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Christine O'Donnell, Tolkien scholar
Salon ^ | 09/16/2010 | Tracy Clark-Flory

Posted on 09/16/2010 10:09:21 AM PDT by Pyro7480

We've learned a lot of quirky facts about Christine O'Donnell. We already knew the Republican Senate nominee abhorred masturbation and believed that looking at pornography was cheating. Well, yesterday, we learned yet more about her view of relations between the sexes – through, of all things, her analysis of J.R.R. Tolkien's work. In a 2003 essay, she wrote about the roles of women in "Lord of the Rings" and argued that Tolkein's female characters offer "insight into what it means to be a woman." But, more importantly, O'Donnell's exegesis gives insight into what she thinks it means to be a woman. Let's take a look, shall we?

She explains that Tolkein's "female characters, although drastically different from each other in personality, manifest at their core, true womanly femininity," and each represents a different female archetype, as she puts it: the "matriarch, princess, and warrior."

...What's most interesting is that, despite waxing poetic about the Middle Earth equivalent of stay-at-home moms, O'Donnell seems to identify more with Eowyn, "Arwen’s opposite." While Arwen is "content to stay at home," Eowyn "feels caged in her role as nursemaid to an ailing king." It's easy to see how this character might inform O'Donnell's personal mythology: "She displays an absolute refusal to watch her country fall down around her while she is doing nothing," she says....

O'Donnell is clearly a determined striver, but it seems she also romanticizes traditional female roles. It's kinda like Sarah Palin claiming to be a regular ol' hockey mom at the same time that she was running for vice president of the United States -- indeed, some are calling O'Donnell "the next Sarah Palin." For now, all I'm comfortable concluding is that she's an Eowyn running on an Arwen platform.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Delaware
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1 posted on 09/16/2010 10:09:24 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: HairOfTheDog

Tolkien ping!


2 posted on 09/16/2010 10:10:01 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
This is why all of Hussein's past has been thoroughly scrubbed. Also why PIAPS’s college thesis was hidden from view for decades.
3 posted on 09/16/2010 10:11:18 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: Pyro7480

Frodo and Sam supports her


4 posted on 09/16/2010 10:12:07 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: SF_Redux

if you can’t trust Hobbits, who can you trust


5 posted on 09/16/2010 10:12:51 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: Pyro7480

Lil’ Miss Tracy clearly didn’t see the movie, then. No stay-at-home Tolkien heroines there, if memory serves.


6 posted on 09/16/2010 10:12:56 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Pyro7480
For now, all I'm comfortable concluding is that she's an Eowyn running on an Arwen platform.

What's an "Arwen platform"? Is that where women are beautiful, stay at home, and just comfort their manfolk? Is there any reason at all to think that this is O'Donnell's platform?

And does this journalist even know that Tolkien's view of the world is a profoundly Christian view? I bet the journalist hasn't a clue.

7 posted on 09/16/2010 10:14:34 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: Pyro7480

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8 posted on 09/16/2010 10:15:47 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Pyro7480
Comic Book Guy - DM Pictures, Images and Photos

Karl Rove will have to change his tone now.

9 posted on 09/16/2010 10:16:29 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Pyro7480
My precioussssss

10 posted on 09/16/2010 10:17:31 AM PDT by Waverunner (")
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To: Pyro7480

Christine O’Donnell has made inroads into the Geek community! Geeks vote!


11 posted on 09/16/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Pyro7480

Huh. I heard about that essay when it came out, but didn’t connect it with the woman running for office. Yes, the women in Tolkien offer a refreshing alternative to the usual feminist nonsense.

I don’t know about these stories floating around that she quarreled with the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. I don’t think you can trust ANY of these stories without a lot of checking. But she wrote the essay for their journal.

I have a friend who has worked with the ISI from time to time, and did a book with them. It’s a good organization—conservative, traditional Catholic, concerned about all the rotten Catholic dissidents who have polluted Catholic education in recent decades, and concerned to counter the postmodernist nonsense that came to dominate academia.

So, interesting that she was drawn to work with the ISI. That in itself seems to be another good sign.


12 posted on 09/16/2010 10:18:37 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Ya just can’t win. Ya don’t read a book, you’re a dummy. You read a book...you’re a dummy. I give a thumbs up to Christine for getting through that tome.


13 posted on 09/16/2010 10:18:57 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: BelegStrongbow

“If you want him, come and claim him!”


14 posted on 09/16/2010 10:19:20 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: BenLurkin

My first thought when I read this -

they can dig up EVERY BIT of academic work of ANY conservative,

but EVERY BIT of anything the COMMUNISTS have ever written is off limits, sealed, and kept secret.


15 posted on 09/16/2010 10:19:20 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: iowamark

NOW $1,000,000!

100%


16 posted on 09/16/2010 10:20:59 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: Pyro7480

Since the democrats can’t really talk about the ideology of their man Coons, they will focus on personal attacks on O’Donnell.

This is when O’Donnell needs to focus on policy and the ideology of Coons.

Best guess there is some smut in his past, but his ideology is the best attack.


17 posted on 09/16/2010 10:22:41 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Pyro7480
We already knew the Republican Senate nominee abhorred masturbation and believed that looking at pornography was cheating

GASP!

18 posted on 09/16/2010 10:25:07 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: BenLurkin

PIAP’S = ???


19 posted on 09/16/2010 10:26:36 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Pyro7480
I'm comfortable concluding is that she's an Eowyn running on an Arwen platform.

My head is spinning. Mordor says this?

20 posted on 09/16/2010 10:28:30 AM PDT by bvw
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To: BelegStrongbow; Pyro7480

Movie changes the role Arwen completely. In the book she stays at Rivendel the whole time.. and only goes to Gondor after the fighting is over. Elf that helps the hobbits on the way to Rivendel is Glorfindel and not Arwen.

Eowyn’s character in the movies is extremely well done, she fits with Tolkien’s view of her really well and the actress playing her did an amazing job.


21 posted on 09/16/2010 10:29:57 AM PDT by dimk
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To: BenLurkin

Tolkien is pretend, this is REAL:

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acriticalobserver.com ^ | 15 SPT, 2010 | Editor

Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:58:24 PM by acriticalobserver.com

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22 posted on 09/16/2010 10:30:24 AM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Pyro7480
Media leftists have an amazing ability to endear me to candidates I was previously ambivalent about.
23 posted on 09/16/2010 10:30:39 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Jack Black

PIAPS is the acronym used to describe Hillary Clinton. It stands for “Pig In A Pants Suit.”


24 posted on 09/16/2010 10:34:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: SF_Redux

“Ents for O’Donnell”


25 posted on 09/16/2010 10:34:45 AM PDT by eCSMaster
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To: Pyro7480
When will Salon analyze the college essays of Obam??? .../sarc

Dream : During an upcoming presser for Odonnell when asked about her JRRT writings , she asks purporter their take on Obam's essays....(it could happen)

26 posted on 09/16/2010 10:34:49 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: Pyro7480

The disdain of morality and traditions just drip off this hit piece.


27 posted on 09/16/2010 10:36:55 AM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: dimk

You are 100% correct, sir (or ma’am).


28 posted on 09/16/2010 10:37:43 AM PDT by eCSMaster
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To: Pyro7480

Congrats on the FR thread ping! Hah, this salon idiot probably has no clue about Tolkien. Tying O’Donnell to Tolkien is terrific - for Christine O’Donnell!


29 posted on 09/16/2010 10:40:08 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe baby!)
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To: Pyro7480

Oh dear me! The horrors! The woman can read and critically analyze literature! That will never do for a politician! If elected, she might actually read some of those 2000+ page bills!


30 posted on 09/16/2010 10:41:22 AM PDT by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: BenLurkin

Exactly - no essays from Brilliant Great Leader are accessible for the general review. I wonder why. It’s probably because our eyes would be burned from our skulls because of his brilliant insights.


31 posted on 09/16/2010 10:42:43 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Pyro7480

Balrogs for O’Donnell, ha ha ha


32 posted on 09/16/2010 10:45:22 AM PDT by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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To: sitetest

Ha ha!


33 posted on 09/16/2010 10:50:59 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: ltc8k6

...or another wince-worthy line. “What’s this; a ranger caught off his guard?”


34 posted on 09/16/2010 10:56:01 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: Pyro7480

DemocRATs = Orcs


35 posted on 09/16/2010 10:57:02 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: dimk

Ummm...checked my username lately? :)

I’m quite aware of Arwen’s canonical stance. It is partly a result of her father’s protectiveness after her mother was attacked by orcs, forcing her to take ship to Valinor.

The activities Arwen undertakes in the movie served several narrative purposes, perhaps the most important of which being to establish a female presence in the first third. Eowyn, as you note, takes good care of the rest of the film until Rosie can finish. Arwen’s ranger days are short, even in the film, one notes: she fetches the fledgling Fellowship across Bruinen, replacing Glorfindel (who apparently is the one reminding her not to ride so slowly to the Havens in film three). After she gets back to Imladris, she basically does not leave, so the departure is actually smaller than most people appreciate.

Consider what they thought of doing: having HER lead the Elves to Helm’s Deep and participate in the fight. It’s a good thing Liv Tyler does not have the physique to deliver a female action role. Think of what would have happened had someone like Grace Park or Gina Torres been cast...

Big loss, though: I would have loved to have had Halbarad and Elrond’s sons ride up with Anduril. Probable reason: they would diminish Legolas and Orlando was having enough trouble getting seen as it was.


36 posted on 09/16/2010 11:05:57 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: ltc8k6

That was her best scene, IMHO.


37 posted on 09/16/2010 11:07:32 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Pyro7480
For now, all I'm comfortable concluding is that she's an Eowyn running on an Arwen platform.

I wrote a paper on "Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension" in college, but it really didn't significantly inform or direct my life beyond the moment I submitted it.

38 posted on 09/16/2010 11:12:01 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Pyro7480

Article summary:

O’Donnell = like Palin = therefore all must be taught to hate her.


39 posted on 09/16/2010 11:16:51 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann)
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To: Impy; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; nutmeg

Sweet Jesus in Heaven - she’s a SciFi nerd!!!

She can be the Padme to my Anakin (yes I know it’s Star Wars).

I LOVE YOU CHRISTINE!!! HERE’S MY LIGHT SABRE!!!


40 posted on 09/16/2010 11:31:09 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Support and vote for Sean Bielat (MA-4)! MA-4 is Barney Frank's district.)
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To: eCSMaster

“Ents for O’Donnell”
:-}


41 posted on 09/16/2010 11:33:02 AM PDT by Laulee
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To: BelegStrongbow

I disagree; that scene weakened Frodo as a character. Remember, in the book, he faced the Nazgul at the ford alone; his companions dove out of the way of the charging riders, knowing that if the elven-horse Frodo rode could not save him, nothing would.

That scene is about Frodo, on his own, rejecting the evil call of the Lord of the Nazgul to come to them and surrender the ring.

The movie scene puts Frodo, symbolically, into the role of a frightened “child” that must be protected by “mother”.


42 posted on 09/16/2010 11:33:35 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: BelegStrongbow

Forgot to add:

The Arwen of the book, though sheltered by a father who did not want to lose her as he had lost her mother, acted in ways that supported the male characters without either diminishing them or emasculating them.


43 posted on 09/16/2010 11:35:08 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: BelegStrongbow
I’m quite aware of Arwen’s canonical stance. It is partly a result...

Well.....um.....I read the entire Lord of the Rings from the inside of a freezer while sailing on the Bering Sea. Kinda cool eh! :)
44 posted on 09/16/2010 11:41:27 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Pyro7480

Well, it’s official.

I now know more about Christine O’Donnell after three days than I know about Obama after three years.


45 posted on 09/16/2010 11:42:21 AM PDT by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: Immerito

Ah. Wasn’t addressing the effect on the film as a whole, just on Liv’s performance. In context, it is second only to having Pippin fool Treebeard as a desecration of the text and your analysis is right on. I actually whispered this to my son as we watched. He nodded: he’d read the book too (he was 11, btw).

And I have pointed out I belive that Elijah Wood was only physically correct for the part. Frodo was 50 when he had to run for it, not 19. Elijah was too young for the part and could not deliver much in the way of dynamics. He mostly looked like someone was using a taser on him through most of the film, IMHO.


46 posted on 09/16/2010 11:44:24 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: mmichaels1970

So you could relate to the Helcaraxe, I see!


47 posted on 09/16/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: roses of sharon

Tolkein did a nice job of writing for being pretend


48 posted on 09/16/2010 11:49:22 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: BelegStrongbow

“He mostly looked like someone was using a taser on him through most of the film, IMHO.”

Clearly, one of the most nefarious abilities of the One Ring is to give its Bearer a wide-eyed, frightened face throughout 9+ hours of film. :-)


49 posted on 09/16/2010 11:49:35 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: roses of sharon

Of course it’s all real; I saw Rivendell, Hobbiton, Rohan, Minas Morgul and Gondor on film between 2001-2003.

You can’t tell ME they were fake sets put up against bluescreen or New Zealand landscape. :-)


50 posted on 09/16/2010 11:52:04 AM PDT by Immerito
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