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Semi-Automatic Versions of Vintage Machine Guns The Next Best Thing
FirearmsTruth.com ^ | 18 September, 2009 | NA

Posted on 09/18/2010 6:46:36 AM PDT by marktwain

Michigan --(Ammoland.com)- Certain collectible guns bring out that “wow” factor.

This is especially true of the vintage firearms from the Soviet Union that helped turn back the Nazi invaders and were carried by soldiers of the Red Army during the so-called Great Patriotic War.

Of course actually trying to obtain a live firing version of the infamous PPSh-41 submachine gun, or DP-28 light machinegun can be no small challenge.

Non-firing versions of both guns were once fairly common, but have since dried up. However, some of those old parts kits have been used to good effect by skilled gunsmiths such as Brennen Noble of Military Gun Supply, who has converted those into semi-automatic versions. The results are guns that are chambered for the original wartime ammunition yet are generally legal to own wherever semi-autos can be owned. These truly are the next best thing to have a wartime full-auto version, and Brennen took the time to answer a few questions.

FirearmsTruth: Semi-automatic version of famous machine guns seems to be growing in popularity. Why do you believe this to be the case? Brennen Noble: The famous machine guns from wars past have always been a fascination for many people. Movies and games have been getting better at accurately portraying old military weapons and have helped close the generation gap, getting younger people into the older guns as well. I think as more people begin to see an attainable version of these desirable military relics, people begin to realize what it possible and they will only continue to grow in popularity and demand.

FirearmsTruth: What are the more popular semi-automatic conversions? Brennen Noble: The PPSH-41 and PPS-43 have been very popular for us. The pricing is mid-range as far as semi-auto recreations are concerned, and the pricing and availability of surplus 7.62×25 has always been a huge selling point for these guns. The same goes for our DP-28, which runs like a Rolex and eats inexpensive ammunition. The Suomi carbines by TG and the “Colefire” Sterling recreations by Wise Lite Arms have also seen a lot of popularity. Bren guns and RPDs are pretty popular for the DIY guys also.

FirearmsTruth: Are there any guns that you’d like to bring out in the future? Brennen Noble: Oh boy! What wouldn’t we like to bring out? We do not have any current active plans for other semi-automatic conversions at this time. There is a reason that it has taken a long time for the semi-autos to catch on despite the several that have come out and failed over the years. The amount of trial and error, blood, sweat, and tears required to bring these back to life in semi-automatic form that can function reliably is astounding. Not only that, but you have to develop a solution that is practical on the production level.

Keeping the correct “look” is also a hurdle, but is absolutely paramount because that’s the whole idea behind them. People love these guns because they are recognizable and well known. People see these guns in movies and video games and it’s the cool factor of “Oh WOW, that’s a Pa-pa-shaw like in Enemy at the Gates!” or “HOLY COW I saw one of these in Defiance!” It’s a conversation piece and attention getter at the gun range. People enjoy that.

FirearmsTruth: Are you seeing more newly made semi-automatic firearms, or are many of these built on original “fully automatic” parts kits? Brennen Noble: One of the things that makes any semi-auto reproduction a good candidate for large-scale production is that the parts kits are out there and you can use a lot of the original parts like the buttstocks, sights, etc. A 100 percent reproduction would cost more to produce and have less value to the market because it loses its authenticity. Some of the details on these guns would be very hard to reproduce, like the specific feel and color of the wood used in the real thing. You can also see original proof marks and other things that add character and really remind you that you’re holding a piece of history in your hands.

FirearmsTruth: Given the limited number of parts kits do you believe these have a limited number for collectors? Brennen Noble: Absolutely. There are already kits out there that have gone dry. Our KP-44 pistol is a good example of that. The kits are gone and once we sell out, we’re not going to have any more. I’ve watched RPK and PKM kits pretty much vanish, Galil kits are gone. It does happen and these are not unlimited.

FirearmsTruth: While the semi-automatic versions of some of the firearms, such as the DP-28 or PPSh- 41, are a great alternative to the full-automatic versions, are you seeing that new restrictions are making even these difficult for some to own – such as California residents? Brennen Noble: Absolutely. The biggest obstacle we come across is magazine capacity. States that allow pre-ban high capacity magazines are appreciated in these instances, but that’s a pretty silly law to begin with. Another problem you run into is obscure requirements like weight restrictions on pistols, or overall length restrictions on rifles which means we have to weld folding stocks open before shipping a gun out, etc. It’s unfortunate that everyone can’t enjoy these firearms, but we do try to accommodate customers in those States and make necessary modifications so they can own one if possible.

FirearmsTruth: Do you think there will be greater restrictions on some semi-automatic firearms? And while these are a gray area in regards to assault weapons, would you agree that the truth is that these are often impractical compared to other commercially available firearms at least to the badguys out there? Brennen Noble: You don’t usually see restrictions reducing; they generally only tend to get tighter. Many semi-auto reproductions do not meet any of the criteria of the “assault weapon” definition except for the magazine capacity. Clunky WWII guns are far from concealable. Inversely, they are also not well suited for self-defense.

Not to go off-topic, but let’s face it, instead of controlling guns we should be controlling CRIME and preventing the conditions that breed criminal activity. Gun crime might go down if guns are banned, but violent crime will skyrocket. If not a gun, a knife. If not a knife, a hammer.

Thank you to Brennen Noble for talking with us.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: banglist; machinegun; ppsh; semiauto
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There are a couple of nice pictures at the site.
1 posted on 09/18/2010 6:46:40 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

A replica StG 44 would be awesome!


2 posted on 09/18/2010 7:11:49 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Support and vote for Sean Bielat (MA-4)! MA-4 is Barney Frank's district.)
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To: marktwain

3 posted on 09/18/2010 7:14:13 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: GOPsterinMA
If you're willing to pay $4200 you can find one HERE.

They're out of stock but if you keep checking from time to time..

They look nice but personally, I think they're way overpriced.

4 posted on 09/18/2010 7:33:46 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: Jaxter

Thank you for the link. The price is high, especially when you can get an AK weapon for a fraction of that price. Plus ammo for it must be pricy.

And then, I’m sure it wouldn’t be legal in MA anyway.

It really is a nice looking piece of history though. When I move...


5 posted on 09/18/2010 7:40:47 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Support and vote for Sean Bielat (MA-4)! MA-4 is Barney Frank's district.)
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To: Jaxter

So that is why 7.92 Kurtz ammo is getting more available.


6 posted on 09/18/2010 7:42:43 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marktwain

Having just come back from a tour of Russia, the bit about the “so-called Great Patriotic War” rubs me the wrong way. Twenty-six million Russians died fighting the Germans and photos from that era show a country as ravaged as Germany was after the war. I think their sacrifices earned them the right to call the war whatever they want.


7 posted on 09/18/2010 7:52:20 AM PDT by spaced
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To: umgud

I almost bought a PPSH-41 but the thing is just to darn heavy to be truly useful.

I would love a small carbine in 7,26x25


8 posted on 09/18/2010 8:02:11 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: umgud

http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/

prices have gone up. the one I looked at was $650


9 posted on 09/18/2010 8:04:35 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: marktwain

Thanks for posting this. Great stuff.

It’s not exactly a “machine gun” - VERY far from it! - but are there any other Mosin Nagant fans out there? There’s certainly quite a resurgence of interest in these magnificently indestructible Russian rifles.

Someone’s now putting out an AK clone chambered in the venerable 7.62x54R. If well done, that could be well worth owning. :)


10 posted on 09/18/2010 8:13:12 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

Buy one! They are a hoot!

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/romanian-psl-54c-sniper-rifle-7-62x54r-with-4x-scope-/products_id/2392


11 posted on 09/18/2010 8:29:28 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: mylife

Hmmmm- I may have to trade in my Mosin-Nagant and a few bucks for that.....:)


12 posted on 09/18/2010 9:35:32 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Sarajevo

You will love it.


13 posted on 09/18/2010 9:38:00 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Sarajevo

AIM had them for $525(Dealers price) http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CPSL


14 posted on 09/18/2010 9:39:25 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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Kalinka has all the scope accessories http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/accessories/for-posp.html


15 posted on 09/18/2010 9:41:41 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: mylife

Thanx! That’s a good price!


16 posted on 09/18/2010 9:45:04 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Sarajevo

To bad they are sold out.

A coworker told me he saw one 2 weeks back for $575 locally.

You want that eyepiece. It gives perfect eye relief.


17 posted on 09/18/2010 9:47:33 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: spaced
Not just patriotic, it was Sacred Watch the vid, very stirring...
18 posted on 09/18/2010 10:47:45 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: ASOC
If you like to see arty in action - see this. Very 122mm.
19 posted on 09/18/2010 10:51:33 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: IncPen; Nailbiter

ping


20 posted on 09/18/2010 1:00:34 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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