Posted on 09/18/2010 3:40:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
A Mail on Sunday investigation – which will alarm anyone concerned about animal cruelty – has revealed that schools, hospitals, pubs and famous sporting venues such as Ascot and Twickenham are controversially serving up meat slaughtered in accordance with strict Islamic law to unwitting members of the public.
All the beef, chicken and lamb sold to fans at Wembley has secretly been prepared in accordance with sharia law, while Cheltenham College, which boasts of its ‘strong Christian ethos’, is one of several top public schools which also serves halal chicken to pupils without informing them.
Even Britain’s biggest hotel and restaurant group Whitbread, which owns the Beefeater and Brewers Fayre chains, among many others, has admitted that more than three-quarters of its poultry is halal.
Animal welfare campaigners have long called for a ban on the traditional Islamic way of preparing meat – which involves killing animals by drawing a knife across their throats, without stunning them first – saying it is cruel and causes unnecessary pain.
Sharia law expressly forbids knocking the animal out with a bolt gun, as is usual in British slaughterhouses. Instead, it must be sentient when its throat is cut, and the blood allowed to drip from the carcass while a religious phrase in praise of Allah is recited.
The extent of halal meat consumption, even in areas of Britain with a very small Muslim population, was revealed as the Pope, on his first visit to Britain, expressed fears that the country was not doing enough to preserve traditional Christian values and customs.
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But it is animal rights groups which have been most vociferous in their opposition to halal slaughter...
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Dhimmitude alert.
The first is an animal sacrificed to an idol (Lucifer), and the blood is left inside for awhile. Not good.
The second, if I read it right, means no dairy has been anywhere near it. The Bible states over and over not to boil the calf in it's mothers milk, so the Jewish keep meat and dairy far apart. In fact, in a lot of Jewish kitchens there are two sinks and two stoves all with separate silverware. Plus, the blood of the animal has to be drained immediately.
I hope I got the Kosher explanation right. (I KNOW I got the halal explanation right.)
DITTO THAT!
Yep, next it will be their throats.
[Mr] T
Why I buy kosher as often as I can.
Instead, it must be sentient when its throat is cut, and the blood allowed to drip from the carcass while a religious phrase in praise of Allah is recited.”
Practice for when they cut the head off an infidel.
Used to work there (Singapore, not Chick-fil-a). Drove me nuts when people wanted to go to the food court or an American-ish (the food is different in most) fast food joint. All that great food, and you want McD? I don't eat that stuff in the US.
I did tend to hit the Ponderosa on Sunday for lunch for some reason.
They will not do anything about this except moan and complain and then continue to eat their halal chicken.
They are unarmed and docile and if they haven’t overthrown their socialist idiots now bending over and spreading their collective butt cheeks for islamicists, they will not do anything about this now. Between Maggie Thatcher and the rest of them, only Maggie has a pair of stones. And it’s unfair to burden her with protecting all of them forever.
Umm, “DO NOT EAT MEAT SACRIFICED TO IDOLS!”
Yeah, it can and does offend Christians.
Man was only given permission to kill and eat animals for food after the Flood. One of the conditions is that an animal (meaning bird or land mammal) must be Halakhically dead (ie, its limbs must stop moving) before it is butchered. Otherwise limbs are being cut from a Halakhically live animal, and eating such food is forbidden (it is a capital offense to eat food taken from an animal while that animal is still alive; it is forbidden from the Sages to eat such meat even after the animal has died, though this is not a capital offense).
All governments should see to it that all food animals are killed in accordance with universal Divine Law. As I understand it, the eater is held responsible only if he knowingly eats such meat. But it can't be a good thing to eat it even not knowing.
Most authorities (not all) hold that food slaughtered in accordance with the laws of Jewish ritual slaugther are permitted for non-Jews. I don't know the status of islamic ritual slaughter, but my instinct is that there are only two approved systems of ritual slaughter and "halal" isn't either one.
Not eating meat sacrificed to idols is not a Christian mandate. Peter was told to eat it three times in the dream, remember? And Paul talked about it. If you can’t eat it, don’t. If you can, go ahead, but don’t if there is someone around who is offended by it. Is that being politically correct? Just wondering.
This is incorrect. If it comes from a mammal, it MUST be from a mammal that's considered Kosher (cloven hooves and chews its cud.) If from a fish, it must be from a fish that's considered Kosher (having fins and scales.) I believe that there's a vegetarian gelatin, and that's OK.
Kosher red wine
Actually, both red and white wine CAN BE considered Kosher, as long as the entire production from planting to bottling is supervised and follows certain rules. All other forms of alcohol are considered Kosher.
Mark
It’s no different then forcing everyone to imbibe an alcoholic drink that they do not know is alcoholic.
Christians once were killed unless they ate meat sacrificed to idols. Islam knows this which is why they kept it secret.
The next thing one knows, they will be taking school kids on visits to mosques...
(oh, wait, that was here, already.)
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>>In Islamic slaughter, the process must be carried in a single swift sweep by a sane Muslim man or woman.
As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as that last, if they are devout Muslims.
Circling the drain...
Sorry, but I deffer to my sources .....
This really ain’t much different than kosher slaughtering of animals.
The major difference is the lack of rabbinic supervision of the slaughtering process.
So why the fuss?
(Of course, ‘kosher’ came long before ‘halal’. Just one more thing the d@$n Muslims copied/stole from the Jews.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_and_Jewish_dietary_laws_compared
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Slaughter
Dhabia is the method used to slaughter an animal as per Islamic tradition. Shechita is the ritual slaughter of mammals and birds according to Jewish law. Shechita requires that an animal be conscious and this is taken to mean the modern practice of electrical stunning before slaughter is forbidden. All Muslim authorities also forbid the use of electrical stunning.
Similarities
Both shechita and dhabia involve cutting across the neck of the animal with a non-serrated blade in one clean attempt in order to sever the main blood vessels.
Both require that the spinal cord be avoided during slaughter.
Both require draining the blood of the animal.
Any sane adult Jew who knows the proper technique may perform shechita. Similarly, Dhabiĥa, can be performed by any "sane adult Muslim… by following the rules prescribed by Shariah". Some Islamic authorities, though, state that dhabia can also be performed by Jews.
Differences
Dhabiha requires that God's (see Islamic Concept of God) name be pronounced before each slaughter. Some Muslims have accorded meat to be halal but not necessarily dhabiha; in other words, kosher meat is considered halal by some Muslims. This is according to the Hadith: "[I]t is narrated by Al Bukhari from Aisha the Prophet Muhammad's wife, that some people came to him and said, Oh God's Prophet, some people bring us meat and we do not know if they pronounced the name of God on it or not, and he said pronounce you the name of God and eat." Dhabiha meat by definition is meat that is slaughtered in the shariah manner and the name of God is said before the slaughter. In Shechita, a blessing to God is recited before beginning an uninterrupted period of slaughtering; as long as the shochet does not have a lengthy pause, interrupt, or otherwise lose concentration, this blessing covers all the animals slaughtered that period. This blessing follows the standard form for a blessing before most Jewish rituals ("Blesséd are you God ... who commanded us regarding [such-and-such]," in this case, Shechita). The general rule in Judaism is that for rituals which have an associated blessing, if one omitted the blessing, the ritual is still valid [see Maimonides Laws of Blessings 11:5]; as such, even if the shochet failed to recite the blessing before Shechita, the slaughter is still valid and the meat is kosher.
There are no restrictions on what organs or parts of the carcass may be eaten from a Halal-slaughtered and -dressed animal; as long as it was slaughtered and prepared according to the rules of dhabiha halal, the entire animal is fit for consumption by Muslims. However, Kashrut prohibits eating the chelev (certain types of fat) and gid hashoneh (the sciatic nerve), and thus the hindquarters of a kosher animal must undergo a process called nikkur (or, in Yiddish, porging) in order to be fit for consumption by Jews. As nikkur is an expensive, time-consuming process, it is rarely practiced outside of Israel, and the hindquarters of kosher-slaughtered animals in the rest of the world are generally sold on the non-kosher market.
Other comparisons
Similarities
After slaughter, both require that the animal be examined to ensure that it is fit for consumption. Dhabia guidelines generally say that the carcass should be inspected, while kashrut says that the animal's internal organs must be examined "to make certain the animal was not diseased".
Both sets of religious rules are subject to arguments among different authorities with regional and other related differences in permissible foodstuffs.
Strictly observant followers of either religion will not eat in restaurants not certified to follow its rules.
Meat slaughtered and sold as kosher must still be salted to draw out excess blood and impurities. A similar practice is followed in some Muslim households, but using vinegar. This is done to remove all surface blood from the meat, in accordance to Islam's prohibition against eating blood.
Differences
During the Jewish holiday Passover, there is an additional set of restrictions, requiring that no chametz (sour-dough starter or fermented products from the five species of grains) be eaten. However this requirement is specific to the holiday, and nothing to do with the laws of Kashrut. This has no parallel in the laws of dhabia halal, although it might be seen as a form of fasting.
Kashrut prohibits mixing meat and dairy products, as well as consuming or even profiting from them. Dhabia halal has no such rules.
In Judaism, the permissibility of food accompanies a vast corpus of secondary factors. For instance, vessels and implements used to cook food must also be kept separate for dairy products and meat products. If a vessel or implement used to cook dairy is then used to cook meat, in addition to the thus contaminated food becoming non-kosher (according to various situation-specific rules), the vessel or implement itself can no longer be used for the preparation or consumption of a kosher meal. Depending on the material properties of the item (for example, if it is made of metal or of clay, if it is one piece or has joints, etc...) it may be rendered permissible ("kashered") by certain procedures or it may be irretrievably contaminated. In general, the same policy extends to any apparatus used in the preparation of foods, such as ovens or a stovetop. Laws are somewhat more lenient for modern cooking apparatuses like microwaves or dishwashers, although this depends greatly on tradition (minhag) or individuals' own stringent practices (chumrot). As a result of these factors, many Conservative and Orthodox Jews cannot eat dishes prepared at any restaurant that is not specifically kosher, even if the actual dish ordered uses only kosher ingredients. This level of stringency does not have an analog in Dhabiha Halal.
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