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Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?
Weekly Standard ^ | September 20, 2010 | John McCormack

Posted on 09/20/2010 2:12:12 PM PDT by reaganaut1

Lately, the White House and its allies have been drawing attention to the political activities of libertarian billionaires Charles and David Koch. In an August 9 speech, President Obama singled out Americans for Prosperity, a free-market political group founded by David Koch in 2004. In the wake of the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, Obama said:

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"Using a great deal" of research by the left-wing Center for American Progress, the New Yorker's Jane Mayer reported in the magazine's August 30 issue that the Kochs are "waging a war against Obama." Reason's Nick Gillespie argued that Mayer's report was nothing more than "sly innuendo and revelations as lame as they are breathless," but that hasn't stopped top Democrats from blasting the Kochs for funding the Democrats' political opposition.

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman Chris Van Hollen said in a September 10 TV appearance that "Americans for Prosperity which are the Koch Industries ... did well under the Bush administration economic policies," which is why AFP is opposing the Democrats. In a September 16 speech, President Obama again singled out Americans for Prosperity. Even Jimmy Carter took a whack at the Kochs last week.

While the attention is unwanted for the Kochs, if somewhat expected, a lawyer for Koch Industries now tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the administration may have crossed a line by revealing tax information about Koch Industries. According to Mark Holden, senior vice president and general counsel of Koch Industries, a senior Obama administration official told reporters at an August 27 on-the-record background briefing on corporate taxes:

(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: crooks; koch; kochindustries; leftists; marxists; obama; taxsnooping
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Besides Obama's tax snooping, another issue is that his administration wants all business income to be taxed twice, at both the corporate level and when it gets passed on to shareholders. Partnerships are just tax shelters in his view.
1 posted on 09/20/2010 2:12:15 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Criminal use of protected information by Regime Communist thugs.


2 posted on 09/20/2010 2:13:40 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: reaganaut1

Time for impeachment to start.


3 posted on 09/20/2010 2:14:03 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: reaganaut1

You are right. That is at the root of that guy’s comment. Talk about a major blow to the economy and employment. Such a move would raise unemployment to 33%.


4 posted on 09/20/2010 2:15:46 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (If I weren't afraid of the feds, I would refer to Obama as our "undocumented POTUS")
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To: reaganaut1

These guys make the Nixon people look like amateurs. They know that the MSM has their back and that they control both houses of Congress and so they can get away with this stuff with impunity, particularly when the Pres. and AG are black and therefore any criticism is “racism”. Saul Alinsky and Stalin would be so proud . . .


5 posted on 09/20/2010 2:15:57 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: reaganaut1

Gee I thought Richard Nixon was dead.
Have the bros asked for an FBI investigation?


6 posted on 09/20/2010 2:16:21 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Time to sue the living he!! out of THE 1. Wait until January, then start the impeachment proceedings. Get rid of this drek.


7 posted on 09/20/2010 2:16:22 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (HEY, NAZI PELOUSY, ON NOVEMBER 2, WE WILL DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: reaganaut1

Darrell Issa, please pick up the white courtesy phone....


8 posted on 09/20/2010 2:20:40 PM PDT by BradtotheBone (Moderate Democrat - A politician whose voting record leans left and whose vote can be bought.)
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To: Liz; STARWISE; maggief; onyx; penelopesire; SE Mom; Helen; LucyT

Overstepping boundaries: IMPEACH in January.


9 posted on 09/20/2010 2:20:59 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

Koch Industries lead the winning battle to stop the Clinton BTU tax.


10 posted on 09/20/2010 2:29:39 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: reaganaut1

Koch Industries is a privately held company, so it makes no SEC filings or other disclosures unless it wants to. It’s tax status is private information. If a private tax preparer had done this it would be a federal crime.


11 posted on 09/20/2010 2:31:22 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: hoosiermama; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
~ Ping ~

Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

. . . . See article.

12 posted on 09/20/2010 2:32:16 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: reaganaut1

Everyone take a deep breath. Koch Industries is incorporated somewhere. You can look up companies in the state in which they are incorporated and see what type of corporation they are. Here is podunk Iowas you can do this vis the web. This is public information. The article didn’t say they didn’t pay taxes, it said they didn’t pay “corporate” taxes, as they’re most likely incorporated in some way in which their tax liability is the personal tax liability of the owners (like and LLC or an S Corp).


13 posted on 09/20/2010 2:33:46 PM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: reaganaut1

Whoa. Obama and company caught red-handed. This ought to be real good. This is the darnedest election cycle I have ever seen.

We have RINO’s losing primaries and won’t call the Conservative winner but they would have no problems congratulating a dimoKKKRAT winner.


14 posted on 09/20/2010 2:34:40 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: reaganaut1

the Obamanators make Richard Nixon’s team look like pikers

time to ramp up some serious investigations of these scumbags!!!!


15 posted on 09/20/2010 2:36:12 PM PDT by Enchante ("The great enemy of clear language is insincerity." -- George Orwell --)
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To: reaganaut1

Time to trash the IRS.....


16 posted on 09/20/2010 2:37:38 PM PDT by mo
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To: LucyT

You know what’s funny is that Reason magazine employs tons of Republican haters, and libertarians-in-name-only. Many at Reason were writing for Obama to win back in 2008.


17 posted on 09/20/2010 2:44:04 PM PDT by Paddy Irish
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To: reaganaut1

Obama and the left need to buy many votes.

They need it taxed three times.


18 posted on 09/20/2010 2:46:07 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Communities fight the construction projects: Walmarts, Starbucks and even tree removal.)
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To: reaganaut1

This is big in my view. Koch Industries are one of the worlds most secretive business enterprises ever. The Koch brothers don’t even like for light to get out of their properties.

They have only seldom gone public with anything and you mostly won’t find anything they own listed in the public domain. Yes, they are incorporated in shell upon shell to protect their personal assets but these are mostly privately owned companies.

My money is on Koch Industries. I hope this explodes before the election. These may be rich private citizens but they are private citizens. If obastard can smear them it is confirmed that none of us are safe from blackmail by obastard and crew.


19 posted on 09/20/2010 2:49:49 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: trad_anglican

Yes, they are incorporated somewhere but whether they are an S corp or a C corp is not public information. It is not even a state level designation and is an issue between the corporate officers and the IRS.

And LLCs can now choose to pay taxes like an S Corp if they wish to avoid double taxation.

For the Obama administration to divulge that Koch Ind is an S corp would require looking in the IRS tax rolls.


20 posted on 09/20/2010 2:55:20 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax is to tax policy as Global Warming is to science.)
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To: trad_anglican
Koch is no doubt incorporated, but it is not a publicly traded corporation, so there would not be shareholder reports or SEC filings. Which means no publicly disclosed tax information.
21 posted on 09/20/2010 3:01:30 PM PDT by Inappropriate Laughter (Obama: Another illegal alien living in public housing)
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To: del4hope

ping...


22 posted on 09/20/2010 3:07:27 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: reaganaut1

bttt


23 posted on 09/20/2010 3:07:34 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: reaganaut1

PS

S-corps are completely legal and vilifying them is smoke and mirrors. obastard and crew are once again twisting the truth by insinuating that no taxes are paid on S-corp earnings... S-corps pay tax at the top marginal tax rate of the owners, right now, the rate is similar to corporate taxes. The difference is that the earnings are not taxed twice like they are for C-corp earnings.

If you own C-corp stock and they are paying a dividend you should question the management’s ability. A C-corp is supposed to reinvest all their earnings profitably and grow the company. If they don’t the earnings are taxed at 35% corporate tax rate and then also at the current dividend tax rate to the share holders.

“So in this country we have partnerships, we have S corps, we have LLCs, we have a series of entities that do not pay corporate income tax. Some of which are really giant firms, you know Koch Industries is a multi-billion dollar businesses. So that creates a narrower base because we’ve literally got something like 50 percent of the business income in the U.S. is going to businesses that don’t pay any corporate income tax. They point out [in the report] you could review the boundary between corporate and non-corporate taxation as a way to broaden the base.”


24 posted on 09/20/2010 3:08:46 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: NCC-1701
then start the impeachment proceedings.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Impeachment may not be necessary. Obama may not be a natural born citizen ( or even a citizen of any kind!)

All that is needed is for some committee to subpoena the records related to his natural born citizenship and citizenship in general.

25 posted on 09/20/2010 3:13:40 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: rockvillem
These guys make the Nixon people look like amateurs.

Nixon was an amateur crook. He got caught by professional ones.

26 posted on 09/20/2010 3:17:28 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Your tagline is incorrect. The meek do inherit the Earth.....in 4 foot by 8 foot plots.


27 posted on 09/20/2010 3:21:51 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: reaganaut1

Koch Industries....wasn’t this Anna Nicole Smith’s sugar daddy husband’s family??


28 posted on 09/20/2010 3:35:44 PM PDT by OBXWanderer
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To: Sequoyah101

And if you don’t pay out dividends, IRS audits you and you will pay a 25% tax for not paying out dividends


29 posted on 09/20/2010 3:36:25 PM PDT by nodakkid
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To: nodakkid

Sorry, it’s 39.6 Not 25.
However, a corporation may not safely accumulate (retain) its earnings indefinitely. If the accumulations are not related to the reasonable needs of the business, an accumulated earnings tax of 39.6 percent will apply in addition to the regular corporate tax. Virtually any corporation can accumulate up to $250,000 ($150,000 for service-type corporations) in retained earnings without becoming subject to this tax.


30 posted on 09/20/2010 3:42:04 PM PDT by nodakkid
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Chicago Politics at its finest.


31 posted on 09/20/2010 3:44:35 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: FormerACLUmember

It is my understanding that the head of the IRS, Timothy Geithner, can “back door” his way into any tax return that was filed by Turbo Tax, whether a privately held company or not. He can then just send it as an email attachment directly to the White House.


32 posted on 09/20/2010 3:58:22 PM PDT by naturalborn
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To: reaganaut1
Administration Official: So in this country we have partnerships, we have S corps, we have LLCs, we have a series of entities that do not pay corporate income tax. Some of which are really giant firms, you know Koch Industries is a multibillion dollar businesses.

"Holden tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD that this quotation from a senior administration official "came to our attention from different avenues. We are very concerned about why this would be said about us, particularly in this setting. We are concerned where this information would have been obtained from. We also are concerned in light of recent events that we have been singled out by the government and others as a campaign against us because of our political views."

THE WEEKLY STANDARD asked White House press office officials in an email on Friday to verify the quotation's accuracy, but 72 hours later they have not replied. A White House press aide reached this morning on the phone said she would look into whether a transcript of the call exists. The aide has not yet responded.

But an independent source who participated in the briefing confirms to THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the quotation matches the source's careful notes from the briefing."

I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS PLAY OUT IN PROCESS. CAN KOCH REQUEST AN INVESTIGATION?

33 posted on 09/20/2010 4:03:07 PM PDT by GVnana (I'm a Mama Grizzly)
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To: reaganaut1

This is why all Americans need to come together and stop picking the pockets of the rich.

Thieves elect thieves. If we let them go after the rich, they’ll come after us next. They always have.


34 posted on 09/20/2010 5:55:53 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts; rockvillem

Obama & Co. are heirs to the greatest band of thieves the world has ever seen: The Chicago Democratic Machine.

Look up Michael McDonald - the Gambler King of Clark Street.

He founded the Chicago branch of the party. He’s a conman, pimp, murderer, thief, womanizer and cheat.

What’s changed in the Democratic part of today?


35 posted on 09/20/2010 6:00:59 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Lurker
Your tagline is incorrect. The meek do inherit the Earth.....in 4 foot by 8 foot plots.

Yes, the Earth shall inherit the meek. But, my predicate is about the meek, not the Earth.

36 posted on 09/20/2010 6:10:08 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: reaganaut1

The President and his people gave it to us.

Next question.


37 posted on 09/20/2010 6:12:47 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: RobFromGa

Wrong. The type of incorporation is public information.


38 posted on 09/20/2010 6:25:55 PM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: Inappropriate Laughter
Which means no publicly disclosed tax information.

There's a filing with the Secretary of State in the state in which they are incorporated. This is public information.

39 posted on 09/20/2010 6:28:08 PM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: reaganaut1; Beckwith; Fred Nerks

One more fascist marker among dozens.Koch Industries has the right to support whatever political party it wishes, with impunity, without executive comment.

The use of privileged, secure IRS information for political reasons can reach into the IRS data base on every individual who opposes the Obama agenda, not just Koch Industries.This is fascist thuggism.

A crime has been committed, and the FBI should be investigating it.

Good read, know what we are dealing with:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


40 posted on 09/20/2010 6:36:57 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: FormerACLUmember

No surprise of course.

The fact that they have been able to totally scrub every trace of Baraq’s existence over a period of decades tells you they have a world class group of operatives.

Kind of makes the Clinton mafia look like amateurs.


41 posted on 09/20/2010 6:38:29 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Candor7

Bump to follow.


42 posted on 09/20/2010 6:45:48 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: trad_anglican

Filings with the sec of state (at least in the states I’ve done it, and I expect it’s the same all over) don’t require provision of federal income tax information.


43 posted on 09/20/2010 7:32:28 PM PDT by Inappropriate Laughter (Obama: Another illegal alien living in public housing)
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To: trad_anglican
Wrong. The type of incorporation is public information.

Prove it.
44 posted on 09/20/2010 7:38:29 PM PDT by kenavi (What drove BP to drill 5,000 feet down?)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter
Koch Industries is based in Wichita, KS.
They are a world-wide, privately held company, owned by Charles and David Koch.
There is very little mystery about the company. 100 percent of the shares in Koch are owned or controlled by the Koch brothers.
45 posted on 09/20/2010 7:40:16 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

And because it is a private company the income taxes it pays is not published (try and find it), and so it seems likely that the source of the information was the IRS. Which would be, if the laws meant anything and applied to “The One,” illegal.


46 posted on 09/20/2010 8:12:54 PM PDT by Inappropriate Laughter (Obama: Another illegal alien living in public housing)
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To: kenavi; trad_anglican
trad_anglican is correct -the type of corporation is public information available from the Secretary of State within the state the company incorporated in.

HOWEVER, the type of corporation, although relevant as to the fact that Koch is a private versus public company that is not required to and does not file public financial statements with the SEC, is irrelevant as to the accusation that the administration released private information -financial information only available from private tax filings -this as evidenced in this White House staff statement:

"So in this country we have partnerships, we have S corps, we have LLCs, we have a series of entities that do not pay corporate income tax. Some of which are really giant firms, you know Koch Industries is a multibillion dollar businesses."

I would say that we see 0zero & his merry band of useful idiots once again caught with their hands in the cookie jar...

47 posted on 09/20/2010 8:35:04 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: reaganaut1

The Weakly Lack of Standards need to stay off of phony O’Donnell stories and concentrate on the Kenyan. This could be a diversionary tactic to throw off those of us that have been kicking them in the ass for their lack of conservative principles. Kristol, Barnes, Krautmeister, and the new dude on Fox Report from that rag need to get the message - we’re coming after them if they don’t straighten out their act.


48 posted on 09/20/2010 9:10:14 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: reaganaut1

The Yomama regime is using the IRS to intimidate financial supporters of political opponents. Are you surprised?


49 posted on 09/20/2010 10:04:04 PM PDT by OregonPatriot2010
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To: nodakkid

Encourages spending and maybe inefficiency.


50 posted on 09/20/2010 10:09:57 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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