Skip to comments.We can build whatever animal you want to eat, say scientists
Posted on 09/21/2010 11:37:47 AM PDT by Scythian
TINKER with the genetics of salmon and maybe you create a revolutionary new food source that could help the environment and feed the hungry.
Or maybe you're creating what some say is an untested "frankenfish" that could cause unknown allergic reactions and the eventual decimation of the wild salmon population.
The US Food and Drug Administration hears both arguments this week when it begins a two-day meeting on whether to approve the marketing of the genetically engineered fish, which would be the first such animal approved for human consumption.
The agency has already said the salmon, which grows twice as fast as conventional salmon, is as safe to eat as the traditional variety.
Approval of the salmon would open the door for a variety of other genetically engineered animals, including an environmentally friendly pig that is being developed in Canada or cattle that are resistant to mad cow disease.
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What about a turducken? Can they create one of those?
Well if it brings down the price of meat I certainly won’t complain. Blocks of lab cultured meat would certainly help free up cropland.
I guess the fourty year study results are in? How do they claim this? On what basis?
A lot of grazing land isn’t really good for crops, which is why it isn’t being tilled.
Concepts and systems we barely understand, questions we’re not smart enough to ask and to top it off govt employees are going to pass final judgment. LOL, what could possibly go wrong!
The flat earth, Chicken Little are going to start sniveling in 10...9...8...
I want low fat unicorn steaks.
Possibly the best consequence of this stuff would be able to make endangered species at will.
That should reduce some of the burden placed on us by the eco-nazis.
Don’t have to worry about wiping out species (their main argument) if we can just pop ‘em out like Pez.
yeah... but it all tastes like chicken.
Perhaps based on lifetime feeding studies with lab animals.
really? I don’t know much about framing I always thought that grazing land for cattle was about the same as land used to grow wheat and corn.
Considering they feed our beef and even farm raised fish corn it really doesn’t matter, it’s crap food either way ...
I’m plenty happy with the hamburger-cow, rib-eye-cow and the bacon-pig.
Both are now raised on commercial farms with great success and have been for years with no effect on the wild populations. In fact, farm raised catfish and trout both took much of the overfishing problem off the wild populations. There is no reason to suppose it would be any different for salmon, lobster or any other aquatic life.
Currently, chickens have been modified that they go from hatching to skillet in 8-10 weeks.
Even Chicken doesn't taste like chicken anymore.
I want a bread and butter tree ... might as well throw in a cigar shrub as well if I’m dreaming.
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Ever visit large parts of Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and the western Dakotas where livestock grazing thrives but growing wheat and corn would not be commercially viable?
I want a car flipping big slab of brontosaurus ribs.
How about some Unicorn sausage?
Consider, Wild Turkeys are extremely smart and difficult to hunt. They have a keen sense of sight, and many hunters come home with nothing to show for their efforts.
Contrast this to commercially grown turkey; these animals are so stupid that you put marbles in the feed trough to get them to eat. They peck at the marble, and miss and accidentally get a mouth full of food. They are kept indoors because they will look up when it rains and drown themselves.
Yet, these huge commercial birds do not contaminate the wild birds. Essentially these birds are too stupid to survive outside of a commercial farm.
leave the freaking salmon alone, please.
Go engineer something useful. they won't be happy until they got you believing you can get everything you need from a pill.
Wanna save an endangered species? Convince a bunch of folks that they taste good.
I just drove through Montana on Highway 2 and US 94. Montana has never looked so lush and green in the middle of July. Every section of land seemed to be growing nicely with wheat.
I’d like some spotted owl. With whale stuffing.
I’ll have the Endangered Species Kabob grilled over moon rocks please.
I’m not taking a stand on this pro or con. I do find there to be some reasoned questions concerning it though.
Those fish farms generally raised large numbers of traditional fish, perhaps engineering them to be an improved version.
These are a little different, in that they are genetically engineered.
What happens when these fish are introduced into streams across the nation. Let’s be frank. It will happen.
Is it of concern that the original fish may be eradicated by this dominant version? Could other fish be impacted negatively if that happens?
I don’t think this is without any possible negative aspects.
Maybe you know this already. But various segments of land have a cattle/acre rating while others have acres/cow rating. This is primarily dictated by annual rainfall.
In many places (eastern Dakota, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska) the rainfall is sufficient that 0.5-1.2 cattle/acre are possible. However, when the rainfall is this good; it’s usually more profitable to raise grain. However, many farmers opt to diversify both cattle and grain in case to reduce the fiscal risk.
I would love a bacon wrapped turkey...it’s delicious.
Can they make one of those and have it jump onto my smoker?
You don't think a salmon that can grow twice as fast as usual is useful?
IMHO, I believe they opted for Salmon is that the fish is highly prolific, matures fast, is a high protein source and the fish has a wide temperature and salt water tolerance. This fish should grow well all over the world.
May not sound tastey to you; but to a guy starving in Africa - I’m sure it’s better than Rock Soup.
If you want to really free up some prime agricultural land, tear down the suburbs. Most of them sprang up in the farm fields around the towns that formed at railheads, road junctions, and river ports where those crops used to get shipped out.
Hey that'll work. When are they going to start?
Yeah, I thought about that, too. (8^D)
ummm...unhmm....so what? Is cheap seafood somekind of birthright? Most nations have more beaches than we do, and fishing traditions that go back millenia. And, what, we need "create" salmon for them?
You know what? The world has its head up its ass, that what. The "educated" world, that is.
Like North Dakota, Eastern Montana highways follow paths of least resistance--the smoothest track. We've had a lot of rain this year, the grass is green six weeks after it usually turns borwn.
There are vast areas of North Dakota and Montana north of the interstate which are too rocky (glacial moraine) or too steep (badlands topography), or are otherwise unsuitable for farming wheat, but make good grazing land.
Vast BLM owned tracts are grazed as well, but farming is out.
If the land will make a good living for those farming it, it is generally being farmed unless the government has put the skids to that.
Corn, BTW, is a relatively uncommon crop here. Between wind loads and water requirements, it doesn't generally do well outside the river bottoms.
I'm sorry chum, my tolerance for specious arguments is less than zero today.
If there's a guy starving in Africa, it's most like because of some shenanigans his government is playing, not because he can't grow food.
And so if you're implying that somehow an engineered salmon, patented by a corporation and regulated by government is going to solve his problem, I strongly suggest that you are on the wrong website. And in the wrong universe.
It is one thing to work with enhancing existing traits through interbreeding, another to create new traits in a lab. The natural combinations will work or not, but there may be unintended and undesireable consequences of direct genetic manipulation.
My mother-in-law lives in Havre and it is usually brown by July, but not this year. She voted for Obama and claims it is Global Warming that has brought the “monsoons.”
See also Hodar’s post #35. Part of the problem was that you drove on I-94 and US 2. These are, even by Montana standards, excellent roads. They also have nearly parallel railroads which drastically lower the cost of shipping grains. Try going up into the nethermost regions Missouri Breaks or isolated little towns where the roads are poor and there are no railroads. Growing grain in these areas, while it might be possible, is seldom profitable. Yes, a rancher may grow enough grain to help his cattle through the winter, but many of the few towns you see won’t even have grain elevators. Why do you suppose that is?