Skip to comments.Christine O'Donnell, Tolkien scholar
Posted on 09/16/2010 10:09:21 AM PDT by Pyro7480
We've learned a lot of quirky facts about Christine O'Donnell. We already knew the Republican Senate nominee abhorred masturbation and believed that looking at pornography was cheating. Well, yesterday, we learned yet more about her view of relations between the sexes through, of all things, her analysis of J.R.R. Tolkien's work. In a 2003 essay, she wrote about the roles of women in "Lord of the Rings" and argued that Tolkein's female characters offer "insight into what it means to be a woman." But, more importantly, O'Donnell's exegesis gives insight into what she thinks it means to be a woman. Let's take a look, shall we?
She explains that Tolkein's "female characters, although drastically different from each other in personality, manifest at their core, true womanly femininity," and each represents a different female archetype, as she puts it: the "matriarch, princess, and warrior."
...What's most interesting is that, despite waxing poetic about the Middle Earth equivalent of stay-at-home moms, O'Donnell seems to identify more with Eowyn, "Arwens opposite." While Arwen is "content to stay at home," Eowyn "feels caged in her role as nursemaid to an ailing king." It's easy to see how this character might inform O'Donnell's personal mythology: "She displays an absolute refusal to watch her country fall down around her while she is doing nothing," she says....
O'Donnell is clearly a determined striver, but it seems she also romanticizes traditional female roles. It's kinda like Sarah Palin claiming to be a regular ol' hockey mom at the same time that she was running for vice president of the United States -- indeed, some are calling O'Donnell "the next Sarah Palin." For now, all I'm comfortable concluding is that she's an Eowyn running on an Arwen platform.
(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...
Frodo and Sam supports her
if you can’t trust Hobbits, who can you trust
Lil’ Miss Tracy clearly didn’t see the movie, then. No stay-at-home Tolkien heroines there, if memory serves.
What's an "Arwen platform"? Is that where women are beautiful, stay at home, and just comfort their manfolk? Is there any reason at all to think that this is O'Donnell's platform?
And does this journalist even know that Tolkien's view of the world is a profoundly Christian view? I bet the journalist hasn't a clue.
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Huh. I heard about that essay when it came out, but didn’t connect it with the woman running for office. Yes, the women in Tolkien offer a refreshing alternative to the usual feminist nonsense.
I don’t know about these stories floating around that she quarreled with the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. I don’t think you can trust ANY of these stories without a lot of checking. But she wrote the essay for their journal.
I have a friend who has worked with the ISI from time to time, and did a book with them. It’s a good organization—conservative, traditional Catholic, concerned about all the rotten Catholic dissidents who have polluted Catholic education in recent decades, and concerned to counter the postmodernist nonsense that came to dominate academia.
So, interesting that she was drawn to work with the ISI. That in itself seems to be another good sign.
Ya just can’t win. Ya don’t read a book, you’re a dummy. You read a book...you’re a dummy. I give a thumbs up to Christine for getting through that tome.
“If you want him, come and claim him!”
My first thought when I read this -
they can dig up EVERY BIT of academic work of ANY conservative,
but EVERY BIT of anything the COMMUNISTS have ever written is off limits, sealed, and kept secret.
Since the democrats can’t really talk about the ideology of their man Coons, they will focus on personal attacks on O’Donnell.
This is when O’Donnell needs to focus on policy and the ideology of Coons.
Best guess there is some smut in his past, but his ideology is the best attack.
PIAP’S = ???
My head is spinning. Mordor says this?
Movie changes the role Arwen completely. In the book she stays at Rivendel the whole time.. and only goes to Gondor after the fighting is over. Elf that helps the hobbits on the way to Rivendel is Glorfindel and not Arwen.
Eowyn’s character in the movies is extremely well done, she fits with Tolkien’s view of her really well and the actress playing her did an amazing job.
Tolkien is pretend, this is REAL:
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PIAPS is the acronym used to describe Hillary Clinton. It stands for “Pig In A Pants Suit.”
“Ents for O’Donnell”
Dream : During an upcoming presser for Odonnell when asked about her JRRT writings , she asks purporter their take on Obam's essays....(it could happen)
The disdain of morality and traditions just drip off this hit piece.
You are 100% correct, sir (or ma’am).
Congrats on the FR thread ping! Hah, this salon idiot probably has no clue about Tolkien. Tying O’Donnell to Tolkien is terrific - for Christine O’Donnell!
Oh dear me! The horrors! The woman can read and critically analyze literature! That will never do for a politician! If elected, she might actually read some of those 2000+ page bills!
Exactly - no essays from Brilliant Great Leader are accessible for the general review. I wonder why. It’s probably because our eyes would be burned from our skulls because of his brilliant insights.
Balrogs for O’Donnell, ha ha ha
...or another wince-worthy line. “What’s this; a ranger caught off his guard?”
DemocRATs = Orcs
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I’m quite aware of Arwen’s canonical stance. It is partly a result of her father’s protectiveness after her mother was attacked by orcs, forcing her to take ship to Valinor.
The activities Arwen undertakes in the movie served several narrative purposes, perhaps the most important of which being to establish a female presence in the first third. Eowyn, as you note, takes good care of the rest of the film until Rosie can finish. Arwen’s ranger days are short, even in the film, one notes: she fetches the fledgling Fellowship across Bruinen, replacing Glorfindel (who apparently is the one reminding her not to ride so slowly to the Havens in film three). After she gets back to Imladris, she basically does not leave, so the departure is actually smaller than most people appreciate.
Consider what they thought of doing: having HER lead the Elves to Helm’s Deep and participate in the fight. It’s a good thing Liv Tyler does not have the physique to deliver a female action role. Think of what would have happened had someone like Grace Park or Gina Torres been cast...
Big loss, though: I would have loved to have had Halbarad and Elrond’s sons ride up with Anduril. Probable reason: they would diminish Legolas and Orlando was having enough trouble getting seen as it was.
That was her best scene, IMHO.
I wrote a paper on "Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension" in college, but it really didn't significantly inform or direct my life beyond the moment I submitted it.
O’Donnell = like Palin = therefore all must be taught to hate her.
Sweet Jesus in Heaven - she’s a SciFi nerd!!!
She can be the Padme to my Anakin (yes I know it’s Star Wars).
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Ents for ODonnell
I disagree; that scene weakened Frodo as a character. Remember, in the book, he faced the Nazgul at the ford alone; his companions dove out of the way of the charging riders, knowing that if the elven-horse Frodo rode could not save him, nothing would.
That scene is about Frodo, on his own, rejecting the evil call of the Lord of the Nazgul to come to them and surrender the ring.
The movie scene puts Frodo, symbolically, into the role of a frightened “child” that must be protected by “mother”.
Forgot to add:
The Arwen of the book, though sheltered by a father who did not want to lose her as he had lost her mother, acted in ways that supported the male characters without either diminishing them or emasculating them.
Well, it’s official.
I now know more about Christine O’Donnell after three days than I know about Obama after three years.
Ah. Wasn’t addressing the effect on the film as a whole, just on Liv’s performance. In context, it is second only to having Pippin fool Treebeard as a desecration of the text and your analysis is right on. I actually whispered this to my son as we watched. He nodded: he’d read the book too (he was 11, btw).
And I have pointed out I belive that Elijah Wood was only physically correct for the part. Frodo was 50 when he had to run for it, not 19. Elijah was too young for the part and could not deliver much in the way of dynamics. He mostly looked like someone was using a taser on him through most of the film, IMHO.
So you could relate to the Helcaraxe, I see!
Tolkein did a nice job of writing for being pretend
“He mostly looked like someone was using a taser on him through most of the film, IMHO.”
Clearly, one of the most nefarious abilities of the One Ring is to give its Bearer a wide-eyed, frightened face throughout 9+ hours of film. :-)
Of course it’s all real; I saw Rivendell, Hobbiton, Rohan, Minas Morgul and Gondor on film between 2001-2003.
You can’t tell ME they were fake sets put up against bluescreen or New Zealand landscape. :-)