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House Democrats Pass Bill to Grill School Children about Sexual Preference
Human Events ^ | Monday, September 20, 2010 | Connie Hair

Posted on 09/20/2010 6:45:30 AM PDT by kristinn

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To: DJ MacWoW
So the fear they will use that gargage in the schools is not sickening to you?

Come on, make up your mind.

151 posted on 09/20/2010 2:07:31 PM PDT by fml
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To: DJ MacWoW; wintertime

I think neighborhood controlled schools would be fine. I detailed my ideas about this on another thread.

Neighborhood parents and families could hire their own teachers, charge a nominal fee for attendence, use existing buildings such as church school rooms or other facilities, and decide their own cirricula and books. I don’t see any problem with that. No big government involved.

Small is beautiful!


152 posted on 09/20/2010 2:07:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I'm not so sure of that. Neighborhood schools run by the “neighborhood” would reflect their values and not DC’s or the states. There wouldn't be all that outside interference.
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I would agree if these neighborhood schools were completely voluntary in attendance and in funding.

By the way...I could see where HOAs could require funding of an HOA neighborhood school. The prospective buyer would be completely free to either buy into the neighborhood ( with its regulation to fund a school) or not.

153 posted on 09/20/2010 2:08:29 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: fml

You’re trying to fix the system from within.

What are YOU really accomplishing?

What progress have people with your mentality made in the last several decades?

Public school defenders make the exact same claim as you and I’ve yet to see ONE discernible difference the sacrifice of your child’s childhood has made against the system. It’s only gone from bad to worse.

If that’s what we can expect from all the efforts of people like you to fix the system from within, you can have it. Let us know when you make some REAL progress.


154 posted on 09/20/2010 2:09:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime

I don’t like compulsory at all.

Neighborhood schools arranged by local citizens and families doesn’t sound like government to me.

Funding could be a small fee from each child or family. No gov funding. Just think how that could lower property taxes (which I am entirely opposed to anyway).


155 posted on 09/20/2010 2:11:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: fml

I didn’t say you’re defending the law.

I said I’ve failed to see you CONDEMN it and tell us what you’re doing to ensure that it doesn’t become law instead of doing damage control after letting it pass.


156 posted on 09/20/2010 2:11:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

No problem!

I just put a link on that thread to over here since the discussion here is pretty - lively.


157 posted on 09/20/2010 2:13:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: wintertime
I did, to you post 84.

No doubt the system needs to be improved. Unions need to be done away with, tenure disappear, vouchers, heck earth day would go away if I had my way and so on

There is only one solution: Move toward a completely private system of K-12 education ( and I would extend this to government universities and colleges, as well!)

I don't disagree with you here either. I have taken issue with your condemnation of unchristian immoral and unethical anyone who teaches.

158 posted on 09/20/2010 2:13:32 PM PDT by fml
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To: fml
You can't be that oblivious. Well if you aren't far far right, yes, you can.

Your statement Fear of the school sysytem using such garbage is sickening, says a great deal about you.

For one it says that you have no idea what really IS happening in schools. Based on your faith in public indoctrination facilities, I don't care what your opinion is. You haven't enough information to give an informed one.

159 posted on 09/20/2010 2:14:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: fml
You don't fear that they will. Public indoctrination facilities have been deemed "okay" by you.

We on the far far right have a different opinion.

Have a nice day!

160 posted on 09/20/2010 2:16:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah; wintertime

It would give parents much more control.


161 posted on 09/20/2010 2:17:17 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: metmom
So you didn't see it.

I'll do what everyone else can and will do. Use my vote, my pen and be heard.

That I also went on about my take on parental control being a huge issue was no reason for the hot headed responses that followed

Tell me how does homeschooling in itself insure it won't be passed. I failed to read how you or the few bantering about with you have posted such.

Double standards are tricky, aren't they?

162 posted on 09/20/2010 2:19:27 PM PDT by fml
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To: DJ MacWoW
I don't know you, but I would have guessed being conservative and on this site such foolish editing and games would be beneath you.

I was wrong.

Hint, next time you play the editor & smear game, remember to leave off the comma.

163 posted on 09/20/2010 2:24:14 PM PDT by fml
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To: fml; DJ MacWoW

Well, DJ MacWoW, she’s attacking your grammar, which is a real hoot considering some of her posts.

However, that’s an admission of loss if I ever saw one. Those getting pounded always resort to attacking grammar or spelling.


164 posted on 09/20/2010 2:28:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: fml

No, I didn’t see it. I checked your posting history and went over the posts in this thread and haven’t seen you condemn the measure.


165 posted on 09/20/2010 2:29:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
to force kids to think about things they would not otherwise think about.

This is it: sexualizing our children.

Fox News was playing a segment about six-year-old girls being taught a cheer that had the word "booty" in it. When they showed the little girls doing cheers, however, you could see that they also had rudimentary boobs, sewn into the dress for a grown-up look.

Sexuality is strong in us for a reason. They are grabbing that strength and turning it to their own ends--to break up the family.

166 posted on 09/20/2010 2:30:35 PM PDT by firebrand (I know I'm getting better when I'm hopping mad once again)
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To: DJ MacWoW

In the Laura Ingalls Wilder books she describes the schools at that time. They had a school board, which was local people, they hired a school teacher, local families put up the teacher with board and room, and built a school house.

Maybe now it can’t be quite that simple, but the infernal rules and regulations and insane insurance requirements, need to be abolished. Getting rid of the diabolical Fedgov interference and control is a great first step. Has to be local control. If local neighborhoods don’t care if teachers haven’t been to teacher training universities, so what. I taught a lot of kids and I never graduated from high school!


167 posted on 09/20/2010 2:32:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: metmom
Gee then, I guess I didn't.

Just kidding, I did. Post 100, using time wisely I see.... A bad call by a brain dead lesbian who wants people running scared or rolling over and giving in.

168 posted on 09/20/2010 2:43:03 PM PDT by fml
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To: metmom; fml

It’s a stupid post since I also posted a link to her post. What would be the point of creative editing with the link to her post AND the thread with it? Anyone can see it by checking her posting history! Absolute nonsense.


169 posted on 09/20/2010 2:45:19 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: metmom
No I'm not. Try again. Sheesh!

What he posted is an edit of what I said. I clearly pointed out that is dishonest and usually considered bad form in a discussion.

I posted ....Republicans come off as weak kneed once again imo. Fear of the school sysytem using such garbage is sickening, but it should be fought on every level....and he didn't like it.

170 posted on 09/20/2010 2:47:44 PM PDT by fml
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To: fml
No doubt the system needs to be improved. Unions need to be done away with, tenure disappear, vouchers, heck earth day would go away if I had my way and so on.
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The above does NOT in any manner address the following:

How would what you have stated above “fix” in any way what is listed below???? Huh?

Socialist-funded
Godless
Compulsory
Government owned and run
Government price-fixed monopoly cartel

The above **is** government schooling! It defines government schooling. How can you or anyone else “fix” this? Please please explain.

If it were “fixed” it would be non-socialistic, non-compulsory, not government owned and run, not a price-fixed monopoly cartel, and it would be God-centered. In other words it would be a PRIVATE school!!!!

Please resolve this for us, please.

Also...There is the question of First Amendment Rights (federal and state). The very instant that a child enters a compulsory attendance government school, the government restricts his speech, press, association, and free exercise of his religion. Because it is compulsory the government is also trampling his liberty and his ability to freely live his life and pursue his happiness. Yet, if a school allows free speech, free press, free association, and free expression of religion, and liberty, chaos reigns and the school is neither safe or effective.

How would you “fix” this conundrum. Huh?

171 posted on 09/20/2010 2:49:39 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
See folks? This is why all that “let’s only focus on fiscal issues” nonsense is just that - NONSENSE.

Except that a fiscal conservative wouldn't be funding this governmental organization in the first place. So there couldn't even be any taskings like this, for there wouldn't *BE* anyone to carry it out.

Social conservative agenda accomplished via fiscal conservativism.

172 posted on 09/20/2010 2:50:00 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: fml

We are NOT afraid of the school system.

If it makes you feel better than others to keep repeating that mantra, there’s no stopping you.

But it is wrong and will not go unchallenged.

If we were afraid of the school system, we wouldn’t have defied it and homeschooled.

So, granted you’re not a teacher or employed by the system.

Which family member(s) then?


173 posted on 09/20/2010 2:52:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: fml
Post 100, using time wisely I see.... A bad call by a brain dead lesbian who wants people running scared or rolling over and giving in.

If you consider that a condemnation of this proposed measure, it's no wonder people like you aren't fixing the public school system.

174 posted on 09/20/2010 2:54:31 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: fml
I have taken issue with your condemnation of unchristian immoral and unethical anyone who teaches.
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Well...I call the people who teach children to be comfortable with the following **are** EVIL! What would you call them?

Below **is** government schooling! It defines government schooling.

Socialist-funded
Godless
Compulsory
Government owned and run
Government price-fixed monopoly cartel

And...All government schools trash First Amendment Rights ( state and federal) and trash life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, as well, since they are compulsory in cases where private schools do not exist ( due to government price-fixing) and homeschooling is not possible.

175 posted on 09/20/2010 2:55:35 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah
In the small Christian schools, teachers have several grades in one room. The older kids help the younger ones which keeps the older ones sharp. And most Christian schools place high academically.

Anyway I think bringing back neighborhood schools is key. And they need to quit with the big rural consolidated school districts. My township voted down the $89 million budget. TWICE. We said enough is enough!

176 posted on 09/20/2010 2:57:54 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: fml; little jeremiah; wintertime; DJ MacWoW

You aren’t doing anything to *fix* the system with your solutions.

Doing something to fix the system requires action and hard work like running for school board and getting on it, contacting your representatives and making your voice heard, proposing legislation and working to get it passed.

Your do nothing approach of *empowering the children* (liberal speak if I ever heard it) is useless and meaningless. Having a child walk out of classroom will accomplish nothing. It will fix nothing. It’s merely damage control.

We can see that even if you can’t.

Delude yourself if you think that’s really accomplishing something, just like you’re deluding yourself into thinking that you can send your child to public schools for 12 years and undo the damage done there.


177 posted on 09/20/2010 3:11:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
We are NOT afraid of the school system. If it makes you feel better than others to keep repeating that mantra, there’s no stopping you.

In this case the fear is the schools will, I feel the legislation should be stopped at all levels. Why must you all keep making is personal somehow?

If we were afraid of the school system, we wouldn’t have defied it and homeschooled.

OK, not on topic but you seem to like the battle. I simply addressed those of us who use the system. You belittled us not the other way around.

So, granted you’re not a teacher or employed by the system. Which family member(s) then?

Sigh.

Best of luck to you and your kids. Knowing it all should be an advantage

178 posted on 09/20/2010 3:14:14 PM PDT by fml
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To: metmom
Doing something to fix the system requires action and hard work like running for school board and getting on it, contacting your representatives and making your voice heard, proposing legislation and working to get it passed.
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Well?...How does a person fix government schools when by definition the **are**: socialist-funded, godless, compulsory, government owned and run, and a price-fixed monopoly cartel?

I suppose what's needed it to elect representatives that support non-socialist, God-centered, non-compulsory, non-government owned and run, and not a price-fixed cartel. That, by definition, is a **private** school!

What's needed are elected representatives who will start the process of completely privatizing education. And,..Yes!...That is hard work.

179 posted on 09/20/2010 3:19:04 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: gogogodzilla

There could very easily be a fiscally tightwad and sound godless libertine fascist government.


180 posted on 09/20/2010 3:19:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: fml
Fear of the school sysytem using such garbage is sickening

Your use of the word "fear" is unclear. Are you saying conservatives (do you consider yourself one, BTW - hard to tell, since you condemned us for "far, far right" opinions?) are "afraid" of the school system and that this fear is sickening? That people should not be afraid that this promotion of pervesion will infect their children? Or what?

Maybe you explain exactly what you mean, it is not clearly stated.

181 posted on 09/20/2010 3:22:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Exactly. Those huge schools are horrible, and kids ride the bus for hours. Small, local control.

One room schools or schools that combine grades are good. It is unnatural for kids to only associate with those of their exact age anyway. The older ones can help teach the younger ones and that has many benefits.


182 posted on 09/20/2010 3:24:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah

Busing is horrible in mountains in snow and sleet. And endangering kids is government mandated? Pffft!


183 posted on 09/20/2010 3:38:23 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: kristinn
House Democrats Pass Bill to Grill School Children about Sexual Preference

My first instinct is to tell them "Suck it!", but then they'll put me in the wrong column...

184 posted on 09/20/2010 3:51:12 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: kristinn

Another reason to eliminate a department we can’t afford and can’t find in the Constitution.


185 posted on 09/20/2010 3:51:58 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: DJ MacWoW

I grew up in small towns and once I had to go to a high school with almost 2000 kids in it.

I practically died. I already hated school but I could not handle being with 2000 utter strangers.

The first reason I decided to homeschool was my horrible memories of public schooling.


186 posted on 09/20/2010 4:27:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Tired of Taxes; wagglebee

Just when you think you’ve heard it all, you’re surprised.


187 posted on 09/20/2010 4:29:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: alancarp
And if any Democrat complains that no such right exists, then ask them to make all abortion records public.

Oh, not the records. Roe and Griswold rely on the right to privacy. So if they claim now there isn't one, it doesn't bring the records out, it returns abortion legislation to the states.

188 posted on 09/20/2010 4:34:56 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: little jeremiah
I went to a little neighborhood school. Some of the teachers remembered my mother. I heard they're tearing it down. The HS I went to was 1500 to 2000 students. It was new in 64. They're tearing it down too. The school where I attended kindergarten is being torn down too. Ohio is broke but they're building new schools and consolidating. Idiots.

Oh and I hated HS.

189 posted on 09/20/2010 4:39:34 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“Starve the Beast” is definitely part of the solution.

If they absolutely have no money, they can’t spend it.


190 posted on 09/20/2010 4:42:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ...

“No, Johnny, that does NOT mean “human sexual.” Do you like boys or don’t you???”

PING!


191 posted on 09/20/2010 4:44:14 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: little jeremiah

Our kids’ Catholic school does something like this. The school is PreK-6. The 6th graders are paired up with a Kindergartener (my oldest is in 6th this year); the 5th graders are paired up with a 1st grader; and the 4th graders are paired up with a preschooler. The older ones sit with their pals at Mass each Friday and do other things with them througout the year. It teaches the older kids the responsibility of setting an example for a younger student and it teaches the younger kids that the big kids aren’t so scary, LOL (when I was in 3rd grade, those 8th graders seemed gigantic to me). It is wildly successful—my now third grade son still sees his older pals from his Kindergarten days(who are now at the Catholic junior high up the road) from time to time and it’s fun to watch. There are just around 300 kids in the school, so it’s a tight knit group and everyone knows everyone ;)

It would be SO easy for me to dump my kids in the public school that you see out our back door, but over my dead body. I am grateful for the Catholic education my parents sacrificed for, and it is of top importance for my husband and I to do the same for our four kids. At this school, we KNOW what morals are being taught—and it is not some busybody asking them if they’re gay or straight. My husband was admamant about the kids being given a Catholic education in a Catholic school—even if it means doing without the Ipods and the big-screen TVs.

Anyone who thinks the government can give the same love and attention to my kids in their educational and moral upbringing that I or our chosen school can is REALLY going to love government run healthcare!


192 posted on 09/20/2010 4:50:41 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: little jeremiah

They fired teachers aides because of “lack of money” (with a $4million surplus from last year) but were going to remodel the offices, new carpet, paint and new computers. Um, No.


193 posted on 09/20/2010 4:53:55 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma

Good examples of a good school.

Also, most private parochial or Christian schools spend much, much less than public schools per student.


194 posted on 09/20/2010 5:05:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

More and more money goes to administration and buildings.

About 15 years ago or so when I lived in Portland (OR), one radio guy had a list of all the administrators in the Portland area school department who made $100,000 or over. It was pages and pages.

I think the top dog admin. made $800,000.

OUR TAX MONEY!


195 posted on 09/20/2010 5:08:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: kristinn

whiskey

tango

FOXTROT????!!!!


196 posted on 09/20/2010 5:24:57 PM PDT by a real Sheila (NEVER FORGET 9-11! NEVER FORGET!)
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To: little jeremiah

Yeah. Their salaries are outrageous. Teachers used to be underpaid. Now it has gone the other way.


197 posted on 09/20/2010 5:47:06 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: yoe

People like her need to be tried for crimes or attempted crimes against humanity. Our country is being run by people who belong either in a pentientary or padded cells!


198 posted on 09/20/2010 6:51:01 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: little jeremiah

A fiscal tightwad wouldn’t fund anything but the barest minimum necessary for an operational government... so all this leftist bullcr@p wouldn’t get funded, no matter how ‘libertine’ they might be.

Which then allows for the silent majority’s voice to be heard.

Once more, fiscal conservativism advances the social conservative agenda.


199 posted on 09/20/2010 7:58:58 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: little jeremiah

True—our school is using the same building since they opened their doors on 9/8/1930! It wouldn’t be possible to keep costs so low if it wasn’t for the great efforts of the parents who volunteer their time and talents to the school. The Spring Festival draws people from all over the area and profits around $125,000 each year. The 2010 festival netted $131K! When you have a stake in how the school operates, you have a tendency to be more involved and take ownership of it.


200 posted on 09/21/2010 6:52:41 AM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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