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Montana GOP policy: Make homosexuality illegal
Associated Press ^ | 09/18/2010 | MATT VOLZ,

Posted on 09/18/2010 12:10:48 PM PDT by presidio9

At a time when gays have been gaining victories across the country, the Republican Party in Montana still wants to make homosexuality illegal.

The party adopted an official platform in June that keeps a long-held position in support of making homosexual acts illegal, a policy adopted after the Montana Supreme Court struck down such laws in 1997.

The fact that it's still the official party policy more than 12 years later, despite a tidal shift in public attitudes since then and the party's own pledge of support for individual freedoms, has exasperated some GOP members.

"I looked at that and said, 'You've got to be kidding me,'" state Sen. John Brueggeman, R-Polson, said last week. "Should it get taken out? Absolutely. Does anybody think we should be arresting homosexual people? If you take that stand, you really probably shouldn't be in the Republican Party."

Gay rights have been rapidly advancing nationwide since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Texas' sodomy law in 2003's Lawrence v. Texas decision. Gay marriage is now allowed in five states and Washington, D.C., a federal court recently ruled the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy unconstitutional, and even a conservative tea party group in Montana ousted its president over an anti-gay exchange in Facebook.

But going against the grain is the Montana GOP statement, which falls under the "Crime" section of the GOP platform. It states: "We support the clear will of the people of Montana expressed by legislation to keep homosexual acts illegal."

Montana GOP executive director Bowen Greenwood said that has been the position of the party since the state Supreme Court struck down state laws criminalizing homosexuality in

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To: TheBigIf

Wow, nice impression of Alan Colmes.

21 posted on 09/18/2010 12:37:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: rosettasister

Geez you must really have issues if you have to ask that question.

What are you afraid that you can not do whatever you are into in private?

This has to do with the public arena. It is not a law putting a camera ain your bedroom.

Do you need to announce that you want oral and anal?


22 posted on 09/18/2010 12:37:04 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Ted Grant

So oral and anal sex are only okay for heterosexuals?

Do you know how absurd this sounds?

23 posted on 09/18/2010 12:38:30 PM PDT by rosettasister
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To: rosettasister

The law is not claiming at all to go into bedrooms with cameras or something. It is stating how the PUBLIC deals with these issues whe made PUBLIC.

If someone needs to make their sexuality known to all then the law will put them in their place.

24 posted on 09/18/2010 12:38:55 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf

“Do you need to announce that you want oral and anal?”

That was brilliant!

25 posted on 09/18/2010 12:40:07 PM PDT by rosettasister
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To: presidio9; ScoopAmma; Irisshlass; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; ...


Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

Divine Law

The rejection of homosexual behavior that is found in the Old Testament is well known. In Genesis 19, two angels in disguise visit the city of Sodom and are offered hospitality and shelter by Lot. During the night, the men of Sodom demand that Lot hand over his guests for homosexual intercourse. Lot refuses, and the angels blind the men of Sodom. Lot and his household escape, and the town is destroyed by fire “because the outcry against its people has become great before the Lord” (Gen. 19:13).

Throughout history, Jewish and Christian scholars have recognized that one of the chief sins involved in God’s destruction of Sodom was its people’s homosexual behavior. But today, certain homosexual activists promote the idea that the sin of Sodom was merely a lack of hospitality. Although inhospitality is a sin, it is clearly the homosexual behavior of the Sodomites that is singled out for special criticism in the account of their city’s destruction. We must look to Scripture’s own interpretation of the sin of Sodom.

Jude 7 records that Sodom and Gomorrah “acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust.” Ezekiel says that Sodom committed “abominable things” (Ezek. 16:50), which could refer to homosexual and heterosexual acts of sin. Lot even offered his two virgin daughters in place of his guests, but the men of Sodom rejected the offer, preferring homosexual sex over heterosexual sex (Gen. 19:8–9). Ezekiel does allude to a lack of hospitality in saying that Sodom “did not aid the poor and needy” (Ezek. 16:49). So homosexual acts and a lack of hospitality both contributed to the destruction of Sodom, with the former being the far greater sin, the “abominable thing” that set off God’s wrath.

But the Sodom incident is not the only time the Old Testament deals with homosexuality. An explicit condemnation is found in the book of Leviticus: “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. . . . If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them” (Lev. 18:22, 20:13).

Reinterpreting Scripture

To discount this, some homosexual activists have argued that moral imperatives from the Old Testament can be dismissed since there were certain ceremonial requirements at the time—such as not eating pork, or circumcising male babies—that are no longer binding.

While the Old Testament’s ceremonial requirements are no longer binding, its moral requirements are. God may issue different ceremonies for use in different times and cultures, but his moral requirements are eternal and are binding on all cultures.

Confirming this fact is the New Testament’s forceful rejection of homosexual behavior as well. In Romans 1, Paul attributes the homosexual desires of some to a refusal to acknowledge and worship God. He says, “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct. . . . Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them” (Rom. 1:26–28, 32).

Elsewhere Paul again warns that homosexual behavior is one of the sins that will deprive one of heaven: “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor. 6:9–10, NIV).

All of Scripture teaches the unacceptability of homosexual behavior. But the rejection of this behavior is not an arbitrary prohibition. It, like other moral imperatives, is rooted in natural law—the design that God has built into human nature.

Natural Law

People have a basic, ethical intuition that certain behaviors are wrong because they are unnatural. We perceive intuitively that the natural sex partner of a human is another human, not an animal.

The same reasoning applies to the case of homosexual behavior. The natural sex partner for a man is a woman, and the natural sex partner for a woman is a man. Thus, people have the corresponding intuition concerning homosexuality that they do about bestiality—that it is wrong because it is unnatural.

Natural law reasoning is the basis for almost all standard moral intuitions. For example, it is the dignity and value that each human being naturally possesses that makes the needless destruction of human life or infliction of physical and emotional pain immoral. This gives rise to a host of specific moral principles, such as the unacceptability of murder, kidnapping, mutilation, physical and emotional abuse, and so forth.

“I Was Born This Way”

Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.

But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.

Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.

Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them.

For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable “lifestyle” any more than homosexuality is.

The Ten Percent Argument

Homosexual activists often justify homosexuality by claiming that ten percent of the population is homosexual, meaning that it is a common and thus acceptable behavior.

But not all common behaviors are acceptable, and even if ten percent of the population were born homosexual, this would prove nothing. One hundred percent of the population is born with original sin and the desires flowing from it. If those desires manifest themselves in a homosexual fashion in ten percent of the population, all that does is give us information about the demographics of original sin.

But the fact is that the ten percent figure is false. It stems from the 1948 report by Alfred Kinsey, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male. The study was profoundly flawed, as later psychologists studying sexual behavior have agreed. Kinsey’s subjects were drawn heavily from convicted criminals; 1,400 of his 5,300 final subjects (twenty-six percent) were convicted sex offenders—a group that by definition is not representative of normal sexual practices.

Furthermore, the ten percent figure includes people who are not exclusively homosexual but who only engaged in some homosexual behavior for a period of time and then stopped—people who had gone through a fully or partially homosexual “phase” but who were not long-term homosexuals. (For a critique of Kinsey’s research methods, see Kinsey, Sex, and Fraud, by Dr. Judith Reisman and Edward Eichel [Lafayette, Louisiana: Lochinvar & Huntington House, 1990].)

Recent and more scientifically accurate studies have shown that only around one to two percent of the population is homosexual.

“You’re Just a Homophobe”

Those opposed to homosexual behavior are often charged with “homophobia”—that they hold the position they do because they are “afraid” of homosexuals. Sometimes the charge is even made that these same people are perhaps homosexuals themselves and are overcompensating to hide this fact, even from themselves, by condemning other homosexuals.

Both of these arguments attempt to stop rational discussion of an issue by shifting the focus to one of the participants. In doing so, they dismiss another person’s arguments based on some real or supposed attribute of the person. In this case, the supposed attribute is a fear of homosexuals.

Like similar attempts to avoid rational discussion of an issue, the homophobia argument completely misses the point. Even if a person were afraid of homosexuals, that would not diminish his arguments against their behavior. The fact that a person is afraid of handguns would not nullify arguments against handguns, nor would the fact that a person might be afraid of handgun control diminish arguments against handgun control.

Furthermore, the homophobia charge rings false. The vast majority of those who oppose homosexual behavior are in no way “afraid” of homosexuals. A disagreement is not the same as a fear. One can disagree with something without fearing it, and the attempt to shut down rational discussion by crying “homophobe!” falls flat. It is an attempt to divert attention from the arguments against one’s position by focusing attention on the one who made the arguments, while trying to claim the moral high ground against him.

The Call to Chastity

The modern arguments in favor of homosexuality have thus been insufficient to overcome the evidence that homosexual behavior is against divine and natural law, as the Bible and the Church, as well as the wider circle of Jewish and Christian (not to mention Muslim) writers, have always held.

The Catholic Church thus teaches: “Basing itself on sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved” (Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357).

However, the Church also acknowledges that “[homosexuality’s] psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. . . . The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s cross the difficulties that they may encounter from their condition.

“Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection” (CCC 2357– 2359).

Paul comfortingly reminds us, “No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it” (1 Cor. 10:13).

Homosexuals who want to live chastely can contact Courage, a national, Church-approved support group for help in deliverance from the homosexual lifestyle.

Church of St. John the Baptist
210 W. 31st St., New York, NY 10001

(212) 268–1010

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presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
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26 posted on 09/18/2010 12:40:52 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: TheBigIf

As far as I know, functionally undisguised carnal knowledge is still illegal.

27 posted on 09/18/2010 12:41:41 PM PDT by rosettasister
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To: rosettasister
Give me a break. Homo's want special rights above what NORMAL individuals are guaranteed by the Constitution. Their choice in lifestyle and especially the sex they participate in is certifiably shown to be dangerous to their health (and our pocketbooks). Homosexual's are not "born that way". They make a choice. They cannot re-produce naturally, they have to recruit.

There are laws already on the books to deal with crimes against an individual. But NOOOOooooooooo...we have to have "hate crimes" that somehow elevate homosexuals rights above my own as a heterosexual (i.e. A NORMAL human being).

Keep your adverse lifestyle behind closed doors where it belongs. No one in the REAL/NORMAL world wants to know about what the deviants do to get off...

28 posted on 09/18/2010 12:42:19 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: rosettasister

This site does not support the homosexual agenda.

29 posted on 09/18/2010 12:43:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TheBigIf

“This has to do with the public arena.”

So therefore, in Montana it would be illegal for two men to engage in sex in a public street, but it would be perfectly legal for a man and a woman to engage in sex in a public street?

30 posted on 09/18/2010 12:43:07 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: cripplecreek

What are you talking about?

You think that Alan Colmes stands up for the people’s right to make sodomy laws?

Are you for real?

Colmes is right there with you in thinking that sodomy was a special secret right that was written into the Constitution and only readable by special elite liberal justices.

31 posted on 09/18/2010 12:44:32 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: trumandogz

Public in-decency is a two way street. Two heterosexuals going at it in public should be thrown in the clink to cool off.

32 posted on 09/18/2010 12:46:02 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: cripplecreek
I prefer to stay the hell out of other people’s bedrooms.

I don't think anyone contemplates going into anyone's bedroom. There shouldn't be any prosecution at all except where there is an unwilling witness like a neighbor or one of the perpetrators confesses. In fact, if only to protect the cowboys (there are a lot of them in Montana), I would prefer a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy for prosecution purposes.

33 posted on 09/18/2010 12:46:29 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: rosettasister

I agree with you. All the lefty apparatus and their free press minions are scouring for stuff like this. When they find red meat like this for lefty libtards they consume it, spew it, repeat it and blow it out of proportion. GOP should fund a project to find these things and erase them.

34 posted on 09/18/2010 12:46:42 PM PDT by major-pelham
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To: presidio9
republicans believe in less govt....less regulation....making a sexual lifestyle a matter for public rule is wrong, if it involves consenting adults....key word....adults....

I think homosexuality is an abnormality....but do I have the right to peer into someones bedroom?

35 posted on 09/18/2010 12:47:29 PM PDT by cherry
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To: trumandogz

You do believe in representative government right? If the people want to restrict or outlaw perverted behavior in their communities then they should have the right? no?

There is nothing un-Constitutional about outlawing homosexuality at all.

36 posted on 09/18/2010 12:47:34 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: presidio9

Since they have two ‘RAT senators, they may be wanting to change it to where there is only one thing that comes from Montana. Steers.

37 posted on 09/18/2010 12:47:55 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (This isn't going to be "another 1994"! It's another 1776!)
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To: major-pelham
GOP should fund a project to find these things and erase them.

I hope you forgot your sarc tag..

38 posted on 09/18/2010 12:49:01 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: presidio9

Read my tagline.

39 posted on 09/18/2010 12:49:29 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: cherry

The left-wing in no way shape or form keep their sexual morality to themselves and target children daily with their perversion.

What planet have you been hiding out on?

Every single day we see how the left-wing uses the government to try and impose perversion on society and our children.

40 posted on 09/18/2010 12:49:59 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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