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We can build whatever animal you want to eat, say scientists
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Posted on 09/21/2010 11:37:47 AM PDT by Scythian



TINKER with the genetics of salmon and maybe you create a revolutionary new food source that could help the environment and feed the hungry.

Or maybe you're creating what some say is an untested "frankenfish" that could cause unknown allergic reactions and the eventual decimation of the wild salmon population.

The US Food and Drug Administration hears both arguments this week when it begins a two-day meeting on whether to approve the marketing of the genetically engineered fish, which would be the first such animal approved for human consumption.

The agency has already said the salmon, which grows twice as fast as conventional salmon, is as safe to eat as the traditional variety.

Approval of the salmon would open the door for a variety of other genetically engineered animals, including an environmentally friendly pig that is being developed in Canada or cattle that are resistant to mad cow disease.

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KEYWORDS: animal; delicious; gmo; meat; salmon; tasty
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1 posted on 09/21/2010 11:37:48 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

What about a turducken? Can they create one of those?


2 posted on 09/21/2010 11:39:55 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: Scythian

Well if it brings down the price of meat I certainly won’t complain. Blocks of lab cultured meat would certainly help free up cropland.


3 posted on 09/21/2010 11:41:15 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Scythian
The agency has already said the salmon, which grows twice as fast as conventional salmon, is as safe to eat as the traditional variety.

I guess the fourty year study results are in? How do they claim this? On what basis?

4 posted on 09/21/2010 11:41:30 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: utherdoul

A lot of grazing land isn’t really good for crops, which is why it isn’t being tilled.


5 posted on 09/21/2010 11:42:34 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Scythian

Concepts and systems we barely understand, questions we’re not smart enough to ask and to top it off govt employees are going to pass final judgment. LOL, what could possibly go wrong!


6 posted on 09/21/2010 11:42:47 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Scythian

The flat earth, Chicken Little are going to start sniveling in 10...9...8...


7 posted on 09/21/2010 11:42:49 AM PDT by mongo141
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To: Scythian; JoeProBono; Slings and Arrows

I want low fat unicorn steaks.


8 posted on 09/21/2010 11:43:26 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Scythian

Possibly the best consequence of this stuff would be able to make endangered species at will.

That should reduce some of the burden placed on us by the eco-nazis.

Don’t have to worry about wiping out species (their main argument) if we can just pop ‘em out like Pez.


9 posted on 09/21/2010 11:44:16 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Scythian

yeah... but it all tastes like chicken.


10 posted on 09/21/2010 11:44:46 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Perhaps based on lifetime feeding studies with lab animals.


11 posted on 09/21/2010 11:45:19 AM PDT by freespirited (This tagline dedicated to the memory of John Armor, a/k/a Congressman Billybob.)
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To: Scythian
Give the pig a couple of extra stomachs and teach it to chew its cud.... presto! kosher pork.
12 posted on 09/21/2010 11:45:25 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: fruser1
Possibly the best consequence of this stuff would be able to make endangered species at will.

I think we should call them on their bluff and request Wooly Mammoth Stakes
13 posted on 09/21/2010 11:46:41 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Smokin' Joe

really? I don’t know much about framing I always thought that grazing land for cattle was about the same as land used to grow wheat and corn.


14 posted on 09/21/2010 11:48:06 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: utherdoul

Considering they feed our beef and even farm raised fish corn it really doesn’t matter, it’s crap food either way ...


15 posted on 09/21/2010 11:49:23 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

I’m plenty happy with the hamburger-cow, rib-eye-cow and the bacon-pig.


16 posted on 09/21/2010 11:50:33 AM PDT by avacado
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To: mongo141
The Frankenfish sniveling is total bunk. Before farm-grown catfish, all catfish were caught from public rivers and streams. Catfish farms were such a roaring success that trout farms soon followed.

Both are now raised on commercial farms with great success and have been for years with no effect on the wild populations. In fact, farm raised catfish and trout both took much of the overfishing problem off the wild populations. There is no reason to suppose it would be any different for salmon, lobster or any other aquatic life.

17 posted on 09/21/2010 11:50:33 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Scythian
I want a tomato plant that yields lightly-marbled beef sirloin tomatoes.
18 posted on 09/21/2010 11:51:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: Ramius
yeah... but it all tastes like chicken.

Currently, chickens have been modified that they go from hatching to skillet in 8-10 weeks.

Even Chicken doesn't taste like chicken anymore.

19 posted on 09/21/2010 11:52:23 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I want a bread and butter tree ... might as well throw in a cigar shrub as well if I’m dreaming.


20 posted on 09/21/2010 11:53:39 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: utherdoul
I don’t know much about framing

Framing, in construction known as light-frame construction,
is a building technique based around structural members,
usually called studs, which provide a stable frame
to which interior and exterior wall coverings are attached,
and covered by a roof comprising horizontal ceiling
joists and sloping rafters (together forming a truss
structure) or manufactured pre-fabricated roof trusses—all
of which are covered by various sheathing materials to give weather resistance.

21 posted on 09/21/2010 11:53:45 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: utherdoul
I always thought that grazing land for cattle was about the same as land used to grow wheat and corn.

Ever visit large parts of Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and the western Dakotas where livestock grazing thrives but growing wheat and corn would not be commercially viable?

22 posted on 09/21/2010 11:53:59 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Scythian
Y'all know where this is really heading ...


23 posted on 09/21/2010 11:54:01 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Scythian
I think we should call them on their bluff and request Wooly Mammoth Stakes

I want a car flipping big slab of brontosaurus ribs.


24 posted on 09/21/2010 11:54:44 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

25 posted on 09/21/2010 11:55:17 AM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: Scythian
Pepper grilled Manticore. Yum...

How about some Unicorn sausage?

26 posted on 09/21/2010 11:55:49 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: Vigilanteman

Good point.

Consider, Wild Turkeys are extremely smart and difficult to hunt. They have a keen sense of sight, and many hunters come home with nothing to show for their efforts.

Contrast this to commercially grown turkey; these animals are so stupid that you put marbles in the feed trough to get them to eat. They peck at the marble, and miss and accidentally get a mouth full of food. They are kept indoors because they will look up when it rains and drown themselves.

Yet, these huge commercial birds do not contaminate the wild birds. Essentially these birds are too stupid to survive outside of a commercial farm.


27 posted on 09/21/2010 11:55:59 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Scythian
something about this really turns me off.

leave the freaking salmon alone, please.

Go engineer something useful. they won't be happy until they got you believing you can get everything you need from a pill.

28 posted on 09/21/2010 11:56:10 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Vigilanteman

Wanna save an endangered species? Convince a bunch of folks that they taste good.


29 posted on 09/21/2010 11:57:00 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: Scythian

30 posted on 09/21/2010 12:00:03 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: Vigilanteman
Ever visit large parts of Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and the western Dakotas where livestock grazing thrives but growing wheat and corn would not be commercially viable?

I just drove through Montana on Highway 2 and US 94. Montana has never looked so lush and green in the middle of July. Every section of land seemed to be growing nicely with wheat.

31 posted on 09/21/2010 12:00:30 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Scythian

I’d like some spotted owl. With whale stuffing.


32 posted on 09/21/2010 12:03:17 PM PDT by Notary Sojac
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To: Scythian

I’ll have the Endangered Species Kabob grilled over moon rocks please.


33 posted on 09/21/2010 12:03:32 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

I’m not taking a stand on this pro or con. I do find there to be some reasoned questions concerning it though.

Those fish farms generally raised large numbers of traditional fish, perhaps engineering them to be an improved version.

These are a little different, in that they are genetically engineered.

What happens when these fish are introduced into streams across the nation. Let’s be frank. It will happen.

Is it of concern that the original fish may be eradicated by this dominant version? Could other fish be impacted negatively if that happens?

I don’t think this is without any possible negative aspects.


34 posted on 09/21/2010 12:04:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (All hail Prince Skid-mark, Barack Hussein Obama, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Maybe you know this already. But various segments of land have a cattle/acre rating while others have acres/cow rating. This is primarily dictated by annual rainfall.

In many places (eastern Dakota, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska) the rainfall is sufficient that 0.5-1.2 cattle/acre are possible. However, when the rainfall is this good; it’s usually more profitable to raise grain. However, many farmers opt to diversify both cattle and grain in case to reduce the fiscal risk.


35 posted on 09/21/2010 12:04:49 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: avacado

I would love a bacon wrapped turkey...it’s delicious.

Can they make one of those and have it jump onto my smoker?


36 posted on 09/21/2010 12:05:53 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Go engineer something useful.

You don't think a salmon that can grow twice as fast as usual is useful?

37 posted on 09/21/2010 12:07:48 PM PDT by toast
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To: the invisib1e hand

IMHO, I believe they opted for Salmon is that the fish is highly prolific, matures fast, is a high protein source and the fish has a wide temperature and salt water tolerance. This fish should grow well all over the world.

May not sound tastey to you; but to a guy starving in Africa - I’m sure it’s better than Rock Soup.


38 posted on 09/21/2010 12:10:50 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: the invisib1e hand
leave the freaking salmon alone, please.

Why the salmon in particular? We certainly haven't left the cattle, pigs or poultry alone - they've been genetically modified by us using artificial selection through all of man's recorded history.

Go engineer something useful.

This is useful. It could make cheap seafood and meat easily available to every person in the world eventually. Farming of genetically modified salmon would also mean an end to overfishing of wild salmon.
39 posted on 09/21/2010 12:11:28 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: utherdoul
Often steeper terrain and/or rockier soil, at least in these parts. You can grow grass in the cracks in a sidewalk, not so corn.

If you want to really free up some prime agricultural land, tear down the suburbs. Most of them sprang up in the farm fields around the towns that formed at railheads, road junctions, and river ports where those crops used to get shipped out.

40 posted on 09/21/2010 12:12:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: freespirited
Perhaps based on lifetime feeding studies with lab animals.

Hey that'll work. When are they going to start?

41 posted on 09/21/2010 12:14:34 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: humblegunner

Yeah, I thought about that, too. (8^D)


42 posted on 09/21/2010 12:16:28 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
This is useful. It could make cheap seafood and meat easily available to every person in the world eventually. Farming of genetically modified salmon would also mean an end to overfishing of wild salmon.

ummm...unhmm....so what? Is cheap seafood somekind of birthright? Most nations have more beaches than we do, and fishing traditions that go back millenia. And, what, we need "create" salmon for them?

You know what? The world has its head up its ass, that what. The "educated" world, that is.

43 posted on 09/21/2010 12:23:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Sawdring
I just drove through Montana on Highway 2 and US 94. Montana has never looked so lush and green in the middle of July. Every section of land seemed to be growing nicely with wheat.

Like North Dakota, Eastern Montana highways follow paths of least resistance--the smoothest track. We've had a lot of rain this year, the grass is green six weeks after it usually turns borwn.

There are vast areas of North Dakota and Montana north of the interstate which are too rocky (glacial moraine) or too steep (badlands topography), or are otherwise unsuitable for farming wheat, but make good grazing land.

Vast BLM owned tracts are grazed as well, but farming is out.

If the land will make a good living for those farming it, it is generally being farmed unless the government has put the skids to that.

Corn, BTW, is a relatively uncommon crop here. Between wind loads and water requirements, it doesn't generally do well outside the river bottoms.

44 posted on 09/21/2010 12:24:00 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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May not sound tastey to you; but to a guy starving in Africa - I’m sure it’s better than Rock Soup.

I'm sorry chum, my tolerance for specious arguments is less than zero today.

If there's a guy starving in Africa, it's most like because of some shenanigans his government is playing, not because he can't grow food.

And so if you're implying that somehow an engineered salmon, patented by a corporation and regulated by government is going to solve his problem, I strongly suggest that you are on the wrong website. And in the wrong universe.

45 posted on 09/21/2010 12:27:04 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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46 posted on 09/21/2010 12:27:27 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
...they've been genetically modified by us using artificial selection through all of man's recorded history.

It is one thing to work with enhancing existing traits through interbreeding, another to create new traits in a lab. The natural combinations will work or not, but there may be unintended and undesireable consequences of direct genetic manipulation.

47 posted on 09/21/2010 12:28:12 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

My mother-in-law lives in Havre and it is usually brown by July, but not this year. She voted for Obama and claims it is Global Warming that has brought the “monsoons.”


48 posted on 09/21/2010 12:31:28 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring; Hodar

See also Hodar’s post #35. Part of the problem was that you drove on I-94 and US 2. These are, even by Montana standards, excellent roads. They also have nearly parallel railroads which drastically lower the cost of shipping grains. Try going up into the nethermost regions Missouri Breaks or isolated little towns where the roads are poor and there are no railroads. Growing grain in these areas, while it might be possible, is seldom profitable. Yes, a rancher may grow enough grain to help his cattle through the winter, but many of the few towns you see won’t even have grain elevators. Why do you suppose that is?


49 posted on 09/21/2010 12:32:08 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Scythian
I'm not even going to touch that title.

No way.

50 posted on 09/21/2010 12:32:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate IS the fifth column.)
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