of people being free to buy goods or services wherever those happen to be. This does not involve breaking the law. Outsourcing is in line but not illegal immigration.

As a conservative you should understand that only the employee is responsible for making his job worthwhile, not the government or anybody else. One should be either increase his productivity or agree to lower wages. Only the market knows what our labor is worth.

126 posted on 09/19/2010 5:30:31 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Colvin
"As for Economics, I take it you mean the brilliant minds that think the bank bailout was a brilliant idea, and that the stimulus worked."

Here you confuse economics, a body of knowledge, with economists, people who merely profess or use that knowledge. People are imperfect, and economist are know to misuse the pulpit for the benefit of their political views. Things you discuss, however, are basic economics, on which economists have no disagreement. Bailouts are completely irrelevant to what we have been discussing.

If what I wrote has not made you think, I cannot help you any further.

127 posted on 09/19/2010 5:34:48 PM PDT by TopQuark
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