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Who holds the title of 'Greatest Mass Murderer in History?' (The winner is ....)
American Thinker ^ | 09/17/2010 | Rick Moran

Posted on 09/17/2010 10:15:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

And the winner is...

Mao Zedong, founder of the People's Republic of China, qualifies as the greatest mass murderer in world history, an expert who had unprecedented access to official Communist Party archives said yesterday.

Speaking at The Independent Woodstock Literary Festival, Frank Dikötter, a Hong Kong-based historian, said he found that during the time that Mao was enforcing the Great Leap Forward in 1958, in an effort to catch up with the economy of the Western world, he was responsible for overseeing "one of the worst catastrophes the world has ever known".

Mr Dikötter, who has been studying Chinese rural history from 1958 to 1962, when the nation was facing a famine, compared the systematic torture, brutality, starvation and killing of Chinese peasants to the Second World War in its magnitude. At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death in China over these four years; the worldwide death toll of the Second World War was 55 million.

Will the truth set us free?

Between 1958 and 1962, a war raged between the peasants and the state; it was a period when a third of all homes in China were destroyed to produce fertiliser and when the nation descended into famine and starvation, Mr Dikötter said.

His book, Mao's Great Famine; The Story of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, reveals that while this is a part of history that has been "quite forgotten" in the official memory of the People's Republic of China, there was a "staggering degree of violence" that was, remarkably, carefully catalogued in Public Security Bureau reports, which featured among the provincial archives he studied. In them, he found that the members of the rural farming communities were seen by the Party merely as "digits", or a faceless workforce. For those who committed any acts of disobedience, however minor, the punishments were huge.

What is truly remarkable about this revelation is that most anti-Communists who had studied Chinese history believed that the real bloodletting occurred during the so-called "Cultural Revolution" which was just another name for a gigantic purge of people with suspect ideology and dedication to Mao's idea of a socialist state. Some estimates ranged as high as 20 million dead during that period, although more recent estimates placed the number of those executed, tortured, or starved to death around 1 million.

Note also that it was during a similar period of collectivization that saw the horrendous body count in Stalin's Russia. Millions of Kulaks died resisting the seizure of their property either through state sponsored murder or deliberate starvation.

What is it about Communism that leaves so many dead in its wake? Anything can be justified - including mass murder - to achieve the goals of the state. Mao's record, as bad as it is, can be placed in the context of all communist states who murder their own citizens for the good of all.




TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: genocide; gloriesofcommunism; mao; maotsetung; maotzetung; maozedong; massmurder
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1 posted on 09/17/2010 10:15:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s why Mao is one of the favorite “philosophers” in some parts of the White House circle.


2 posted on 09/17/2010 10:17:17 AM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: SeekAndFind

I imagine that our children are being taught that that title goes to President Bush.


3 posted on 09/17/2010 10:19:27 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Pheadrus

True, very true...................


6 posted on 09/17/2010 10:20:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pol Pot had a better average. Just fewer at-bats.


7 posted on 09/17/2010 10:20:51 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: Pheadrus

Ya beat me to it.


8 posted on 09/17/2010 10:21:26 AM PDT by Roccus (......and then there were none.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All were socialists, Muslims and or animal rights nuts.


9 posted on 09/17/2010 10:22:31 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Pheadrus

That was my thought, just no numbers to prove it.

Lets see, book in 1964 DDT ban about 73 or 74 almost forty years of rampant mosquito born disease mostly in third world countries. Hmmmmmmm.


10 posted on 09/17/2010 10:23:47 AM PDT by wita
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To: SeekAndFind

Stalin might have him beat.
I’ve heard numbers as high as 60 million.

Sixty is probably too high, but 40-50 is a good guess.


11 posted on 09/17/2010 10:24:18 AM PDT by djf (It is ISLAM or "We, the People..." Take your pick. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!)
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To: Pheadrus

Satan, a murderer from the start ... but too many do not believe this evil is real.


12 posted on 09/17/2010 10:24:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Morg, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: highlander_UW; All
"Who holds the title of 'Greatest Mass Murderer in History?' (The winner is ....)"

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13 posted on 09/17/2010 10:25:23 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SeekAndFind
It's not Mao.

It's Rachel Carson.

14 posted on 09/17/2010 10:25:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: Blue Jays
Chairman Mao was not a nice man.
15 posted on 09/17/2010 10:26:15 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: SeekAndFind

Communism = liberals in a hurry.


16 posted on 09/17/2010 10:26:45 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: SeekAndFind

Margaret Sanger.


17 posted on 09/17/2010 10:27:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (2010: A "show 'em the rope and point at the branch" election.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Democide which death by government is right here..
All the statistics are here.. and probably pretty accurate..

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/


18 posted on 09/17/2010 10:28:59 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Jim Noble; Pheadrus

Rachel Carson? Huh?


19 posted on 09/17/2010 10:29:41 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Pheadrus
Rachel Carson

Undoubtedly !!!

20 posted on 09/17/2010 10:30:58 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: hosepipe

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM


21 posted on 09/17/2010 10:32:10 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Pheadrus

Greatest mass murderer in history....”Rachel Carson”.....

I disagree, murder requires intent, and she did not intend for tens of millions of people to die because of her screed against DDT. The fact is, she knew little of science, or anything else, for that matter. I thing she was used by the nascent left wing environmental movement to gain traction with the general public by creating an monster they could tie to “evil” corporations, the third world be damned.
I’m not saying tens of millions of people didn’t die as a result of the ban on DDT, they did, but I think she was more of a dupe in the scheme of things. That’s my opinion anyway.


22 posted on 09/17/2010 10:32:51 AM PDT by Old North State (Don't blame me, I voted for Pedro)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have to believe Stalin is right up there. I’ve heard the 50 million figure...

Mike


23 posted on 09/17/2010 10:33:11 AM PDT by MichaelP (Democrats are the party of Special Re-education)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mao’s name has long been in the Guinness Book of World Records as the world’s greatest killer. Back when I was a kid, the number was listed as 25 million. I guess that we just need to revise the number upward.


24 posted on 09/17/2010 10:34:33 AM PDT by Rybashka
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To: pogo101

That was COLD ... but accurate ...


26 posted on 09/17/2010 10:36:05 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: SeekAndFind

Mao Zedong, founder of the People’s Republic of China

and one of Anita Dunn’s heros.

His picture can also be found on zero’s Christmas tree!


27 posted on 09/17/2010 10:37:33 AM PDT by RedMDer
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought it was the Mongol warrior the Great Kahn


28 posted on 09/17/2010 10:39:53 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: Jim Noble

Pardon my ignorance, but how did Rachel Carson kill more than Mao?


29 posted on 09/17/2010 10:39:56 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: KosmicKitty

US Supreme Court; Roe V Wade. 50,000,000 and counting.


30 posted on 09/17/2010 10:40:02 AM PDT by Broker (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
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To: Maceman

“Communism = liberals in a hurry.”

Also Communism = liberals without constraints.”


31 posted on 09/17/2010 10:40:34 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: SeekAndFind

Gotta disagree. Mao just had more warm bodies available to kill. When it comes to mass murder, Pol Pot killed more of his own people than anyone in history by a wide margin.


32 posted on 09/17/2010 10:40:40 AM PDT by Melas
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To: djf

Solzhenitsyn claims Stalin killed over 100 million, the record keeping just wasn’t any good........


33 posted on 09/17/2010 10:42:26 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: pogo101

Higher on base percentage.


34 posted on 09/17/2010 10:44:14 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Rybashka

Adjust for inflation.


35 posted on 09/17/2010 10:45:32 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Rybashka

After a while it almost doesn’t matter how many. Members of my extended family have survived Japanese occupation, the 1949 “Liberation,” the Great Leap Forward, and the Cultural Revolution. During the Great Leap, they often saw the dead lying on the road and “eating” meant a meal of watery rice broth with a piece of bark and insects. Their big “treat” were rats captured chewing on a corpse.


36 posted on 09/17/2010 10:45:57 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: Pheadrus
Rachel Carson

Undoubtedly !!!

37 posted on 09/17/2010 10:46:28 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: SMARTY

Chinnghis Quan? Not even close. Although he and his son and grandsons were the great “clean up hitters” of their time.


38 posted on 09/17/2010 10:47:06 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Pheadrus

I agree- Rachel Carson. If you are going to attribute “policy” deaths to Mao, you should know that there are 3-5 million malaria deaths each year and the DDT ban has been in affect for enough decades to make Rachel Carson the responsible for more deaths than Mao.


39 posted on 09/17/2010 10:48:51 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: Pheadrus

Very interesting! Thank you.


40 posted on 09/17/2010 10:49:27 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: SeekAndFind

...and yet the MSM is decrying O’Donnell while standing up for a self-proclaimed marxist.


41 posted on 09/17/2010 10:55:49 AM PDT by MattinNJ (NJ's new slogan. Garrett and Christie. Perfect together.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Allegra

Somebody whose middle name is Wayne....that’s a given.


42 posted on 09/17/2010 10:56:34 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Lakeshark

Also, for a good many of them, he didn’t even need a bullet.

Soviet troops just moved in and stole/burnt/destroyed crops and moved on.

Tens of millions just starved. You don’t even have to go to a hospital to starve.


43 posted on 09/17/2010 10:59:32 AM PDT by djf (It is ISLAM or "We, the People..." Take your pick. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!)
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To: ErnBatavia

Mao Wayne Tse Tung

Pol Wayne Pot

Josef Wayne Stalin

Adolf Wayne Hitler

Idi Amin Wayne Data

Saddam Wayne Hussein


44 posted on 09/17/2010 11:03:38 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jimmygrace
...you should know that there are 3-5 million malaria deaths each year and the DDT ban has been in affect for enough decades to make Rachel Carson the responsible for more deaths...

But really, what is the value of millions of human lives when compared to the feeling of moral superiority that one experiences when advocating left-wing pseudoscience?

45 posted on 09/17/2010 11:07:44 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: musicman

bttt


46 posted on 09/17/2010 11:08:46 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I was, and still am, under the impression that the correct spelling of his name was (is): M-o-u-s-e-y D-u-n-g.

Mousey Dung.

47 posted on 09/17/2010 11:12:26 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm really not Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Charles Darwin.

Sanger and Hitler’s inspiration. Just google the full name of the ‘origin of species’


48 posted on 09/17/2010 11:16:05 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: PzLdr

“more recent estimates placed the number of those executed, tortured, or starved to death around 1 million.”

Typical revision of history!


49 posted on 09/17/2010 11:30:32 AM PDT by Docbarleypop (Shovelbum mudslinger)
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To: barmag25
The word didn't mean then what you are incorrectly assuming it means now. Nothing advocating mass murder in Darwin's origin of species.

Hitler was a creationist. He didn't think Germans and Jews were descended from apes, but Germans were the superior descendants of apes - he called for the German people to avenge the “blood upon the Cross”.

50 posted on 09/17/2010 11:34:34 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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