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Cornyn: GOP's stance on social issues alienating independents [shut up John]
Washington Post ^ | September 16, 2010 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 09/17/2010 5:08:46 AM PDT by ejdrapes

Cornyn: GOP's stance on social issues alienating independents

A striking admission from NRSC chair John Cornyn, buried in today's New York Times article about the GOP and the Tea party:

Mr. Cornyn, who has been on the receiving end of anti-establishment anger, argued that the Tea Party had helped Republicans in one important respect, by moving the debate away from social issues. While Tea Party supporters tend to be socially conservative on issues like same-sex marriage and abortion, most say they don't want to talk about them; they believe that by spending so much time on those issues, the Republican Party failed to focus on fiscal conservatism.

While social issues tend to be polarizing, Republicans can win on economic issues, Mr. Cornyn said, because the Democrats have been in charge as the economy has gone south.

"As I've traveled," he said, "I've talked to a lot of folks who are basically independents who say: I'm fine with the Republicans as long as we're talking about fiscal responsibility. Where I go off the reservation is when you talk about social issues."

That seems to be a clear admission from Cornyn that the focus on social issues demanded by social conservatives is driving "a lot" of independents "off the reservation." Very candid.

(Excerpt) Read more at voices.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cornyn; culturewar; homosexualagenda; libertarians; moralabsolutes; rinoaler; rinoalert; rinoparty; rinos
Why do Republicans always concede the point or go along with the media template??? So damn frustrating. At least Pat Buchanan on Morning Joe today said the Tea Party cares about more than just fiscal issues.

We need a new leader of the NRSC.

1 posted on 09/17/2010 5:08:49 AM PDT by ejdrapes
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To: ejdrapes

Social issues are not the biggie this cycle, although it will never go out because it is part of the GOP. But why start a new front when we are already busy and on the right track to win?


2 posted on 09/17/2010 5:12:23 AM PDT by paudio (The Democrats have been majority in Congress since 2006, not 2008!)
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To: ejdrapes

He is trying to rehab his damaged rep, but he isn’t completely wrong about this:

“While Tea Party supporters tend to be socially conservative on issues like same-sex marriage and abortion, most say they don’t want to talk about them; they believe that by spending so much time on those issues, the Republican Party failed to focus on fiscal conservatism.”

TOO MUCH GOVT and TAXATION are two of the basic planks of the TPX.

The biggest “social” issue discussed at the Tea party rallies I have been too are illegals and the immigration problem.


3 posted on 09/17/2010 5:13:32 AM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: ejdrapes
There's a reason they call the GOP the Stupid Party.

Cornyn is Exhibit A.

4 posted on 09/17/2010 5:14:16 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: paudio

What is it with this guy? The republicans are having huge success this year and he’s trying to shrink the tent. This guy obviously fears the correction to the right that the base and tea party are forcing.


5 posted on 09/17/2010 5:15:58 AM PDT by Crooked Constituent
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To: ejdrapes

The polls seem to suggest that independents are moving right despite the social issues.


6 posted on 09/17/2010 5:16:41 AM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: ejdrapes

Ken Mehlman always said the same thing that Cornyn is saying - maybe for the same reason.


7 posted on 09/17/2010 5:17:02 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: ejdrapes
We need a new leader of the NRSC

And we need the Tea Pary Express in TEXAS in 2014..

8 posted on 09/17/2010 5:17:09 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: ejdrapes
We need a new leader of the NRSC

And we need the Tea Pary Express in TEXAS in 2014..

9 posted on 09/17/2010 5:17:09 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: ejdrapes
"Where I go off the reservation is when you talk about social issues."

Then stay the hell off the reservation. Apparently you don't belong to this tribe anyway.

10 posted on 09/17/2010 5:21:34 AM PDT by IbJensen (Our government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.)
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To: ejdrapes

...once again a leader in the GOP falls into the trap down by the liberal media........
Hey Cornyn, the independents make up about 40% of the Tea Party you schmuck, they are losing jobs and money just like everyone else......pay attention or get out of the way!


11 posted on 09/17/2010 5:21:48 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Pietro

Yes, indeed. Maybe he would prefer to lose the votes of social conservatives and see where that takes the GOP.


12 posted on 09/17/2010 5:22:15 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: ejdrapes

With friends like these...
Cornhole is trying extra hard to get booted from the NRSC chairmanship, isn’t he?

I am counting down the days until DeMint takes over.


13 posted on 09/17/2010 5:23:45 AM PDT by counterpunch (Life in Prison: The RINO compromise to "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death")
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To: ejdrapes
I'm not going to be popular here for saying it, but John's right.

If the Republicans take control of at least the House of Representatives and don't focus exclusively on economic issues, the Democrats will be back in power in 2012.

The one exception is immigration policy. But, that's because I consider it to be an economic issue -- and that's how it has to be framed.

14 posted on 09/17/2010 5:24:34 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: ejdrapes

SOCIAL ISSUES ARE THE DEMOCRATS #1 issue.

So far, the Dems control all social issues because that is what they use to manipulate all issues.

I do believe the GOP is itching for a 3rd party. In that case, the GOP would never get another vote from me.

The GOP heirarchy agrees with the democrats because they are Dem lite.

Folks, we are being sandbagged. The GOP would rather lose than allow conservtives to lead.


15 posted on 09/17/2010 5:25:06 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ejdrapes

Sounds like Cornyn is planning to retire after this term. He certainly will be challenged by a conservative Texan otherwise.


16 posted on 09/17/2010 5:27:15 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: ejdrapes

It’s a game. The GOP stands for nothing. It’s all about money and POWER.


17 posted on 09/17/2010 5:28:22 AM PDT by maggief
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To: ejdrapes

Is that dufus still on stage? Where is the hook?


18 posted on 09/17/2010 5:29:41 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Crooked Constituent

He sees the looming shadow of irrelevancy.


19 posted on 09/17/2010 5:30:47 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: indylindy

Hierarchy.


20 posted on 09/17/2010 5:32:18 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: ejdrapes

The purpose of John Cornyn is to make the late John Tower look good by comparison. Like Tower, the longer Cornyn remains in Washington, the more disgusting he becomes.


21 posted on 09/17/2010 5:33:16 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: ejdrapes

What your seeing isn’t the media template, it’s the religion of the ruling class and the people who inhabit boards of director/governors etc (the big money people in the GOP).

They believe in abortion, homo marriage, etc and their ability to advance that agenda without the country bumpkins finding out (GW was a master at this).

The Republican coalition of country clubbers and social conservatives was always doomed to split. The truism is that a party leadership is an extreme version of it’s rank and file. Well obviously that’s true for the GOP only if you look at the values of country clubbers. I’d say it looks like realigning election time now.


22 posted on 09/17/2010 5:33:28 AM PDT by Varda
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To: ejdrapes
What's happened to Cornyn? He used to be a pretty solid conservative, but lately he sounds more like a McCain/Grahmnesty RINO. Must be too much time in Washington, maybe next time hes up for reelection its time to give him a “vacation”.
23 posted on 09/17/2010 5:34:04 AM PDT by apillar
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To: ejdrapes

Greg Sargent from the WaCompost - again - doing all he can to help his life partners, the Democrats.

Honestly, every article Sargent writes is specifically and methodically devised to aid and assist Democrats and injure Republicans.


24 posted on 09/17/2010 5:34:16 AM PDT by Obadiah (I can see November from my house!)
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To: paudio

Hey Cornyn, every time you open your mouth you sound like a blithering Christine Whitmanesque loser. What? Are you trying out for the MSNBC host job when you retire?


25 posted on 09/17/2010 5:35:26 AM PDT by Captain Culpepper
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To: ejdrapes

What does “basically Independent” mean? Either you are or are not an Independent.

Even in California over half the population are AGAINST same sex marriage, so to claim the Conservative position on this is turning anywhere near a majority of people off is nonsense.

And Cornyn says he spoke to “a lot of folks”, what the hell constitutes “a lot of folks”? Is it 10? How about 25? How many?

What we have here is yet another desperate attempt of the dying Lib media to show dissension in the Rep ranks.

To the extent there is any dissension it is having a positive effect on the Party as it is jarring the leaders into becoming conscious of who is REALLY in charge of the Party (hint, it ain’t them)


26 posted on 09/17/2010 5:36:56 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: ejdrapes

I have never quite understood the trade “independents” are willing to make. They would rather have high taxes, oppressive regulation, and big government than risk the possibility of some government restrictions on killing human embryos. This does not sound logical to me.


27 posted on 09/17/2010 5:37:22 AM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: arthurus

oh my, shame on me


28 posted on 09/17/2010 5:38:46 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ejdrapes
social issues alienating independents

Except those independents who call themselves that because the GOP won't come out forthrightly on social issues.

And I'm not sure what's not to like about an issue with 70 percent backing among all Americans, never mind the GOP, such as normal marriage. Pro-life is a majority builder among voters the GOP can bring in, too. Don't forget the voters the Dems steal by pretending to be social conservatives. Remember phonies like Bob Casey and Jim Webb.

Does Cornyn want the GOP to get outflanked to the right again? Remember 2006: Nancy Pelosi and Hilary hid, and the Democratic 527s and candidates were talking about "values" and practically singing psalms. People forget, especially squishes, that nobody voted for liberalism, fiscal or social, in 2006.

29 posted on 09/17/2010 5:50:17 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: paudio

I expect the resignations of John Cornyn and Michael Steele to be on my desk on November 3rd. Win, lose or draw!


30 posted on 09/17/2010 5:56:41 AM PDT by Sundayjack
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To: ejdrapes

Cornyn isnt up for reelection here in Texas till 2014 so he thinks he is safe.

I for one plan on actively campaigning and working against him if he seeks reelection then.

Signed,

Life-long Republican


31 posted on 09/17/2010 5:59:24 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: ejdrapes

Without belief in God there are no inalienable rights.
Rights are then determined by the governing powers.
If you believe in God there are social issues that have to be dealt with according to his will.

So leaving off the social issues will eventually push you to government control.


32 posted on 09/17/2010 6:00:02 AM PDT by jroneil (2010 is just the beginning!)
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To: ejdrapes

John Cornyn RINO clown car driver.

Screw you and your measley $40K, Christine O’Donnell has raised $1.3M and is going for $1.5M.


33 posted on 09/17/2010 6:05:06 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Victory or Death)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

And Mark Moreford is saying the same thing = also for the same reason.


34 posted on 09/17/2010 6:05:47 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: justlurking

The GOP is focusing on economic issues. But that doesn’t mean it’s correct to say Independents don’t care about social issues. The media template right now is the Tea Party only cares about economic issues. I think that’s bunk and Cornyn is an idiot.


35 posted on 09/17/2010 6:09:22 AM PDT by ejdrapes (I like leaders that don't need teleprompters or notes written on their hand....)
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To: Cracker Jack
This does not sound logical to me.

That is because you lack both basic morality, and you approach all things from a perspective that takes atheism as a given.

There is no other way to get where you are. If you were even agnostic then that entails the possibility that your actions today can have consequences that extend beyond your death.

You are up against a fundamentally insurmountable wall between worldviews.

36 posted on 09/17/2010 6:15:29 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ejdrapes

What social issues is he talking about? Pro Life and Traditional Marriage have majority support just about everyplace I can see.


37 posted on 09/17/2010 6:16:01 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MrEdd

Did you actually read what I said? If so, how did you arrive at your response that equates me to an athiest?


38 posted on 09/17/2010 6:34:19 AM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: ejdrapes
Hogwash.. Every time the social issues are placed before the voters anywhere (even in the deep blue uber liberal peoples socialist utopian republic of california) the people say no to perversion and abortion.. that's why it takes judicial activism and degenerate liberal clowns like John Cornyn to foist this BS on the people.

To hell with the RINOs.. Vote em’ all out! ASAP

39 posted on 09/17/2010 3:26:22 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: jroneil
Without belief in God there are no inalienable rights. Rights are then determined by the governing powers. If you believe in God there are social issues that have to be dealt with according to his will. So leaving off the social issues will eventually push you to government control.

As we've seen for the past few decades.

Well said my FRiend.

40 posted on 09/17/2010 10:07:10 PM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: ejdrapes
You want a real problem, Cornyn? If the GOP goes liberal on social issues, watch how fast a third party pops up.

There will be a conservative party on social issues. Whether it will be the GOP or a party to be named later remains to be seen.
41 posted on 09/17/2010 10:12:27 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's long past time for conservatives to stop voting for Republican liberals. Enough!)
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To: SamuraiScot
Except those independents who call themselves that because the GOP won't come out forthrightly on social issues.

Exactly. I am on the verge of becoming an Independent because the Republicans no longer truly espouse conservative social issues.
42 posted on 09/17/2010 10:16:41 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's long past time for conservatives to stop voting for Republican liberals. Enough!)
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To: paudio; All

“But why start a new front when we are already busy and on the right track to win?”

Because what good is “prosperity” if you have to live in a moral sewer to have it?

Having solid employment and being able to feed, cloth, and house yourself are basic needs. Of course, they are VERY important. But do I want that by having to work as the door keeper at a strip club, homosexual bar, or whorehouse...no I don’t. There comes a time when “money” isn’t as important as peace of mind and heart.

I won’t sacrifice freedom or religion and an orderly (moral) society to be prosperous. It is a mistake.

Focusing entirely on “fiscal” issues is a formula for that. As and example, I am livid that a General at the Pentagon said Christians with moral objections to homosexuality are the same as racists and bigots and should leave the military so DADT can be implemented. That is an important issue that must be discussed.


43 posted on 09/18/2010 9:35:14 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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