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Tesla gets ready to take over the former NUMMI auto plant in Fremont
The Silicon Valley Mercury News ^ | September 19, 2010 | Dana Hull

Posted on 09/19/2010 9:42:02 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

When the NUMMI auto plant in Fremont shut down in April, many pronounced it dead -- a triple victim of the recession, sliding auto sales and General Motors' bankruptcy.

But NUMMI is about to be reborn. Electric-carmaker Tesla Motors, which stunned the world when it announced plans to purchase the plant in May, officially takes ownership Oct. 1.

Already, many Tesla employees call the plant the "Tesla Factory." Forty people regularly work out of a Tesla office that's been set up on the parking lot -- taking breaks under three red patio umbrellas similar to those at the company's Palo Alto headquarters. The various "shops," from body framing to paint, are being designed, and detailed diagrams and timelines paper the walls of hallways and conference rooms.

"I've been through a plant closure before, and it's heartbreaking," said Gilbert Passin, Tesla's vice president of manufacturing, as he strode through the cavernous auto plant in safety glasses and a red hard hat emblazoned with Tesla's logo. "To be able to give a second life to this facility and some of the people here -- it's thrilling for us to be in this position."

Tesla will use the Fremont factory to manufacture its Model S sedan. The all-electric car will seat five adults and have a battery range of up to 300 miles. So far, nearly 3,000 people have put down deposits to reserve the car. Tesla has promised the world that deliveries of the Model S will begin in 2012, an ambitious timeline that some say Tesla will be hard-pressed to meet.

"We know what we want to do. It's just a matter of getting it done," said Passin, who does not appear to be daunted by the work ahead of him...

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: automobiles; automotive; california; electriccars; energy; tesla; toyota; unemployment
Isn't that like 8X the range of Government Motors' Chevy Volt?
1 posted on 09/19/2010 9:42:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

and who’s gonna take it over when Tesla’s finished?


2 posted on 09/19/2010 9:43:06 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Speaking of gubbermint motors, how many billions has the gubbermint poured into this boondoggle?
3 posted on 09/19/2010 9:45:14 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Outside of Government Grants, has this company made any money?


4 posted on 09/19/2010 9:46:46 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And how much does this cost us?


5 posted on 09/19/2010 9:48:47 AM PDT by SouthTexas ("Global Climate Disruption" = More bovine excrement)
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To: the invisib1e hand
The US government. This is financed with a federal $465 Department of Energy Loan Guarantee to Tesla.
6 posted on 09/19/2010 9:49:05 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this the same company Al Gore has money in?


7 posted on 09/19/2010 9:49:12 AM PDT by ColdOne (November and Beyond! Do not vote for Obama Republicans!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this outfit receiving federal funding, directly or indirectly?


8 posted on 09/19/2010 9:49:19 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SouthTexas
And how much does this cost us?

See #6

9 posted on 09/19/2010 9:49:36 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: the invisib1e hand

Ronnie saves his NUMMIs on a window in his room
(A marvel to be seen: dysentery green)
While Kenny & his buddies had a game out in the back:
LET'S MAKE THE WATER TURN BLACK

LET'S MAKE THE WATER TURN BLACK
Frank Zappa, 1968

10 posted on 09/19/2010 9:50:41 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How much of taxpayers’ money is being used to buy it?


11 posted on 09/19/2010 9:51:13 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: AndyJackson
The US government.

Silly me.

12 posted on 09/19/2010 9:51:58 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: AndyJackson
The US government. This is financed with a federal $465 Department of Energy Loan Guarantee to Tesla.

That's not so bad, then. I'm willing to risk $465 in taxpayer dollars to jumpstart a manufacturing concern, even if the product is PC.

13 posted on 09/19/2010 9:53:20 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: AndyJackson

thanks. That’s the initial hit, wonder where the rebates will end up?


14 posted on 09/19/2010 9:56:37 AM PDT by SouthTexas ("Global Climate Disruption" = More bovine excrement)
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To: AndyJackson
The projects are expected to create over 1,000 manufacturing jobs.

You know you're in trouble when even the optimistic government estimate says we're spending $465,000 per job.

15 posted on 09/19/2010 9:56:52 AM PDT by bornred
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To: the invisib1e hand

Probably China, if I had to guess.


16 posted on 09/19/2010 9:57:16 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Isn't that like 8X the range of Government Motors' Chevy Volt?

No. The Tesla is 300 miles and you stop dead until you charge it. The Volt goes 40 miles on the battery and continues using a gas engine/generator power source until it runs out of gasoline, or you reach a filling station (of which there are well over 100,000 in the US).

17 posted on 09/19/2010 9:57:29 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (King: "I have a dream"...Sharpton: "I want a check")
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To: Fresh Wind

If it uses a gasoline engine, isn’t it a hybrid, like the Toyota Prius, not an electric vehicle? And why so much for such a small car, then?


18 posted on 09/19/2010 9:59:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, I’m assuming that the NUMMI/Tesla plant will be staffed by UAW workers. Is this correct? When Toyota operated this plant, it was the only union manned plant in Toyota’s USA operation. They closed it, and suddenly Toyota’s had a gas pedal problem that, at last count, has killed almost half of the population of the U.S. Only the heroic intervention of the U.S. government saved us from total annihilation. God bless Obama and the Transportation Department.

So now, the combination of the UAW and an electric car that no one wants will save the entire U.S. economy. Have I got this right?


19 posted on 09/19/2010 10:07:36 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
Pretty much, and thanks for the clarification, from the presstitute reports I was under the impression it was more than half of the US population had perished from "the pedal".
20 posted on 09/19/2010 10:14:54 AM PDT by yesca (..belief is the enemy)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“and who’s gonna take it over when Tesla’s finished?”

Exactly. Wake me up when Tesla actually starts pushing finished, roadworthy, salable cars out the door.


21 posted on 09/19/2010 10:18:14 AM PDT by PLMerite (Fix the clock. It's time.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What bullshit. The NUMMI plant is huge and employed 4500 people, producing hundreds of cars a day. There’s no way that a small boutique manufacturer can utilize that amount of production capacity.

Tesla claims to now have thousands of employees and they haven’t sold a damn thing yet. They claim that when production actually starts in 2012 that they’ll have a thousand people on the floor producing 20,000 units a year.

Except for a few rich eccentrics, who is going to drop a 100k on a toy car?


22 posted on 09/19/2010 10:19:31 AM PDT by telebob
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Speaking of gubbermint motors, how many billions has the gubbermint poured into this boondoggle?”

My exact thoughts. Let’s see how they do when the government money runs out.


23 posted on 09/19/2010 10:20:25 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: the invisib1e hand

The central government can order you to purchase insurance and tell you what kind and from whom. Why do we think they won’t do the same for automobiles?


24 posted on 09/19/2010 10:20:54 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: telebob

They’re only saying that because they know the world will end in 2012, so it doesn’t matter anyway.


25 posted on 09/19/2010 10:22:39 AM PDT by yesca (..belief is the enemy)
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To: yesca

You’re right...I forgot about that and I saw the movie!

But I thought the Aztec calendar only showed a DeLorean not a Tesla...


26 posted on 09/19/2010 10:39:20 AM PDT by telebob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, it is a plug-in hybrid. It differs from the conventional hybrid because the gas motor only drives a generator and the generator drives the electric motor rather than have either the gas motor or the electric motor drive the wheels.

Why so much? Massive development costs on a car with (probably) very limited market appeal, and this gets you a car with acceptable range but only marginal performance.

The comparable Tesla model would the the Model S sedan which is projected to start at $50K (vs. $40K for the Volt), not considering federal tax incentives, which would apply to both.

But the performance of the Tesla sedan is much, much better than the Volt and its styling puts the Volt to shame.

The $100K Tesla roadster has exceptional performance, but minimal practicality. It’s an expensive richboy toy.

Either approach is interesting, but as it stands, I couldn’t see buying either.


27 posted on 09/19/2010 10:43:30 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (King: "I have a dream"...Sharpton: "I want a check")
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To: telebob

Whatever else it is, the Tesla is an expensive sports car. They plan on building 20k/year and selling Ooo them for $100,000 each.

In 2009, GM sold just 14k Corvettes at ~$70,000 each. That includes alot of people upgrading from older styles.

How is Tesla going to develop the capital to design and tool up for upgraded models every few years?

I predict they will sell about 15k total over a few years and then fold up. I also predict quality problems due to UAW assembly.

Imagine if the UAW assembled your iPod.


28 posted on 09/19/2010 10:55:58 AM PDT by keat
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To: Fresh Wind
Neither do I or anyone I know or would want to.

Another aspect of this pure and unadulterated BS is that as we entered WW II this whole same industry retooled in a quarter from cars to tanks, airplanes and every other wartoy for the big boys basically overnight.

Just consider that for a minute or two compared to the dance their doin' today.

29 posted on 09/19/2010 11:00:02 AM PDT by yesca (..belief is the enemy)
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To: keat
Whatever else it is, the Tesla is an expensive sports car.

The Tesla S is a five-passenger sedan, projected to start at $50K.


30 posted on 09/19/2010 11:02:15 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (King: "I have a dream"...Sharpton: "I want a check")
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To: AndyJackson

Just another government motors, perhaps GM Jr. The production and sale of electric vehicles is heavily subsidized. GM, Tesla, battery development, and actual sales are haavily subsidized. The worst part of the subsidies is government control of the energy industry. The grid will collapse from the load of electric vehicles if the vehicles become large sellers.


31 posted on 09/19/2010 11:05:14 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: centurion316
Almost. Looks like Toyota will still benefit from this operation....

"...and (2) to develop a manufacturing facility to produce battery packs, electric motors and other powertrain components that will power all-electric plug-in vehicles manufactured by Tesla and other original equipment manufacturers including Daimler and Toyota. "

32 posted on 09/19/2010 11:09:53 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TESLA is also a government-funded company


33 posted on 09/19/2010 11:24:14 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Isn't that like 8X the range of Government Motors' Chevy Volt?

No it isn't. The Chevy Volt goes 40miles all electric and then switches over onto ICE for charge sustain. You can drive a Chevy Volt coast to coast without a recharge.
34 posted on 09/19/2010 11:41:29 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s see now. Tesla paid $42,000,000 for a white elephant that has 5.5 million square feet of buildings, and essentially they’re gonna use one corner of one building to build their cars. They have orders for 3,000 cars, which will be priced “as low as” $50,000, even though Tesla’s startup money has come in the form of a $465 million “advanced technology loan” from the federal Department of Energy as part of the “stimulus” funding.

They’ve hired 30 of the former 4,700 employees, and are going to hire a “few more”, and CEO Elon Musk has said Tesla could have 2,000 employees within the next few years. (Notice the “could” and the “next few years” qualifiers.)

Does anyone else here besides myself see any problems with this situation? For example, assuming the best case scenario, we’ve got 2,000 jobs being federally subsidized at $233,000 per job. Or another way of looking at it, we’ve got the 3,000 cars subsidized at $155,000 per car. Naturally, they’ll be an additional direct $7,500 federal subsidy when a car is actually purchased, plus various state subsidies.

In the olden days before Obammunism, we would have called this a scam. Now what do we call it? Obammunism? Socialism? Fascism? Marxism? Or is it still just a plain ol’ ordinary scam financed with federal deficit spending?


35 posted on 09/19/2010 2:00:14 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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