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Idaho county declares disaster over wolves
ap ^ | September 18, 2010 | JESSIE L. BONNER and JOHN MILLER

Posted on 09/21/2010 8:26:38 PM PDT by george76

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1 posted on 09/21/2010 8:26:40 PM PDT by george76
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To: jazusamo; GladesGuru; proud_yank; LucyT

the Canadian Grey Wolf, a super sized predator hunting in super sized packs that evolved to chase caribou herds for hundreds of miles.

http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/2005/articles02/truth_about_those_canadian_wolf.htm


2 posted on 09/21/2010 8:30:46 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Good. Wolves are a menace if their numbers are not monitored and controlled.


3 posted on 09/21/2010 8:30:58 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Pablo is very wily)
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To: george76

they are thick and need to be thinned out. Farmer’s and Rancher’s need to protect their livestock. These enviromentalist don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.


4 posted on 09/21/2010 8:32:16 PM PDT by watchdogmom
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To: Celtic Cross
Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up.
5 posted on 09/21/2010 8:32:46 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: GOP_Raider; Myrddin; Troublemaker; SJackson; Jeff Head

A disaster emergency, as defined in Section 46-1002 (3) and (4), Idaho Code, is in existence as a result of the 1995-96 introduction of the Canadian Gray Wolves, causing vast devastation of the social culture, economy and natural resources of Idaho County.

http://www.idahocounty.org/


6 posted on 09/21/2010 8:34:05 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Little red riding hood is at code red


7 posted on 09/21/2010 8:34:43 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: rickomatic

Ahh,the 3 S’s


8 posted on 09/21/2010 8:35:59 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: george76

Where’s that lady that shoots them from a chopper????


9 posted on 09/21/2010 8:37:09 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Give Kids An Education, Take Them Out Of Government Schools" - and I'm still Molly Norris")
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To: george76

There is a reason they were hunted to near extinction.

To bad we cant turn them loose on liberals alone.


10 posted on 09/21/2010 8:37:18 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: SkyDancer

What is wrong with making wolves extinct in the wild? They serve no modern purpose, the only thing they do is thin the herds of animals that man likes to hunt, nurture or grow into steaks. Evolution demands that we as the top predator in the world, hunt them until gone.


11 posted on 09/21/2010 8:39:29 PM PDT by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: george76

We just spend a month in Idaho. The folks there are incensed at the situation. One Canadian gray wolf kills and eats 40 ungulates (hoofed animals) per year and kills another 40 just for the sport of it. The are decimating the elk, antelope and deer herds and also endangering moose. It’s getting to a crisis stage.


12 posted on 09/21/2010 8:39:50 PM PDT by randita (Visit keyhouseraces.com to find GOP House candidates who need your support to knock off a DEM.)
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To: george76

8 mexican grey wovles were introduced into SE AZ by liberal hand wringers.

Within 6 months all had been killed for attacks on people or pets or livestock.


13 posted on 09/21/2010 8:40:40 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Carry_Okie; girlangler; rellimpank; familyop; editor-surveyor; SierraWasp; Seadog Bytes; ...

Federal implementation of wolf introduction has violated the Endangered Species act (ESA) on virtually every count. Dr. Richard Mitchell, PhD., one of the original authors of the ESA, traveled from Washington, D.C., on January 11, 2000, to testify in Billings [Montana] at the Predator Management Symposium.

Dr. Mitchell stated to an audience of several hundred, including Sen. Conrad Burns, that it was a violation of the ESA to dump the Canadian Grey wolf on top of the Rocky Mountain wolf.


14 posted on 09/21/2010 8:41:03 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: randita

They kill for fun?!!!

I thought they were noble spiritual critters communing with Indian princesses


15 posted on 09/21/2010 8:43:34 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: george76

The entire state should declare itself a wolf disaster area. Last year, in my area of the state, it was the worst elk hunting season that anyone can remember. The so-called experts do not have a clue what the wolf population is.


16 posted on 09/21/2010 8:47:07 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse ("It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged." - G.K. Chesterton, 1921)
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To: george76

Good Lord! Do these people even hear what they say?


17 posted on 09/21/2010 8:47:17 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: george76

But, but...they’re so pretty.


18 posted on 09/21/2010 8:51:56 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: mylife

The wolves also easily out breed the elk, so the wolf population is exploding.


19 posted on 09/21/2010 9:02:49 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
We shouldn't shoot them.

Capture them and turn them loose in DC!

20 posted on 09/21/2010 9:02:49 PM PDT by sjmjax
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To: george76
As a former resident of Idaho county and a current resident of Idaho I am totally against the reintroduction of the wolves.

If the nation thinks this is so important than we need to start putting other animals back to their original habitat.

Just read Lewis and Clark's journals and put the elk and grizzlies back on the plains near St Louis where they were. Then maybe the American people would wake up.

21 posted on 09/21/2010 9:06:26 PM PDT by born2bfree
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To: george76

Livestock I can understand, but wildlife? What the hell are the wolves supposed to eat? Tofu?


22 posted on 09/21/2010 9:12:52 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Cuttnhorse

“The entire state should declare itself a wolf disaster area. Last year, in my area of the state, it was the worst elk hunting season that anyone can remember. The so-called experts do not have a clue what the wolf population is.”

Regretfully, I must tell you those bureau-scientists DO know what the wolf population is, the damage their wolves are inflicting on the prey base, and the source of their funding.

The “source of their funding” is the critical clause. Bureau-scientists are AgencyPersons first and scientists second. As AgencyPersons, they live by the core rule of all AgencyPersons in all bureaucracies.

That core belief of the NatureNazi in that Department of Wildlife uniform is: “AGENDA UBER ALLES!”


23 posted on 09/21/2010 9:19:06 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: born2bfree
"put the elk and grizzlies back on the plains near St Louis"

Actually, they are in the planning stages to re-introduce elk not far from St. Louis. Missouri will soon decide whether to reintroduce elk

24 posted on 09/21/2010 9:20:55 PM PDT by buschbaby (Beware! Momma Bear on the prowl. Grrrr)
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To: born2bfree

Help put a mama griz in Washington,2012!


25 posted on 09/21/2010 9:23:34 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: george76

Wolves are impressive and beautiful animals, but there’s no excuse for allowing them anywhere near populated areas. If we need population control for small animals, there are predators for that which are non a threat to humans, and if we need population control for large animals, nobody does it better than humans with firearms.

I’m more than happy to go to a zoo or predator refuge if I want to be mystified by the majesty of the wolf.


26 posted on 09/21/2010 9:27:49 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: rickomatic

shoot shovel and shut up

Yep- livestock is the rancher’s living.


27 posted on 09/21/2010 9:39:09 PM PDT by handmade
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To: sjmjax
We shouldn't shoot them. Capture them and turn them loose in DC!

Great minds think alike!

28 posted on 09/21/2010 9:47:31 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: george76

How’s this for a small-scale version of this kind of “predator introduction”: In NYC some city EPA officials decided to introduce possums to control the rat population (four legged). Now part of the city is being overrun by possums and the rat problem continues unabated.
This is the problem with bureaucrats calling the shots! They only know that the gray wolf is Canis Lupus! They can’t distinguish between a Canadian Gray, a Mexican Gray or a Western Gray Wolf. They have no concept (or refuse to accept) that the difference can be, on a predatory scale, as great as that between a Pekingese and a Rottweiler. And the ranchers are left to clean up the mess and get stuck with the bill as well!


29 posted on 09/21/2010 9:49:12 PM PDT by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: george76
... an ongoing disaster that will allow wolves to be shot on sight ...

That's just a ruse to keep the Wolf in Chief away ... cause,
as they say in trailer parks everywhere ...

Where lead's a flowin',
This pervert ain't goin'


30 posted on 09/21/2010 9:55:26 PM PDT by Zakeet (Like the wise Wee Wee said, "We can't be broke ... we still have checks in the checkbook.")
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To: buschbaby

“Actually, they are in the planning stages to re-introduce elk not far from St. Louis. Missouri will soon decide whether to reintroduce elk”

Sounds like it is the state making the decision. More power to them if that is what the folks of Missouri want.


31 posted on 09/21/2010 9:57:29 PM PDT by born2bfree
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To: randita

I didn’t bother to purchase a hunting
license last year or this year. There are
many very experienced hunters in town
with all the “toys”. They have been coming
home empty handed. My company has
me on an extended trip to San Diego so
I couldn’t take advantage of a license
anyway.


32 posted on 09/21/2010 10:43:23 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: george76

It might not be related, but my wife says
there have been more mountain lions
around town lately. Perhaps the wolves
have eaten so much that they are looking
for food in city areas.


33 posted on 09/21/2010 10:46:18 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Also mountain lions fear wolf packs...with good reason


34 posted on 09/21/2010 10:51:06 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
the Canadian Grey Wolf, a super sized predator hunting in super sized packs that evolved to chase caribou herds for hundreds of miles.

Inasmuch as I am predisposed to reducing the bulk of these predators to fur coats, genetically, this belief that the wolves introduced into Yellowstone are genetically foreign is a myth; they are the same species. Wolves can double or halve in size in but five generations depending upon environmental conditions, particularly the abundance and quality of food. I have greater objections to the fact that the introduced wolves were carrying hydatid cysts from Echinococcosis granulosus tapeworms (despite agency promises to the contrary) than to their size relative to existing timber wolf packs hundreds of miles away. The reason the packs are large is that up until recently, food has been plentiful. When that is gone and they resort to cannibalism, things will change.

One way or another, large numbers of them need to be hunted down now, if not eradicated until the E. granulosus eggs are gone, which could take 25 years or more. THAT introduction is the real environmental disaster associated with this program.

As to your source, I would take everything Julie Smithson republishes with a serious grain of salt. She is diligent, but totally unqualified to evaluate the integrity of technical research. Stick with guys like George Dovel and Charles Kay.

35 posted on 09/21/2010 10:58:24 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: george76
The wolves also easily out breed the elk, so the wolf population is exploding.

The problem then seems to be genetics. With our modern science and genetics we just need to breed elk that hunt and have a taste for wolf. Can you imagine a herd of ravenous elk with sharp teeth and their very pointy antlers?

Anyone see those Atlantic Salmon. Larger (about 3 times as big) and hungrier than the native salmon. Picture elk with the same effect.

The wolves wouldn't stand a chance. It would be a massacre for the wolves. Yes nature at it's modified best. Just picture the videos on You Tube...
36 posted on 09/21/2010 11:12:05 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Cuttnhorse

I was working at a site near Salmon, Idaho - about 1994?. They had recently introduced just two wolves I think into the area. It wasn’t too long afterwards that a wolve was found nailed to a telephone pole with a sign that said “Ranchers 1, Wolves 0”.

Amazing how that has changed in just 16 years.


37 posted on 09/21/2010 11:25:37 PM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Thank you.

I will look up George Dovel and Charles Kay.


38 posted on 09/21/2010 11:26:19 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The link in the post I gave you is to one of Dovel’s articles. It is excellent.


39 posted on 09/21/2010 11:33:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: 21twelve

Did they run out of nails? Sounds like
time to restock.


40 posted on 09/21/2010 11:42:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: george76

Can we do the same thing with Democrats?


41 posted on 09/22/2010 2:59:29 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Myrddin

When long necked prey like deer are predated into scarcity, count on cougar turning to livestock, pets, and people.

I do hope your wife is always armed, and hopefully never alone.


42 posted on 09/22/2010 6:03:00 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Carry_Okie

Hmmmn - Could we infer from your post’s mention of hydatid disease that Democrap Syndrome (DS)is a result of a hyperparasite infecting a human host which is not evolutionarily adapted to CNS infections?

If so, this might offer a cure for DS. Imagine a world where a dose of an antihelminthic would turn urban social parasites back into productive humans.

;-)


43 posted on 09/22/2010 6:21:12 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru
We have had mountain lions in town (Pocatello/Chubbuck) intermittently over the last 10 years. Sometimes they go "hunting" down the canals that are routed between backyards. That gives them easy access to the yards and pets. The most recent case in Chubbuck involved a mountain lion under the porch of a home near Reservation Rd and Yellowstone Ave. Animal control managed to remove it. We often have moose, elk and deer walking around town, so there is "wild" food available in addition to pets and people. Some livestock too as there are still farms with cows, sheep and horses scattered around town.

My wife isn't always armed, but she has the option to do so. She works as a police dispatcher, so often has armed officers very nearby.

44 posted on 09/22/2010 9:17:41 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

“When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.”


45 posted on 09/22/2010 9:54:19 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: george76

It looks to me like if the states with real wolf problems don’t start getting cooperation from the federal judicial system and the enviro nutjobs the states are going to act on their own.

I wouldn’t blame them a bit and in fact hope it comes to pass. The feds and enviro’s are not the ones suffering from the crazy reintroduction of these killing machines.


46 posted on 09/22/2010 10:35:32 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

The lawyers and eco-nuts make millions $$$ from lawsuits against the feds.

The feds easily roll over ... giving away our tax money.


47 posted on 09/22/2010 10:42:37 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The elitists ALWAYS know better than the people who 'only' live there...

       


48 posted on 09/22/2010 3:27:49 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Smart Growth"... isn't.)
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To: ForGod'sSake; george76
States rights issue...?
(...Thanks to George76)
49 posted on 09/22/2010 3:56:03 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Smart Growth"... isn't.)
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To: Seadog Bytes

States rights ?

I believe yes and other issues


50 posted on 09/22/2010 6:03:23 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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