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Pope speech compares atheist 'extremism' with Nazism
bbc ^ | 9/16/10 | staff

Posted on 09/16/2010 10:59:51 AM PDT by Nachum

The Pope has compared ''atheist extremism'' to the Nazi tyranny of WWII in a speech given in Edinburgh as he begins a four-day visit to the UK. The pontiff praised Britain's fight against the Nazis - who ''wished to eradicate God'' - before relating it to modern day ''atheist extremism''. (snip) ''As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the 20th century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society,'' he added.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atheist; extremism; pope; speech
Hmmmm. I wonder what group in American politics are like this?

Just can't think of it.

1 posted on 09/16/2010 11:00:00 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

The Pope is exactly right.

The atheists are not satisfied that they do not have to say a prayer; they will not be satisfied until they take that right and privilege away from everybody else.


2 posted on 09/16/2010 11:02:12 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Nachum
"As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the 20th century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society."

Remarkable observation. If I had read this statement and didn't know who had said it, I'd have sworn it was from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

3 posted on 09/16/2010 11:05:52 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Alberta's Child
It's a strange connection between Hitler and "atheist extremeism".

That description could rightly be applied to Lenin and Stalin and Mao, and is a part of communist ideology.

Hitler may have personally been an atheist but he tired to co-opt the Christian churches in Germany, not ban them. The Nazi party was not officially atheist, as the Communist Party (pretty much all of them) were.

4 posted on 09/16/2010 11:16:57 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Nachum

I am not a Roman Catholic, but sometimes the Pope is right on and I vehemently agree with his comment. Secularism in the post-modern era can easily morph into some kind of oppressive regime... Unfortunately, we have already embarked on that path and this secular liberal hijack of our country can only be reversed when Jews and Christians stand up to this reverse-discrimination of the two greatest faiths and contributors to the development of western civilization, bar none.

Liberalism is truly a mental disorder and secularism ultimately leads to communism inevitably, in an effort where society needs to fill the gap that accountability and faith in a higher power so adequately fulfills.

I am more and more convinced of this with each passing day.


5 posted on 09/16/2010 11:20:33 AM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: Jack Black
Hitler may have personally been an atheist

Hitler was an occultist and Nazism was an occultic ideology.

6 posted on 09/16/2010 11:20:43 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Jack Black

It’s not a strange connection at all. The pope’s point was that the end result is the same.


7 posted on 09/16/2010 11:22:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Nachum

A lot of atheists certainly do seem unhealthily obsessed with controlling others’ beliefs. But saying it’s just because they’re evil, ill-willed Nazis is like a bad writer who can’t conceive of a character having more than one dimension.

I think a lot of atheists envy religious people, and long to take part the beauty, splendor, history, ritual, etc. of religion, but they think not being dead certain of the existence of God excludes them from it—they mistakenly think faith is the absence of doubt, when it is actually making peace with one’s doubts and choosing to believe in spite of them. Nevertheless, if they can’t have all that is wonderful about religion, they don’t want anyone else to have it, either.


8 posted on 09/16/2010 11:23:36 AM PDT by Julia H. (This tagline for rent--only $999.99 a month!)
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To: Nachum; Salvation
us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society,

Good article. This pope is an impressive man.

The notion that it was the atheism of Nazis that led to their extremist and hateful views or that it somehow fuels intolerance in Britain today is a terrible libel against those who do not believe in God.

No, it is spot on.

The notion that it is non-religious people in the UK today who want to force their views on others, coming from a man whose organisation exerts itself internationally to impose its narrow and exclusive form of morality and undermine the human rights of women, children, gay people and many others, is surreal."

Again, it is spot on. Aggressive atheism, which is what he is referring to, very much wants to dominate and exclude the God they don't believe in from the public square.

9 posted on 09/16/2010 11:23:40 AM PDT by marron
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To: fso301

Hitler was a madman whose brain was being rotted away by syphilis.


10 posted on 09/16/2010 11:28:20 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Julia H.

My opinion of atheists is that they are sad or maybe even angry people who do not have anything in their lives to feel joy about or can look to in times of trouble. Maybe atheists just don’t have a productive enough life or are so empty that they cannot fathom or imagine something other than everything around is is not the result of some cosmic accident.


11 posted on 09/16/2010 11:32:42 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Julia H.

My opinion of atheists is that they are sad or maybe even angry people who do not have anything in their lives to feel joy about or can look to in times of trouble. Maybe atheists just don’t have a productive enough life or are so empty that they cannot fathom or imagine something other than everything around us is not the result of some cosmic accident.


12 posted on 09/16/2010 11:33:16 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Nachum

The Pope is the most profound thinker in our world today. What he claims is absolutely true, and being a German, he understood the socialism and godlessness that prevailed in the corrupt Wiemar Republic—homosexuality was considered the “National Vice” of the Germans by every other Nation that had to deal with their diplomats. They were always warned. The brownshirts and leaders of the NAZI party were mostly homosexual or had other sexual perversions like Hitler and hated Christianity because it condemned them. Hitler made the State god. You have to consider a country like that as atheistic and amoral....it certainly was not Christian.

The Pope sounds exactly like our Founding fathers....the need to believe our rights come from the Creator, and for all the Founders, virtue was synonymous with happiness—you can’t have happiness without virtue—not possible.

The Catholic Church aligned their beliefs to Natural Law through the brilliance of Thomas Aquinas which is the foundation of all our laws and rights.

Things which are against Natural Law can NOT be sanctioned—it is understood that laws that go against Natural Law are unjust. Progressives lie and say that Natural Law can “evolve” just like the Constitution.


13 posted on 09/16/2010 11:40:33 AM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Julia H.

Most atheists are not overly concerned with what other people believe, and mostly just want to be left alone without having someone try to shove religion down their throat. As an atheist I’ve never had a problem with most religious folks, other than a few truly offensive ones, and never felt any particular desire to try to talk other people out of their faith. Unlike a lot of people on this forum, I don’t lump all religious people in with the relatively few who are truly aggressive or offensive. Not that we get much respect from a lot of those people, who would rather judge people by what they claim to believe than by their actions.


14 posted on 09/16/2010 11:42:17 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: Ev Reeman
Hitler was a madman whose brain was being rotted away by syphilis.

That Hitler had "issues" is beyond dispute but madman is a dangerously dismissive term used to describe a man who came very close to winning the war.

15 posted on 09/16/2010 11:45:12 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Jack Black
That description could rightly be applied to Lenin and Stalin and Mao, and is a part of communist ideology..

Absolutely. But the Pope is talking to us in the UK, and (like a gracious guest) is commending our part in the fight against the Nazis.

If he'd been visiting Finland, I guess he would have used the USSR as an example instead.

16 posted on 09/16/2010 11:49:59 AM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: fso301

I hear you, and it is indeed profoundly dangerous to dismiss madmen. Some form of madnesses do not reduce a man’s power to do evil: rather they enhance them.

Hitler was (debatably) a paranoiac monomaniac who ruthlessly gained control of the German War Machine.

His madness made him more dangerous and capable. Whereas if he had believed he was a goldfish, he wouldn’t have been dangerous.

We can see this again today. Ahmadinejad is Hitler’s heir: a genocidal realist, paranoid and monomaniac. Is he safer because he is monomanically focused on destroying the Jews? Is he less able to do evil because he is a ‘magical’ thinker who believes that he is the central figure of Islamic prophecy?

Indeed not. We recognize that both men were less than men in certain ways: e.g. their reduced insight. But they possess (or possessed) the very qualities that make a man dangerous in war - and pitiable in peace.


17 posted on 09/16/2010 12:05:17 PM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: agere_contra
Indeed not. We recognize that both men were less than men in certain ways: e.g. their reduced insight. But they possess (or possessed) the very qualities that make a man dangerous in war - and pitiable in peace.

Well written post. Thanks.

18 posted on 09/16/2010 12:43:34 PM PDT by fso301
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To: agere_contra

Well said as usual.

Regards,
AR


19 posted on 09/16/2010 12:51:36 PM PDT by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: Nachum

What did he say about Fundamentalist Muslims?


20 posted on 09/16/2010 2:18:29 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Communities regularly fight the construction projects, Walmarts Starbucks and even tree removal.)
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To: -YYZ-

Honestly, I’ve never understood why so many Christians consider atheism to be their ultimate antagonist. From a Christian standpoint, there are much, much worse things you can do than simply not believe in God. I know the First Commandment and all, but I personally have a hard time judging a person’s moral character based simply on whether he or she believes XYZ exists. Belief isn’t something you can just voluntarily switch on and off. It’s not a decision you can make as easily as choosing whether to kill, steal, etc. Yes, an atheistic worldview is going to have a harder time accounting for absolute morality ON PAPER, but I don’t see the average atheist running around looting, killing and living in amoral chaos, either.

Just as atheists shouldn’t judge all of religion based on what the loudest morons say, I think theists should be careful about mistaking atheism for the militant, dogmatic anti-theism paraded by its proponents as “atheism.” Normal atheists don’t need the entire world to agree with them in order to feel good about themselves, so naturally they’re not going to have a very overstated presence.


21 posted on 09/17/2010 8:21:08 AM PDT by Julia H. (This tagline for rent--only $999.99 a month!)
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