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NYC stops hiring firefighters amid bias suit
AP via Google ^ | September 17, 2010 | COLLEEN LONG

Posted on 09/18/2010 8:48:03 PM PDT by Pan_Yan

NEW YORK — City officials on Friday said the Fire Department of New York won't hire any firefighters until a new entry exam is created to replace one a federal judge said discriminated against minorities, which is expected to take at least a year.

A federal judge had ordered the city to choose one of five temporary methods for selecting applicants who had already passed the rejected exam as a way of adding to the department in the meantime. But the city's law department said in a letter to the court that they wouldn't select one because they all involved some sort of race-based quota.

"The hiring quotas ... are bad public policy, and we believe not justified by the law," said Corporation Counsel head Michael Cardozo.

It was the latest setback in a lengthy legal dispute with the federal government over discrimination claims at the mostly white fire department. U.S. District Judge Nicholas Garaufis ruled in August that the exam was unfair to black and Hispanic applicants after the Justice Department sued on their behalf in 2007.

Garaufis said the city used the exams to appoint more than 5,300 entry-level firefighters between 1999 and 2007, cheating at least 1,000 minority firefighters of chances to join a force of roughly 11,000 at the nation's largest fire department. Of the 3,100 black candidates and 4,200 Hispanics who took the exam, the city appointed only 184 black and 461 Hispanic to the FDNY.

The judge said black and Hispanic applicants had disproportionately failed the written examinations and those who passed were placed disproportionately lower down the hiring lists than whites.

The city is appealing the decision.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: firemen; nyc; quotas

1 posted on 09/18/2010 8:48:06 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

oh, this could be so funny...


2 posted on 09/18/2010 8:49:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Pan_Yan
I weep for our country and the direction it is being forced to take.

When the Second American Civil War begins, I hope that this type of nonsense will be permanently eradicated.

3 posted on 09/18/2010 8:51:54 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Has anybody ever seen some of these allegedly discriminating questions?


4 posted on 09/18/2010 8:55:39 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Pan_Yan
notice that they NEVER, EVER, list the questions the minorities missed...
5 posted on 09/18/2010 8:57:06 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Pan_Yan

What the hell is wrong with people?!! How damn hard is it to study and pass a test? NO! I don’t want to hear sh** about your “culture”. 2+2=4. Period. The answers are either wrong or right, not in-between.


6 posted on 09/18/2010 9:00:16 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: skr
I haven't seen any of them. According to the rest of the article minorities aren't applying and when they do they score low. So the judge has basically ordered quotas.

Note that the City was sued by The Justice Department in 2007. The bureaucracy keeps running, no matter who's in charge.

7 posted on 09/18/2010 9:03:08 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

“The judge said black and Hispanic applicants had disproportionately failed the written examinations and those who passed were placed disproportionately lower down the hiring lists than whites.”

As for the candidates who failed the written examinations: Boo Freakin’ Hoo! As long as everyone is taking the same test, I don’t see anything here but candidates who failed to pass muster.

As for “those who passed...placed disproportionately lower down the hiring lists”: I’d like some more information. If it is simply a question of the overall scores or qualifications being lower than other candidates who happen to be white, Boo Freakin’ Hoo (redux).

If, however, there is some arbitrary factor in play, I’d like to know the details of it. Not because I necessarily suspect racism (I don’t). But because I wouldn’t want to see *any* candidate for *any* job disqualified by some arcane bureaucratic rule.


8 posted on 09/18/2010 9:03:52 PM PDT by DemforBush (You might think that, *I* could not possibly comment.)
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To: Pan_Yan
I have never understood how a test could discriminatory>
9 posted on 09/18/2010 9:04:28 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: Pan_Yan

So how exactly do you have an exam that discriminates against minorities. You only ask the ultra top secret questions that only whites would know? Now they’re supposed to dumb down the test in order to get less gualified people. Wow.


10 posted on 09/18/2010 9:06:40 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: PistolPaknMama
You only ask the ultra top secret questions that only whites would know?

Shhhhhhhhhhhh...loose lips sink ships.

12 posted on 09/18/2010 9:08:22 PM PDT by Roccus (......and then there were none.)
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To: skr

“Has anybody ever seen some of these allegedly discriminating questions?”

For years they’ve been rewriting the SAT to make it more “culturally sensitive” and “racially neutral.”

It hasn’t made a bit of difference in the gap between scores of racial groups.


13 posted on 09/18/2010 9:16:25 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Pan_Yan

New York city couldn’t afford to hire new ones if it wanted to.


14 posted on 09/18/2010 9:19:08 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Del Rapier
New York city couldn’t afford to hire new ones if it wanted to.

According to the article they are going to pay the firefighters $2 million a month in overtime to 'make up' for the discrimination.

15 posted on 09/18/2010 9:23:20 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: skr

1) Please print your name ________________

(Black Robe) “The question is obviously discriminatory since it’s asked in English.”

2) 2 + 2 =

(Black Robe) “This is obviously a racist question!”


16 posted on 09/18/2010 9:23:46 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Pan_Yan

Damn

Well that will add to their deficit quick won’t it.Less hands should also mean some kind of hazard pay.


17 posted on 09/18/2010 9:36:51 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Pan_Yan

What ever happened to pride? How sad


18 posted on 09/18/2010 9:49:17 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: skr
76. Biff and Buffy are hosting a soiree at their brownstone in Manhattan. Celebrity chef Wolfgang Puck is catering the event. All of the right people are there (know what we mean?)

During the preparations an candle made from organic beeswax, from bees fed only rosemary, catches the organic silk drapes from Nepal afire alighting the entire residence.

All entrances are blocked by the caterers dollies and helpers and the guests ascend to the 4th story roof which has no outside access from the ground and cannot be reached by ladder trucks.

What wine was served with the Oysters Rockafeller, exact year and vintage please.

19 posted on 09/18/2010 10:34:36 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Pan_Yan

How does an exam discriminate?


20 posted on 09/18/2010 10:54:44 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: mockingbyrd
How does an exam discriminate?

They discriminate between those who can read, write and count and those who can't. As you know, Western Civilization sprung fully formed from the forehead of some minor deity and the attempt to find those who can function in that civilization are just "discriminatory" acts of The Man.

21 posted on 09/18/2010 10:59:39 PM PDT by Stentor ( "All cults of personality begin as high drama and end as low comedy.")
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To: Pan_Yan

I see... the exam MUST be biased because blacks and hispanics fail it in a greater percentage than whites. Why do I suspect that if the exam was written in spanish ebonics, nothing would change?


22 posted on 09/18/2010 11:09:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: mockingbyrd
How does an exam discriminate?

What is the sound of one judge having a circle jerk with himself?

23 posted on 09/18/2010 11:10:57 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Stentor

The judge needs to learn to discriminate between “discrimination” (an essential survival skill, for any species); and “unfair discrimination”.


24 posted on 09/18/2010 11:11:17 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Eagles6

LOL! That one would probably knock just about every normal guy out of the running.


26 posted on 09/18/2010 11:39:14 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Pan_Yan

>>The bureaucracy keeps running, no matter who’s in charge.

That’s the real issue we face as a people. Changing elected politicians is easy enough. Downsizing the bureaucracy and removing its stranglehold over American life is quite another.


27 posted on 09/18/2010 11:45:13 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Pan_Yan
Too bad the minorities didn't prep for the exam like the non-minorities did:


28 posted on 09/19/2010 4:15:32 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Don’t let the white guilt and white haters hear you they will send reporters to your door.And you know the questions they will ask.


29 posted on 09/19/2010 5:27:23 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Pan_Yan

BUMP!


30 posted on 09/19/2010 7:13:46 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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