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Attorney says Fort Hood (Nidal Hasan) hearing should be closed (nothing to see here, move along)
AP via google ^ | 9 16, 2010 | ANGELA K. BROWN

Posted on 09/16/2010 7:19:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise

...Defense attorney John Galligan wants next month's Article 32 hearing for Maj. Nidal Hasan (nih-DAHL' hah-SAHN') closed to the public, including the media and victims' relatives. An Article 32 hearing is similar to a civilian grand jury proceeding.

... Galligan says he's worried about Hasan's ability to get a fair trial if the Article 32 hearing set for Oct. 12 is kept open.

Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder in the Nov. 5 shootings in a building on the Texas Army post.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: americanjihad; domesticterrorism; forthood; fthood; fthoodmassacre; nidalhasan; obamasfault; politicalcorrectness; transparency

1 posted on 09/16/2010 7:19:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

Go like this and say wrong.

Gee whatever happened to transparency?

Or does that not apply to terrorists.


2 posted on 09/16/2010 7:21:32 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: a fool in paradise

Click here for full story:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/email/s_699551.html?_s_icmp=et



3 posted on 09/16/2010 7:23:36 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: a fool in paradise
You know what they're going to claim next...temporary insanity.

Don't be surprised if the CIC gives him a pardon.

4 posted on 09/16/2010 7:24:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: a fool in paradise
It is the DEFENSE position that they should be closed.

The Prosecution (i.e. the governments position) is that they should be open.

The editorial comment in the headline gave the mistaken impression that this was some sort of cover-up, a further downplaying of this by our government, rather than a sensible move by a Defense attorney in protecting his client.

5 posted on 09/16/2010 7:24:31 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: a fool in paradise
“Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential (Obama) Transition”
6 posted on 09/16/2010 7:25:11 AM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Sacajaweau

The media has already tried calling this a case of “workplace related violence”, like someone in a mailroom or who’s been fired.

Sorry, that boat ain’t gonna float.
Nidal already boasted to his fellow doctors that he would cut the heads off the infidels.


7 posted on 09/16/2010 7:27:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Give him a fair trial and then hang him. A Firing Squad is for gentleman soldiers.


8 posted on 09/16/2010 7:28:41 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Ev Reeman

I’m not seeing the part on the Nidal Hasan case there.


9 posted on 09/16/2010 7:30:12 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: a fool in paradise
The only hearing that should be is:

Do you have any last requests?

Would you like a blindfold?

Ready, Aim, FIRE!

10 posted on 09/16/2010 7:34:45 AM PDT by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: a fool in paradise

What gets me is that all his pre-massacre activities didn’t seem to raise eyebrows, but a NJ Transit worker who burns pages from a Koran at a 9/11 rally is immediately fired.

I would think that first amendment protections would apply to a public employee at least as much as to a member of the military.


11 posted on 09/16/2010 7:42:56 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

Nidal Hasan was even communicating with terrorists abroad.

He was kept in position because of political correctness.

We’ve been told that as tragic as the shooting of nearly 50 Americans was, it would be “even more tragic” if it lessened our tolernace and diversity in the military, no matter what the transgressions of the figure (like making death threats and communicating with terrorists).


12 posted on 09/16/2010 7:44:57 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: a fool in paradise

I know. I found that attitude from the US military commander absolutely disgusting.

We can’t win a war against jihad if we deny we are even facing a threat.

People had better wake up, and soon.


13 posted on 09/16/2010 7:46:38 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: a fool in paradise

It shows who this administration thinks are terrorists and are willing to CALL terrorists and those that are not.


14 posted on 09/16/2010 7:46:46 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: a fool in paradise

The victim count should be 14. One of the victims was pregnant!


15 posted on 09/16/2010 7:48:23 AM PDT by getarope (One Big Ass Mistake, America!)
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To: a fool in paradise
 
 
That's hilarious - Galligan has constantly been in the local newspapers or on TV around here yapping about his poor little client to the public - if he's so worried about any "ability to get a fair trial" maybe he should start by closing his own trap.
 
 

16 posted on 09/16/2010 7:52:38 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Are grand jury proceedings usually open to the public or not? Thought so. Art 32 is a grand jury proceeding in a military court.

Due process is due process. Then hang him.


17 posted on 09/16/2010 7:55:45 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: a fool in paradise

Obama and Holder will make sure that this trial takes place after the mid-terms and that the “grand jury” hearings next month are closed as much as possible. This undercuts the theme that Islam is the religion of peace and that American Muslims are loyal and trustworthy.


18 posted on 09/16/2010 8:00:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: a fool in paradise

yah...we just need to educate the troops about “the dangers of workplace violence”.

“Ali Baba he’s a different species...”


19 posted on 09/16/2010 8:01:02 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Maj. Nidal Hasan is a Mass Murdering Muslim motivated by his fanatical belief in Islam and his hatred for America.

Judge Roy Bean presiding would say:

Your goig to get a fair trial. We’re going to find you guilty and hang you later today. Do you have anything to say? If you do I’ll hold you in further contempt and we’ll carry out the sentence much earlier.


20 posted on 09/16/2010 8:21:55 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: a fool in paradise

Maj. Nidal Hasan is a Mass Murdering Muslim motivated by his fanatical belief in Islam and his hatred for America.

Judge Roy Bean presiding would say:

Your goig to get a fair trial. We’re going to find you guilty and hang you later today. Do you have anything to say? If you do I’ll hold you in further contempt and we’ll carry out the sentence much earlier.


21 posted on 09/16/2010 8:26:50 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: a fool in paradise

Brfore it is over, they will decide that he had a First Amendment right to shoot the people and the officer that shot him will be prosecuted for committing a hate crime.

We live today in an upside dowm world where right is wrong and wrong is right. never thought I would live to see it, but, here we are.


22 posted on 09/16/2010 8:32:27 AM PDT by sport
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To: Manly Warrior

Article 32 hearings are only similar to grand jury proceedings if you are a reporter trying to explain things you don’t really understand. They both determine whether there is sufficient grounds for a further trial (court martial in the case of the military). However, article 32 hearings were always open to any member of the command in my 20 years in the Navy. Most people just had other obligations at the time they were held, or had no interest in the event. One summer, 30 or so of us Midshipmen on a training cruise were ordered to be at an Article 32 hearing as a training event. Not a very exclusive event.


23 posted on 09/16/2010 8:49:28 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Manly Warrior

Article 32 hearings are only similar to grand jury proceedings if you are a reporter trying to explain things you don’t really understand. They both determine whether there is sufficient grounds for a further trial (court martial in the case of the military) and an Article 32 hearing can result in punishment, unlike a grand jury outcome. However, article 32 hearings were always open to any member of the command in my 20 years in the Navy. Most people just had other obligations at the time they were held, or had no interest in the event. One summer, 30 or so of us Midshipmen on a training cruise were ordered to be at an Article 32 hearing as a training event. Not a very exclusive event.


24 posted on 09/16/2010 8:51:03 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: a fool in paradise
 
 
Just got word that Galligan's whining about having the proceedings closed has been denied by the judge, also the autopsy reports on the victims will be admitted, and another psych exam by a different head doctor has been ordered.
 
 

25 posted on 09/16/2010 9:11:36 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: massgopguy

No death penalty for him. Then he gets to be what they consider a martyr. He can work the rest of his life cleaning the dog pens at an animal shelter or shoveling pig #%$* at a hog farm. With a female guard to tell him what to do. He’d off himself inside of 6 months.


26 posted on 09/16/2010 12:03:56 PM PDT by greatplains
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To: a fool in paradise

Hasan and any like him should be tried exactly by the same
standard they used when they decided to commit Jihad.I think
using them as target in shooting range— or maybe dressing them in all white robes then requiring them to submit to having their foolish head lopped off might improve the situation.


27 posted on 09/16/2010 12:29:33 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: sniper63

OR how about making him live with pigs -sleeping with them,
eating what they refuse to eat.Just put him in a wild boar pen
at a zoo somewhere until his bloody god claims what is left
I would not help him find what their bloody religion calls
Paradise.Let the pigs have him.


28 posted on 09/16/2010 12:34:29 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: cvq3842

The Army has another one—an enlisted clown at Ft.Hood who
says the American people Hate Islam— their opposition to his
right to build a mosque near Ground Zero is a slap in the face to the proud Muslim male.... A DI ought kick his behind until
you could check the spit shine every time Zachari Klawonn
cries Allah- the Army has learned nothing from the Hasan Jihad. Nor from 9-11-01.OR any other act of Islamic terror.


29 posted on 09/16/2010 12:39:44 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: sport

Yes and what about prosecuting to the fullest extant of the law those responsible for 9/11 and the attack on the USS Cole.

Hang em all. NOW! Right after we give them a military tribunal fair trial.


30 posted on 09/17/2010 5:37:28 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: StonyBurk

The punishment should fit the crime.

Kill the son of a bitch by a firing squad or hang the S.O.B.


31 posted on 09/17/2010 5:39:40 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: StonyBurk

I say let’s show all these Jihadists just how much America hates Islam terrorists. Hang the MF.


32 posted on 09/17/2010 5:42:33 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Ev Reeman

Please hang him or shoot him on u-tube for all mooslim sympathizers to see. I mean...I realize that he before the trial is only the “alleged” killer. At least no one is referring to him as “the gentleman...”


33 posted on 09/17/2010 5:43:23 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Pecos

While I am certainly no expert, I do not think an investigating officer, the official at a Art 32 hearing, can punish-only commanders can adjudicate non-judicial punishment, and only a courts-martial (with either soley a judge in summary proceedings or a jury in other types (genreal, specific BC etc) can convict of crime.

If they are allowed to be open, then fine, so what, if they are closed, same-same. I have been involved in a few as a commanding officer or as a witness, and I gave no thought as to whether it was open or closed. The people who needed to be there were so ordered or invited at government expense if not government/military members. Of course, they were not of the visibility this case is.

The outcome of this event will be that the investigating officer will recommend to the General C-M convening authority (commanding general of either FT Hood/III Corps or the next CG) to proceed with a genreal courts-martial.


34 posted on 09/17/2010 8:59:29 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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