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1 posted on 09/18/2010 12:10:51 PM PDT by presidio9
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Sodomites and their behavior are an immensely destructive force. Lawrence and the Montana decision were clear usurpations by the liberals in the legal profession.

2 posted on 09/18/2010 12:14:20 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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Have to start somewhere cleaning this place up,pushing the Queers out of sight is a great start.

3 posted on 09/18/2010 12:17:14 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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What do you expect from a state represented by two (2) Dem U.S. Senators :)

4 posted on 09/18/2010 12:17:33 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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I find this hard to believe, but if it is true, then they need to change their platform.

It’s easy for me to see this and just shake my head.

But imagine if you’re gay, or if you’re gay in Montana.

This is EXACTLY how the GOP loses elections.

This is probaby intended to push buttons, but I hope Republicans in Montana will distance themselves.

Believe me, I know better than most that many gays and lesbians are extremely self-centered and are incapable of seeing the big picture.

But I really would like to see Pelosi get fired come November.

5 posted on 09/18/2010 12:18:54 PM PDT by rosettasister
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This is quite the textbook example of unbiased reporting here. Just a bang up job. I’d never discern what this writer personally favored, as it’s so very hidden away in this spectacularly balanced, even-handed, neutral, aloof, nonpartisan, unbiased, objective piece of writing.

6 posted on 09/18/2010 12:18:54 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts (he world. Gradually, as technology has advanced, man has put aside faith, books, or anything that r)
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Someone has to “take the first shot”. I would be honored to vote homo illegal.

7 posted on 09/18/2010 12:19:30 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a 2nd chance. Through your Son Jesus Christ, Amen.)
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Didn't Texas just get rid of their gay laws? Of course, they were set the courts IIRC, it was a privacy issue.

I think the UN proposed "consent" being age 12.

9 posted on 09/18/2010 12:23:44 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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The people have every right to make such a law. the Supreme Court was full of baloney in overturning sodomy laws.

Personsally I have no desire to see a movement to support making homosexual acts or beliefs illegal but the people do have a right to regulate how sexuality is dealt with in a public matter 100%.

The left-wing have continually pushed to force their perverted morality upon this nation. They do not respect the will of the people at all.

While I do not desire a movement that seeks to punish those by force of government for homosexual beliefs or acts, I have had enough of their facism against us by force of law and have no sympathy at all if they reap what they sow.

It is the left-wing progressives and their strong belief in homosexuality that have infringed upon the rights of millions of Americans who disagree with their perverted morality.

People are getting sick of their moral corruption and how they target our children.

There is no doubt that most of these corrupt perverts do deserve to put away.

12 posted on 09/18/2010 12:29:44 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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Actually, to put a fine point on it, it seems like the state GOP wants to make homosexual acts illegal, and not make homosexuality illegal.

14 posted on 09/18/2010 12:31:37 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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Not clear from the article: is this a matter of sodomy being illegal for gays only, or also illegal for heterosexuals?

15 posted on 09/18/2010 12:32:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interrogation..)
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Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

Divine Law

The rejection of homosexual behavior that is found in the Old Testament is well known. In Genesis 19, two angels in disguise visit the city of Sodom and are offered hospitality and shelter by Lot. During the night, the men of Sodom demand that Lot hand over his guests for homosexual intercourse. Lot refuses, and the angels blind the men of Sodom. Lot and his household escape, and the town is destroyed by fire “because the outcry against its people has become great before the Lord” (Gen. 19:13).

Throughout history, Jewish and Christian scholars have recognized that one of the chief sins involved in God’s destruction of Sodom was its people’s homosexual behavior. But today, certain homosexual activists promote the idea that the sin of Sodom was merely a lack of hospitality. Although inhospitality is a sin, it is clearly the homosexual behavior of the Sodomites that is singled out for special criticism in the account of their city’s destruction. We must look to Scripture’s own interpretation of the sin of Sodom.

Jude 7 records that Sodom and Gomorrah “acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust.” Ezekiel says that Sodom committed “abominable things” (Ezek. 16:50), which could refer to homosexual and heterosexual acts of sin. Lot even offered his two virgin daughters in place of his guests, but the men of Sodom rejected the offer, preferring homosexual sex over heterosexual sex (Gen. 19:8–9). Ezekiel does allude to a lack of hospitality in saying that Sodom “did not aid the poor and needy” (Ezek. 16:49). So homosexual acts and a lack of hospitality both contributed to the destruction of Sodom, with the former being the far greater sin, the “abominable thing” that set off God’s wrath.

But the Sodom incident is not the only time the Old Testament deals with homosexuality. An explicit condemnation is found in the book of Leviticus: “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. . . . If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them” (Lev. 18:22, 20:13).

Reinterpreting Scripture

To discount this, some homosexual activists have argued that moral imperatives from the Old Testament can be dismissed since there were certain ceremonial requirements at the time—such as not eating pork, or circumcising male babies—that are no longer binding.

While the Old Testament’s ceremonial requirements are no longer binding, its moral requirements are. God may issue different ceremonies for use in different times and cultures, but his moral requirements are eternal and are binding on all cultures.

Confirming this fact is the New Testament’s forceful rejection of homosexual behavior as well. In Romans 1, Paul attributes the homosexual desires of some to a refusal to acknowledge and worship God. He says, “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct. . . . Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them” (Rom. 1:26–28, 32).

Elsewhere Paul again warns that homosexual behavior is one of the sins that will deprive one of heaven: “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor. 6:9–10, NIV).

All of Scripture teaches the unacceptability of homosexual behavior. But the rejection of this behavior is not an arbitrary prohibition. It, like other moral imperatives, is rooted in natural law—the design that God has built into human nature.

Natural Law

People have a basic, ethical intuition that certain behaviors are wrong because they are unnatural. We perceive intuitively that the natural sex partner of a human is another human, not an animal.

The same reasoning applies to the case of homosexual behavior. The natural sex partner for a man is a woman, and the natural sex partner for a woman is a man. Thus, people have the corresponding intuition concerning homosexuality that they do about bestiality—that it is wrong because it is unnatural.

Natural law reasoning is the basis for almost all standard moral intuitions. For example, it is the dignity and value that each human being naturally possesses that makes the needless destruction of human life or infliction of physical and emotional pain immoral. This gives rise to a host of specific moral principles, such as the unacceptability of murder, kidnapping, mutilation, physical and emotional abuse, and so forth.

“I Was Born This Way”

Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.

But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.

Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.

Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them.

For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable “lifestyle” any more than homosexuality is.

The Ten Percent Argument

Homosexual activists often justify homosexuality by claiming that ten percent of the population is homosexual, meaning that it is a common and thus acceptable behavior.

But not all common behaviors are acceptable, and even if ten percent of the population were born homosexual, this would prove nothing. One hundred percent of the population is born with original sin and the desires flowing from it. If those desires manifest themselves in a homosexual fashion in ten percent of the population, all that does is give us information about the demographics of original sin.

But the fact is that the ten percent figure is false. It stems from the 1948 report by Alfred Kinsey, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male. The study was profoundly flawed, as later psychologists studying sexual behavior have agreed. Kinsey’s subjects were drawn heavily from convicted criminals; 1,400 of his 5,300 final subjects (twenty-six percent) were convicted sex offenders—a group that by definition is not representative of normal sexual practices.

Furthermore, the ten percent figure includes people who are not exclusively homosexual but who only engaged in some homosexual behavior for a period of time and then stopped—people who had gone through a fully or partially homosexual “phase” but who were not long-term homosexuals. (For a critique of Kinsey’s research methods, see Kinsey, Sex, and Fraud, by Dr. Judith Reisman and Edward Eichel [Lafayette, Louisiana: Lochinvar & Huntington House, 1990].)

Recent and more scientifically accurate studies have shown that only around one to two percent of the population is homosexual.

“You’re Just a Homophobe”

Those opposed to homosexual behavior are often charged with “homophobia”—that they hold the position they do because they are “afraid” of homosexuals. Sometimes the charge is even made that these same people are perhaps homosexuals themselves and are overcompensating to hide this fact, even from themselves, by condemning other homosexuals.

Both of these arguments attempt to stop rational discussion of an issue by shifting the focus to one of the participants. In doing so, they dismiss another person’s arguments based on some real or supposed attribute of the person. In this case, the supposed attribute is a fear of homosexuals.

Like similar attempts to avoid rational discussion of an issue, the homophobia argument completely misses the point. Even if a person were afraid of homosexuals, that would not diminish his arguments against their behavior. The fact that a person is afraid of handguns would not nullify arguments against handguns, nor would the fact that a person might be afraid of handgun control diminish arguments against handgun control.

Furthermore, the homophobia charge rings false. The vast majority of those who oppose homosexual behavior are in no way “afraid” of homosexuals. A disagreement is not the same as a fear. One can disagree with something without fearing it, and the attempt to shut down rational discussion by crying “homophobe!” falls flat. It is an attempt to divert attention from the arguments against one’s position by focusing attention on the one who made the arguments, while trying to claim the moral high ground against him.

The Call to Chastity

The modern arguments in favor of homosexuality have thus been insufficient to overcome the evidence that homosexual behavior is against divine and natural law, as the Bible and the Church, as well as the wider circle of Jewish and Christian (not to mention Muslim) writers, have always held.

The Catholic Church thus teaches: “Basing itself on sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved” (Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357).

However, the Church also acknowledges that “[homosexuality’s] psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. . . . The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s cross the difficulties that they may encounter from their condition.

“Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection” (CCC 2357– 2359).

Paul comfortingly reminds us, “No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it” (1 Cor. 10:13).

Homosexuals who want to live chastely can contact Courage, a national, Church-approved support group for help in deliverance from the homosexual lifestyle.

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26 posted on 09/18/2010 12:40:52 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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republicans believe in less govt....less regulation....making a sexual lifestyle a matter for public rule is wrong, if it involves consenting adults....key word....adults....

I think homosexuality is an abnormality....but do I have the right to peer into someones bedroom?

35 posted on 09/18/2010 12:47:29 PM PDT by cherry
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Since they have two ‘RAT senators, they may be wanting to change it to where there is only one thing that comes from Montana. Steers.

37 posted on 09/18/2010 12:47:55 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (This isn't going to be "another 1994"! It's another 1776!)
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Read my tagline.

39 posted on 09/18/2010 12:49:29 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Misleading headline from the Ass Press as usual.

This policy is not something new and has been on the GOP Montana platform for many years.

Since when do homos care about rules ( and that too a party plaform) anyway since they can always find some federal judge to overthrow the will of the people.

This is just Ass Press making up its own news to distract the deep unpopularity of Dems among the American people.

47 posted on 09/18/2010 12:54:09 PM PDT by GregH
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50 posted on 09/18/2010 12:55:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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I don't approve of homosexuality, but am willing to let the Lord decide the proper punishment for sin.

Even as recently as the 1960’s, the police would raid gay bars and arrest the patrons. Much as I dislike those kinds of places, the social mores they instill, and the public health consequences, I'm just enough of a libertarian to think our judicial system shouldn't be spending its time and taxpayer money arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning homosexuals.

Time is late, and there are more critical demands for limited time and resources.

64 posted on 09/18/2010 1:03:28 PM PDT by mojito
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so how ya going to feel about this subject when you come home to find some old queen trying to seduce your teen aged son?

81 posted on 09/18/2010 1:11:34 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Less gubmint is best gubmint.)
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A man and a man CANNOT produce a child. A woman and a woman CANNOT produce a child.

Therefore, it is an unnatural act, driven by nothing but evil lust.

It must be stopped.

111 posted on 09/18/2010 1:30:10 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a 2nd chance. Through your Son Jesus Christ, Amen.)
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There is a cure to the disease.

125 posted on 09/18/2010 1:46:20 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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