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Law would crack down on roaring motorcycles (Another reason to hate California)
MSNBC ^ | 21 September 2010 | ALEJANDRA MOLINA

Posted on 09/22/2010 12:56:11 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood

"As the popularity of motorcycles increases, loud pipes become offensive to the general public out there," Scott added.

The roaring motorcycles -- primarily Harleys -- have led to a bill that would target motorcyclists who remove factory-installed emission control devices mandated by the federal government and replace them with custom, aftermarket parts that often make their bikes louder and more polluting.

SB 435 had been approved by the state legislature and now is sitting on the Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's desk. The Harley-riding governor has until Sept. 30 to sign the bill into law or veto it.

If the governor puts his stamp of approval on the measure, motorcyclists would be required to post a visible, unaltered Environment Protection Agency stamp to confirm the exhaust system is clean burning and does not exceed 80 decibels -- about the same noise level as a vacuum cleaner. The stamp would only be required for motorcycles and aftermarket parts made after 2013.

"The noise caused by illegally modified motorcycle exhaust systems is a major quality of life issue across the state," said state Sen. Fran Pavley, a Democrat from Agoura Hills. "Basic common sense and decency dictates that when a motorcycle drives by and sets off every car alarm on the street, that is too loud

First-time offenders would be fined up to $100; tickets could be voided if the owners bring their bikes back into compliance. Subsequent infractions would be subject to fines of $100 to $250.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; harleydavidson
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Why would any freedom loving American live in this police state? - TD ('08 HD Softail Nightrain rider)
1 posted on 09/22/2010 12:56:14 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: martin_fierro

MH ping!


2 posted on 09/22/2010 12:57:43 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Terrence DoGood

You think you should be allowed to make as much noise as you like?

Hell no.


3 posted on 09/22/2010 12:58:41 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB
“You think you should be allowed to make as much noise as you like?”

All the Libs like Code Pink and every other Commie Punk organization out of Berkley thinks so. If I hear the sound of a Harley coming down the street, I hear sanity!

4 posted on 09/22/2010 1:06:26 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: poobear

thinks = think

-!


5 posted on 09/22/2010 1:07:41 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Terrence DoGood

I’m amazed at the sound levels some bikers get away with. Pretty sure that any car making that much noise would be pulled over and ticketed.

I still remember a group of yuppie bikers revving their fancy bikes in a national park. Obnoxious as hell!


6 posted on 09/22/2010 1:11:26 AM PDT by utax
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To: Terrence DoGood

If you thought soccer moms didn’t look out for motorcycles now, just wait.


7 posted on 09/22/2010 1:12:03 AM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (I'm just another disabled naturalized minority vegan pro life conservative.)
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To: Terrence DoGood
I disagree.

79 db's NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8 posted on 09/22/2010 1:14:00 AM PDT by shadowcat
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To: Terrence DoGood

You know.

It sometimes seems that liberalism is at its simplest, nothing more than an ideological hostility, to testosterone.


9 posted on 09/22/2010 1:14:12 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (GOP establishment are dinosaurs. Tea Party is a great big asteroid...)
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To: DB

Excuse me, “allowed”? You’re gonna really think we’re neanderthals because we don;t even have to wear helmets here. Thank the good lord above the freedom loving people of South Carolina get the final say on this kind of thing, not some RINO jackass in a Governor’s Mansion or a handfull of limp-wristed, birkenstock wearing, latte sipping sissies.


10 posted on 09/22/2010 1:24:20 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: Terrence DoGood

It’s not the pipes the SOBs object to. It’s the men on the bikes. Too manly. Too rough. Not fagotty enough, sissy enough, liberal enough, or scared of their own shadows. Libs aren’t going to be happy until half the women are butch and all the men are faggots. It’s easy to see which way we’re going. Look for them eventually to outlaw urinals, and peeing while standing.


11 posted on 09/22/2010 1:30:23 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: Terrence DoGood

Yes allowed.

I don’t care if you wear a helmet or not - as long as you don’t hold me responsible when you break your head.

You do not have the right to intrude on others lives with loud noise at all hours of the day. Your rights don’t come at the expense of others.


12 posted on 09/22/2010 1:35:03 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB

I’m with you! Kids in Japan do the same thing, ripping off their carefully designed pipes and blasting away at mega-decibels at all hours of the night in total inconsideration of other people.

Freedom to ride, by all means! Freedom to make a nuisance of yourself and act like a frigging jerk, hell no!


13 posted on 09/22/2010 1:39:53 AM PDT by Ronin (If it were not so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: DB

Is it any different than gangsta’s riding around with loud music?


14 posted on 09/22/2010 1:39:53 AM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: LibWhacker

I live in Charleston, SC and it’s an absolutely beautiful city. Great restaurants, bars, shops, etc and I enjoy all the city has to offer.

That being said, when I’m on my Harley and I ride through the city, I can see a difference in the looks I get as opposed to when I’m just walking around. It’s as if being a on bike (and my Harley is kinda loud), wearing old blue jeans, boots, and a garage workshirt, makes me some kind of freak.

To make it worse is seeing today’s liberal version of men; prancing around in those skin-tight jeans, their little scarves and Justin Beiber haircuts, it just makes me laugh and shake my head.


15 posted on 09/22/2010 1:39:56 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: LibWhacker
Bikes bah, try stone trucks hitting their jake brakes 100 feet from your living room window, now that's a real man's noise.
16 posted on 09/22/2010 1:45:45 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: DB

Many motorcyclists intentionally modify the exhaust as a safety precaution. The loud noise informs cars if their presence, since most cars do not see motorcycles.


17 posted on 09/22/2010 1:48:55 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: Ronin

You beat me to it... I was going to say something similar about “bosozoku” .. very annoying..

Bikk


18 posted on 09/22/2010 1:49:25 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: DB

Thats the difference between liberals and conservatives, a conservative never whines about something that he/she is responsible for. How does my loud pipes intrude? I say roll up your damn window and deal with it.

This kind of law doesn’t surpeise me, afterall its California-stan. A state so screwed financially they “hold Americans responsible” for paying college tuition for illegals. Citizens there started losing basic freedoms so long ago, they don’t even recognize it when what little they have is being erased. But thats why I’d never live there.

Here in South Carolina, we’d tell people like you where you can stick that law and that would basically settle that.


19 posted on 09/22/2010 1:49:50 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: Terrence DoGood

Unnecessary law...just enforce existing law...aftermarket pipes/headers are already regulated by CARB and the California Vehicle Code:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd12c5a2_5.htm

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/motorcycle1/motorcycle1.htm#Q1

Problem is that nobody is writing tickets for violations of existing law...so the pressure for additional law rises.


20 posted on 09/22/2010 1:55:18 AM PDT by Drago
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To: this_ol_patriot
Bikes bah, try stone trucks hitting their jake brakes 100 feet from your living room window, now that's a real man's noise.

What's up with the jakes in the cities, anyway?

Amateur truck drivers, bah!

21 posted on 09/22/2010 2:04:15 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: zeebee
Many motorcyclists intentionally modify the exhaust as a safety precaution.

Oh come on.

This is FR. Don't be insulting.

We've all heard that excuse; we all know it's BS.

Bikers like loud exhaust because it's the audio equivalent of giving the world the finger.

It's annoying, rude, selfish and juvenile. Yes it violates the rights of others just like any other disturbance of the peace does.

Some motorcyclists have actually matured beyond 16 years old and think of others.

Grow up and use a muffler. Some people have sleeping children, jerks.

(Yes, that goes for your 20-ft-tall, 140 dB pickup too, junior)

Personally, I wish all of them were sentenced to Guantanamo sleep deprivation treatments for a month or so. (Quit whining and deal with it, wimp. That goes for your 4-year-old too.)

22 posted on 09/22/2010 2:17:24 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Bikkuri

One of my best drinking buddies a few years back was a Honda engineer who worked on exhaust systems. When he was drunk, he would go completely ballistic at the sight of a bosozoku.

He and his coworkers spent millions of yen and uncounted manhours designing exhaust systems that were absolute marvels of cleanliness, efficiency and noise minimization — only to see their hard work destroyed so callously by these cretins.

It was hard not to feel his pain. Especially when you live next to a major inner-city road.


23 posted on 09/22/2010 2:37:55 AM PDT by Ronin (If it were not so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: poobear
If I hear the sound of a Harley coming down the street, I hear sanity!

Could it be that you are a little deaf?

24 posted on 09/22/2010 2:40:02 AM PDT by Misterioso (Burning The Koran is a victimless crime.)
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To: Terrence DoGood

Girly Gov’s last hurrah!


25 posted on 09/22/2010 2:47:47 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Terrence DoGood

TD:

Talking to these folks about Harleys and people who ride them is a lot like trying to explain a conservative point of view to a liberal, or justify owning an American Pit Bull Terrier to most on FR, if you have to explain it, they are not going to understand anyway.

Keep the shiny side up.

Rearden, ‘20 Road King and 1966 FLH Elctra Glide rider and proud pit bull owner, lol


26 posted on 09/22/2010 2:50:48 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: Rearden

sorry, should be ‘02 Road King, lol


27 posted on 09/22/2010 2:52:04 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: Rearden

Roger that!


28 posted on 09/22/2010 2:56:00 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: Misterioso

I’ll bet your a person who checks to see if everyone’s hose is perfectly rolled up and that recyclables are positioned squarely on the curb.


29 posted on 09/22/2010 3:09:52 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: DB

Don’t most locales have sound ordinances? Why is a State law needed


30 posted on 09/22/2010 3:16:09 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: LibWhacker

If you ever had a neighbor that did this to his bike and came home late at night often you would be for it too.


31 posted on 09/22/2010 3:18:31 AM PDT by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: utax
Pretty sure that any car making that much noise would be pulled over

Here in Florida and in other states having traveled allot on my Harley I have noticed many small cars with very large mufflers tail pipes make more noise than any motorcycle could possibly make and never seen one pulled over because of it, the ones complaining about motorcycle noise get a life the noise is only there for about 5 seconds till out of range by your driving or the bike moving away.Police and ambulance sirens make more noise than they do.

32 posted on 09/22/2010 3:20:39 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied pelicans died)
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To: utax
Pretty sure that any car making that much noise would be pulled over and ticketed.

We have cars in my area that are as loud as any motorcycle, mostly Japanese sports coups set up for illegal road racing - like in the “Fast and Furious” movies.

33 posted on 09/22/2010 3:24:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Terrence DoGood

You feel more ‘manly’ by riding your HD amongst the hordes and being obnoxiously loud? How fecking more insecure could you possibly get?


34 posted on 09/22/2010 3:30:41 AM PDT by jla
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To: bikerman

Any cars as loud as those obnoxious bikes should be pulled over and ticketed. Sounds like the cops in your area aren’t doing their job.

Some cars (and trucks) are indeed loud but I rarely hear a car exhaust that’s as loud as an obnoxious bike.


35 posted on 09/22/2010 3:32:55 AM PDT by utax
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To: poobear
Ooooh! And I thought my post was clever.
36 posted on 09/22/2010 3:33:01 AM PDT by Misterioso (Burning The Koran is a victimless crime.)
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To: Terrence DoGood

Horrible law. I gave up my motorcycle long ago after a minor accident. But . . . I took some of the baffles out of the muffler for safety reasons. Cars hear you even if they can’t see you.


37 posted on 09/22/2010 3:38:14 AM PDT by November 2010
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To: Terrence DoGood

Yesterday I was using a plastic gas can to fill up a dirtbike.
Because some dumbass from the gub mint mandated that cans can have NO breather hole like they use to it takes forever.
This is the kind of crap the gubmint has NO business getting in to.
Get the gub mint off our backs and out of our walletts.


38 posted on 09/22/2010 3:39:53 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Less gubmint is best gubmint.)
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To: Terrence DoGood

One more thing Terrence, 2002 H.D. Electraglide here.


39 posted on 09/22/2010 3:40:38 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Less gubmint is best gubmint.)
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To: LibWhacker

I think that has a lot to do with it, and it’s been going on for a long time.
Back in Spring of 1971 I was pulled for “loud pipes” when I rode into Virginia Beach on my 1957 XL. The cop had to pause in his lecture when a kid on a Kawasaki road by with straight pipes. When I asked him about it he told me he was only concerned about Harleys. I was given a warning ticket and told I had 24 hours to get stock pipes. I immediately rode to the Harley shop and bought stock shotgun pipes. They were louder than the after market pipes I had before.
I found out later it was an effort to “clean up” the city before the arrival of summer tourists.
There was another attempt in early summer. We’d park 2 or 3 bikes in a parking space and drop a dime in the meter. Police told us it was illegal - one space, one vehicle. The word was spread. Saturday morning about a hundred bikes showed up early and parked - one space, one bike. Tourists were driving around looking for a parking space. By noon we were told to park as many as possible in a space.


40 posted on 09/22/2010 3:41:16 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: jla

Good lord, let it go. Its clear to me that there’s a lot of wimps here among the FR members, but thats ok. I ride a bike - big deal.

I happen to love riding my Harley - especially in close proximity to wimpy lib-tards. The fact that you may think my pipes are “loud” doesn’t bother me one damn bit. As a matter of fact, I enjoy anoying busy-bodies and their girly-man friends as often as I can.


41 posted on 09/22/2010 3:43:56 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
It sometimes seems that liberalism is at its simplest, nothing more than an ideological hostility, to testosterone.

In other words penis envy. Envy is leftism in thought, hostility is leftism in action. Envy can easily jump from thought into action. E=mc2, where E is envy, m is malevolence, and c is crowd size.

42 posted on 09/22/2010 3:50:32 AM PDT by Reeses (First they came for the communists... but the Secret Service stopped them at the White House gate.)
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To: Terrence DoGood

As a general rule, the louder the bike the smaller the d***.

This rule can be extended to include pickups with large wheels.


43 posted on 09/22/2010 3:51:37 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: zeebee

I’d like to inform them of my presence with a ball bat.


44 posted on 09/22/2010 3:59:47 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Terrence DoGood

“I ride a bike - big deal.”

But it is a big deal to you and most other bike riders.

You failed to make a mark in the world, so you ride your bikes (which are hilariously overpriced)for the perception that you really are like the sociopathic “biker gangs” who get “respect” through their illegal activities and gang-violence. It’s compensating behavior.

The wimps are really on the bikes - the loudness of the bike represents the loudness of the tantrum they are throwing at the world for not thinking they are as wonderful as their mothers think they are.

Personally, I do agree that these laws are unnecessary (as most new laws are) - the best thing to do with a tantrum - whether a child or a man-child biker is to ignore it.

There. Did I get the psychology at least approximately correct?


45 posted on 09/22/2010 3:59:59 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Rearden

Lib guys should leave my H-D alone and I won’t tell them how idiotic they look around town on their little euro-trash scooters


46 posted on 09/22/2010 4:00:35 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: Misterioso

Hugh?


47 posted on 09/22/2010 4:01:55 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: LibWhacker

Intentionally making excessive noise and destroying the quality of life of one’s neighbors is the opposite of manly. It is the behavior of immature, spoiled, sissy, punks whose fathers never taught them how to be men.

Loud bikers are no different than the thugs who blast hip-hop on their car stereos. Trashy and rude is not manly. Real men stand up to these thugs.


48 posted on 09/22/2010 4:02:37 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Misterioso

LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES


49 posted on 09/22/2010 4:05:44 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: DB

AMEN! I agree that laws designed to protect brains so feeble that the cause their owners to think riding without a helmet is a good idea are pointless. Helmet laws should be repealed but not one dime of taxpayer dollars should go to treating the head injuries of helmetless riders.

Noisy bikers violate the rights of others and should not be permitted to do so.


50 posted on 09/22/2010 4:07:30 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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