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Mythbuster: Federal workers not overpaid, senator asserts
Federal Computer Week ^ | September 20, 2010 | Federal Daily Staff

Posted on 09/21/2010 9:19:03 AM PDT by Poundstone

Recently circulated news stories charging that federal employees are grossly overpaid — allegedly earning more than twice their private industry counterparts — are based on “a flawed reading of statistical data,” according to Sen. Ted Kaufman (D-Del.).

In a Sept. 15 speech, Kaufman disputed a USA Today article purporting that federal workers’ pay dramatically outstrips that of their private-sector counterparts. The newspaper’s analysis, which was based on Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) data, concluded that, in 2009, federal employees received an average total compensation in pay and benefits of $123,049, while private sector workers made $61,051.

The newspaper’s analysis did not include military pay in its calculation of federal compensation, Kaufman said.

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A fair assessment by Sen. Kaufman, I'd say.
1 posted on 09/21/2010 9:19:08 AM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone
"are likely performing very different, and quite possibly more highly specialized work"

Hearsay speculation on the part of the witless, a Senator from Delaware.

2 posted on 09/21/2010 9:22:44 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

No more hearsay than those who delight in blasting federal employees and retirees.


3 posted on 09/21/2010 9:23:27 AM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: Poundstone

Paying Federal employees to stay home and do NOTHING would leave the nation better off, but what sense would THAT make?


4 posted on 09/21/2010 9:23:27 AM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: Poundstone

Figures don’t lie but liars sure as hell figure.

You can twist and bend anything and this guy demonstrated mastery.

horeshit


5 posted on 09/21/2010 9:25:46 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: tired1

Jan 20, 2013:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
[pause]
“All executive branch ‘alphabet’ regulatory agencies are hereby dissolved.”


6 posted on 09/21/2010 9:26:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Poundstone

Why not make all government jobs military jobs then? Or have all government jobs paid at military scales.


7 posted on 09/21/2010 9:29:48 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Poundstone
"“Our federal workforce has also become far better educated in the last twenty years, which also translates into greater earning power.”"

Highly questionable "analysis". The Senator doesn't seem to have any published analysis behind his remarks.

Please point to independent reports indicating gov't workers are underpaid.

8 posted on 09/21/2010 9:30:50 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Poundstone

“•Benefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government’s contribution to pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.”

So the difference is essentially in the pensions. Good luck in geeing it 30 year down the line.


9 posted on 09/21/2010 9:32:26 AM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Poundstone

Kaufman’s days are numbered. A Biden toadie if there is ever one.

What exactly is the military’s civilian counterpart, so you can get a fair assessment on the pay grade?


10 posted on 09/21/2010 9:33:48 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: MrB

“All executive branch ‘alphabet’ regulatory agencies are hereby dissolved.”

You Betcha!


11 posted on 09/21/2010 9:34:35 AM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: Poundstone
Have federal employees' raises been halted? Do federal employees get a matching contribution to their retirement contributions? If so are the matches continuing?

I do know I haven't had a raise in 3 years and my company's 401(k) match stopped 2 years ago... but inflation continues to rise.

Appears me and others at my company are going a little backwards.

12 posted on 09/21/2010 9:36:07 AM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Paladin2

I’ll bet I know more federal employees than Da Senator.

Not all of them are overpaid, and some are arguably worth far more in the public sector. But a lot of them are absolutely positively overpaid.


13 posted on 09/21/2010 9:39:52 AM PDT by freespirited (This tagline dedicated to the memory of John Armor, a/k/a Congressman Billybob.)
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To: Poundstone
Here's one for you... we have far too many gooberment employees and one day I hope that half of them are forced to find employment in the private sector.

LLS

14 posted on 09/21/2010 9:39:56 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: outpostinmass2
Bravo! If you used military pay scales for all government jobs, there would be a gradual move to the exit doors to the extent that wholesale cuts in the size of government would be unnecessary.

If you added military risk scales for all government jobs, that gradual exit would turn into a stampede.

15 posted on 09/21/2010 9:40:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Then there’s the CEO thing ~ the government only has ONE CEO whereas the private sector has 7 million CEOs and not a one of their salaries or other income was included in the computation!


16 posted on 09/21/2010 9:40:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Vigilanteman
you don't sound like you have any understanding of government or military pay scales. Your typical full bull colonel gets pay and benefits fairly comparable to your typical GS15. Pay and benefits for General grade officers are in line with SES.

You probably have in mind pilots ~ military pilots are younger and less experienced than the guys flying 747s in the private sector, but not everybody gets to fly Heavy eh!~

17 posted on 09/21/2010 9:43:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Tagline


18 posted on 09/21/2010 9:43:51 AM PDT by listenhillary (A 50% cut of federal spending would be a good place to start.)
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To: MrB
“All executive branch ‘alphabet’ regulatory agencies are hereby dissolved.”

You do realize you just caused FDR to spin in his grave.

I count that as a good thing. That Commie SHOULDN'T rest quietly because of all the harm he brought on this nation.

19 posted on 09/21/2010 9:44:56 AM PDT by magslinger ('This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!')
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To: Poundstone
My brother is a federal Employee (Naval Shipyard) and he makes just a little less than I do if you count his base salary. But adding in all the overtime he is aloud it skyrockets his actual salary way above mine. He also does not worry about layoffs and strikes. Between him and my Dad who retired from the shipyard, I only remember one layoff for them, when the yard let people go for a 24 hours and then hired them back again - just to satisfy some year-end political promise.
20 posted on 09/21/2010 9:46:01 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Trajan88

I feel your pain.
2008 0%.
2009 0%.
2010 1.3% raise.


21 posted on 09/21/2010 9:47:30 AM PDT by rickb308 (I love watching libruls heads explode as they see their dogma run over by their karma.)
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To: Vigilanteman

You make great pay in the military, it’s one of the greatest myths in the world.


22 posted on 09/21/2010 9:48:53 AM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Poundstone

Largely I think they’re overpaid, although it is a mixed bag. There are some tip-top defense, intelligence and judiciary folks who make perhaps 60% of what they could make in private-sector work, but they prefer serving their country.


23 posted on 09/21/2010 9:49:10 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: muawiyah
I'm well aware that military officers (once you get above the Captain level) have an attractive pay scale. But most of them have to earn it. Yes, there are some buffoons who rise in the ranks mainly due to connections or simply seniority. Colin Powell and Joe Sestak come to mind.

But these buffoons are far less common in the military than in the government work force for the simple reason that unit effectiveness (and even survival in battle situations) depend on leadership which has earned respect.

24 posted on 09/21/2010 9:51:14 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Poundstone

You just did this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2585223/posts

Here you go again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaEbX5ARBuw

BTW I hope you are retired. It is working hours on a weekday right now.


25 posted on 09/21/2010 9:51:59 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Detente with the GOP nomenklatura - trust, but verify.)
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To: NavyCanDo

He gets overtime?....DAMN! I’m in the wrong agency.


26 posted on 09/21/2010 9:52:16 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: Poundstone

That USA Today article also pointed out how over the last decade federal employee pay increases outpaced inflation by over 30%, compared to a mere 6% in the private sector. Kaufman does not address this troubling fact at all. And for good reason.


27 posted on 09/21/2010 9:52:21 AM PDT by kevao
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To: freespirited

I worked for the Feds in two different organizations decades ago and left to double my pay. It’s easy to guess that parity has been reached quite a while ago based on all the gov’t folks who live in Columbia, MD.


28 posted on 09/21/2010 9:52:21 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Poundstone

Ooooh, I’m going to enjoy reading the responses to this thread. :)


29 posted on 09/21/2010 9:53:09 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: Palter
You do, once you get to the rank of Captain or above.

But try comparing the salary and benefits of your typical corporal to their rank equivalent in the government work force. Most people in the government work force do not even have corporal level responsibilities.

30 posted on 09/21/2010 9:54:29 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Like, I said, a myth. I know, I enjoyed it.
31 posted on 09/21/2010 9:58:39 AM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Poundstone

As a federal civilian employee I feel that my compensation is low. Monday I got up put on full body armor in 107 degree heat & got on a helicopter, Flew from somewhere in Iraq to elsewhere in Iraq. Slept on a cot for the past two nights, eating food that some might call unappetizing while working 14 hours a day in heat varying from 104 to 111 degrees.


32 posted on 09/21/2010 9:59:24 AM PDT by Just_de_facts
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To: Just_de_facts

I am sorry you were conscripted against your will.


33 posted on 09/21/2010 10:08:43 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Detente with the GOP nomenklatura - trust, but verify.)
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To: Poundstone

Interesting that he complains about the compatibility of jobs and then whines that the military was not included which would just complicate the problem of compatibility.

There may be some good reasons that government employees make more than the private sector on average, I just find it hard to believe that on average federal employees earning over twice the private sector can be justified.


34 posted on 09/21/2010 10:10:47 AM PDT by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: MrB
Jan 20, 2013:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
[pause]
“All executive branch ‘alphabet’ regulatory agencies are hereby dissolved.”

Nope, I wouldn't be qualified to be President until 2017...
If I were running for the office of President [age currently prevents me] it’d be on an “Extreme Constitutionalist” platform, meaning:
a) No Department of Energy
b) No Department of Education
c) No Department of Agriculture
d) No NASA (some claim it necessary for defense, if so put it under the appropriate military branch)
e) No BATFE
f) No Air Force (fold them into the Army from whence they came: the Army Air Corp; or amend the Constitution to allow an Air Force — Marines are under the Navy which is Constitutionally authorized.)
g) Reduction in the Department of Transportation to little more than maintaining federal roads, rails & bridges.
h) No Department of Labor
i) No Environmental Protection Agency
j) No Center for Disease Control
k) No Medicare
l) No Medicaid
m) No Social Security
n) No Department of Health and Human Services
o) No Department of Housing and Urban Development
p) No Drug Enforcement Administration
q) No Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
r) No Bureau of Industry and Security
s) No FEMA
t) No Federal Communications Commission
u) No Federal Student Aid
v) No Food and Drug Administration
w) No Internal Revenue Service
x) No Securities and Exchange Commission
y) No Selective Service System
z) No Occupational Safety & Health Administration

That and I'd definitely try to get that rather stupid law prohibiting the Post-Office from making a profit repealed; if it *were* a for-profit organization then it could be used to reduce the amount of money needed by the government in taxes for operation. {The only problem I see is the possibility of someone trying to make it into a monopoly via "law and regulation;" but it already is for personal postage [IIRC].}

35 posted on 09/21/2010 10:16:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Psalm 144

Well aside from the asinine comment, if you read my post you would have noticed that I am not military, I am a DOD civilian. The point you should have taken away is that some federal employees perform very difficult jobs under extreme conditions. The compensation is just not commensurate with the hours and hardships, but we do this anyway because it supports our soldiers. And by the way I am much closer to 60 than 50. I hope this helps you to understand Newbie.


36 posted on 09/21/2010 10:18:45 AM PDT by Just_de_facts
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To: Just_de_facts

I had very similar experiences last year in Afghanistan, where I was deployed as a federal civilian employee.

Some of the Neanderthals here at Free Republic just don’t get it.


37 posted on 09/21/2010 10:23:23 AM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Deja vu all over again, with the exception of the effort to conflate the military withe Department of Redundancy Department’s document documenters.


38 posted on 09/21/2010 10:30:34 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Detente with the GOP nomenklatura - trust, but verify.)
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To: Poundstone

I’d say the good Senator is full of excrement.


39 posted on 09/21/2010 10:34:06 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Palter

“You make great pay in the military, it’s one of the greatest myths in the world.”

You forgot your sarc tag.


40 posted on 09/21/2010 10:34:47 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Just_de_facts
As a federal civilian employee I feel that my compensation is low.

You are free to seek employment elsewhere.

41 posted on 09/21/2010 10:35:32 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Just_de_facts

I hope this helps you to understand Newbie.

***************

I understand. You take the job, then detail the extreme hardships over the internet while tying yourself to the military.

I fully understand.


42 posted on 09/21/2010 10:35:53 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Detente with the GOP nomenklatura - trust, but verify.)
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To: Poundstone

“Some of the Neanderthals here at Free Republic just don’t get it.”

Damn’d rabble!


43 posted on 09/21/2010 10:37:21 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Detente with the GOP nomenklatura - trust, but verify.)
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To: Poundstone
The newspaper’s analysis did not include military pay in its calculation of federal compensation, Kaufman said.

Nobody said that the military was overpaid. In fact they are underpaid.

The GS workers on the other hand are overpaid and under worked. Perhaps we could reverse that and pay the GS workers military salary and pay the military GS compensation.

44 posted on 09/21/2010 10:40:04 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The Doctrine of Nachofication: The belief that everything tastes better with melted cheese.)
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To: Paladin2
Perhaps the good Senator would like to suggest that the Social Security COLA that was withheld from the dirty old Seniors for two years, be replaced. We eat too.
45 posted on 09/21/2010 10:44:59 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Psalm 144

>Deja vu all over again, with the exception of the effort to conflate the military withe Department of Redundancy Department’s document documenters.

Well, the founders never intended there to be a standing army {read active-duty component of the military}; there are some excellent non-political reasons *NOT* to have an active-duty military anyway. For example, standing-armies train to fight yesterday’s war (with yesterday’s tactics) and today’s equipment {unless you’re national guard where it’s yesterday’s equipment}. A good example of this would be the trench-warfare of WWI, America joined in and kicked ass precisely because it didn’t have an active-duty military that was trained in “conventional thinking” and was instead trained to deal with the “current realities” if that war.

So, and I realize that this is contrary to a lot of people on FR’s sentiments, I actually wouldn’t be opposed to a drastic reduction of funds for the military... or even the disbandment of the [federal] Army & Air Force. {The Navy is a slightly different matter, and the marines fall under the Navy; Constitutionally-speaking we could legitimately have an active-duty marine corp and Navy.}


46 posted on 09/21/2010 10:45:17 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Just_de_facts
Hi Pound,
We must get together some time and trade horror stories about the hard life.
47 posted on 09/21/2010 10:50:08 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Just_de_facts
Just-de-facts,
We must get together some time and trade horror stories about the hard life.
48 posted on 09/21/2010 10:50:35 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Just_de_facts

>eating food that some might call unappetizing while working 14 hours a day in heat varying from 104 to 111 degrees.

When I was in Iraq I was lucky enough to have the night-shift, so the heat wasn’t bad; but the catwalks were FREEZING in Dec/Jan around 0200-0400 {I had a Detainee Ops assignment}. I actually found the breakfasts to be quite enjoyable; especially drenching the Hashbrowns with Louisiana hot-sauce.


49 posted on 09/21/2010 10:51:11 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Palter

>You make great pay in the military, it’s one of the greatest myths in the world.

*If* you’re overseas in a warzone! (That is, when the your pay is income-tax exempt.)


50 posted on 09/21/2010 10:56:05 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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