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California poll: Most say Bush tax cuts hurt economy, didn't help them
AP via SFGate ^ | 9/22/10 | Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer

Posted on 09/22/2010 10:17:09 AM PDT by SmithL

A new poll shows California voters strongly support proposals to allow the Bush tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans to expire -- and overwhelmingly favor policies that allow the middle class to keep more of their earnings instead.

The statewide poll was taken by the Democratic polling firm of Greenberg Quinlan and Rosner for the SEIU. Hardly non-partisan, but Greenberg is well-respected; and the poll has good news for Democratic U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer -- in the middle of a tough re-election battle with Republican Carly Fiorina -- as she backs an end the tax cuts to the rich.

The poll also provides Democrats with a broad blueprint of how to most effectively shape their message heading toward November on the issue. The conclusion from Greenberg, according to a memo obtained by the Chronicle: the party's strongest possible message this fall is that "middle class families and small businesses are the backbone of the economy,'' and the Obama Administration proposal will cut taxes for them and "give them more money to spend" while it "helps the economy, creates jobs, and lowers the deficit."

The poll was conducted Sept. 8-13 among 400 likely voters in California, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: democrats; elections; goldenstate; liberalidiots; liberalstupidity; poll; pushpoll; taxandspend; taxtherich; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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The bottom line is that Californians LOVE taxes, just as long as some else is paying them.
1 posted on 09/22/2010 10:17:13 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Yes, tax the wealth creators. Momma Government will provide.


2 posted on 09/22/2010 10:18:13 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: SmithL

Nothing stopping CA from enacting it’s own replacement tax to keep these folks happy.


3 posted on 09/22/2010 10:18:56 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: SmithL

I bet if Obama extends them and renames them the Obama cuts, they will love them.


4 posted on 09/22/2010 10:18:55 AM PDT by keyesguy
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To: SmithL

I really suspect the internals here. It simply doesn’t make any sense and contradicts the results from every other poll on the subject.

Then again, if Californians really are this delusional, then I simply add one more reason to the 6,537 I already had for emigrating to a sane(r) location. Just hoping NC doesn’t catch the Californication bug. They really seem to be trolling to get it.

As the song says: God is great, beer is good, people are crazy.


5 posted on 09/22/2010 10:19:57 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: SmithL

Fortunately, nature is about to teach Californians that, “you can’t fool Mother Nature”. The titty is dry.


6 posted on 09/22/2010 10:20:18 AM PDT by Hans
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To: SmithL

Not surprising since some 60% of Californians don’t pay taxes.

I will bet they polled this in lower income households.

The results would be very different if they had polled those making $75k+.


7 posted on 09/22/2010 10:20:18 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: SmithL

why do you think California is in the financial condition it is?


8 posted on 09/22/2010 10:20:50 AM PDT by tisket (If someone yells "You Lie" in a room full of politicians, how do they know who he's talking to?)
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To: SmithL

Another worthless poll from the turds at SEIU...


9 posted on 09/22/2010 10:21:09 AM PDT by PushinTin (NEVER, argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!!)
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To: SmithL

This idiocy only proves yet again that most Californians are too stupid to be llowed to live
where is theobama guy who believes in selective killing, to rid the population of people too stupid to be productive citizens?

Note, this does NOT allow to all the good Calif freepers. We know you are trying.


10 posted on 09/22/2010 10:21:16 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: SmithL

Any wonder the Extreme Lib Dinosaurs Brown and Boxer are still in the running? In any other state they’d be toast. This poll probably is an accurate representation of the views of Californians. They live in fantasyland and when the Ponzi scheme runs out of suckers to fleece, they’ll scream like babies for a federal bailout. Saw it off and let it sink.


11 posted on 09/22/2010 10:21:43 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: wac3rd

Most people in California don’t pay any income tax. There are a few thousand Californians who pay most of the California state income tax. If/when a few of them move out of Califonia.......voila....there is a huge budget shortfall in revenues.


12 posted on 09/22/2010 10:22:34 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: SmithL

For the last 8 or 9 years people have heard the media and the Democrats denounce the Bush “tax cuts for the wealthy” and rarely heard anyone on the other side explain why they might be a good idea...so naturally a large part of the public will think they are a bad idea (especially since they aren’t being directly affected).


13 posted on 09/22/2010 10:23:30 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SmithL

Herded Humans will love what they are told to love...’nuff said.


14 posted on 09/22/2010 10:26:40 AM PDT by FrankR (obama can only be what WE allow him to be.)
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To: SmithL

To many of my fellow Californians are fools and buffoons.


15 posted on 09/22/2010 10:28:54 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: SmithL

Did you have a job then? Do you have one now? How long do you think you´ll keep it if you do?

At least Bush, for all his faults, was not trying to destroy America as this islamist bastard is hell bent on doing.


16 posted on 09/22/2010 10:30:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SmithL

YEAH, MAN, TAX CUTS ARE BAD!..................

17 posted on 09/22/2010 10:30:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: SmithL

The headline doesn’t match the data. Is the media lying?


18 posted on 09/22/2010 10:30:52 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: FrankR

CALIFORNIA, LAND OF THE ETERNAL ELOI...............


19 posted on 09/22/2010 10:31:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: SmithL

the californians must not realize that the tax increases will not discriminate by state. Given the insane cost of living in california, most of those californians will enjoy paying their new taxes.


20 posted on 09/22/2010 10:33:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SmithL

And in a related story, most people are economic morons.


21 posted on 09/22/2010 10:33:38 AM PDT by Terpin (Missing: One very clever and insightful tagline. Reward for safe return!)
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To: SmithL
the Bush tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans to expire -- and overwhelmingly favor policies that allow the middle class to keep more of their earnings instead.

Isn't this two lies in one?

The Bush tax cuts were across-the-board were they not?

As far as I know there are no proposals from either side for a middle class tax cut. The Dems will never propose such a thing as it violates their goal of crushing anyone with an independent means of living. The GOP don't currently have the votes or the committees to do same.

So...it's either all or nothing with the Bush cuts. Therefore the poll is based on fantasy and fiction.

22 posted on 09/22/2010 10:33:45 AM PDT by relictele (Me lumen vos umbra regit)
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To: Verginius Rufus
rarely heard anyone on the other side explain why they might be a good idea

Bingo. Republicans don't counter Democrat lies forcefully or consistently enough.

23 posted on 09/22/2010 10:33:56 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (IMG SRC="http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4wnfZLXa9jmelZVeXnOrapJaRo4DQ6wxU9-lN8xg0RGOjpc)
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To: SmithL

Most of them don’t know who Bush is.


24 posted on 09/22/2010 10:34:47 AM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Islam-ism)
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To: SmithL

And that philosophy has paid off so well for them!!!!


25 posted on 09/22/2010 10:35:52 AM PDT by ontap
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To: SmithL

This means that the majority of Californians are on the dole and they want the gravy train to keep rolling.


26 posted on 09/22/2010 10:35:58 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: SmithL

Most of Congress members are in the wealthy’’ catagory without their gov’t pay,,,,tax the rich? Ha! their gov’t pay covers much of their tax bill on their ‘’other income’’ which is their wealth.


27 posted on 09/22/2010 10:37:07 AM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: Vendome

Thirty percent of them aren’t even US citizens!!!


28 posted on 09/22/2010 10:37:17 AM PDT by ontap
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To: SmithL

“poll was taken by the Democratic polling firm of Greenberg Quinlan and Rosner for the SEIU. Hardly non-partisan,”

How would any state do with these folks running the poll?


29 posted on 09/22/2010 10:37:43 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (Yes, I know)
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To: SmithL
I have never understood why the equal protection clause doesn't protect the rich.
30 posted on 09/22/2010 10:37:51 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: SmithL
“The statewide poll was taken by the Democratic polling firm of Greenberg Quinlan and Rosner for the SEIU. Hardly non-partisan” No shit! I would be interested to know the specifics on their polling data, it sounds bogus to me.
31 posted on 09/22/2010 10:39:31 AM PDT by chris haney
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To: forgotten man

That is BS.

I paid 12K per year to CA when I worked there, and that was
10% of my adj gross.


32 posted on 09/22/2010 10:41:07 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: SmithL

These people did a poll where Bush did something wrong/bad....I'm shocked.

33 posted on 09/22/2010 10:42:17 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: SmithL

California is full of mental morons. It is crazy how their own ship is sinking but they are still bragging about how their way is the right way to do things. Absolutely insane.


34 posted on 09/22/2010 10:42:39 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: SmithL

“The statewide poll was taken by the Democratic polling firm of Greenberg Quinlan and Rosner for the SEIU. ...

The poll also provides Democrats with a broad blueprint of how to most effectively shape their message heading toward November on the issue. “

This explains it — I want to see the questions, looks like a push-poll.


35 posted on 09/22/2010 10:48:53 AM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: SmithL

Envy is a deadly sin for a reason.


36 posted on 09/22/2010 10:51:00 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: SmithL

From the polling firm’s website:

Changing the Framework and Outcome in 2010
Source: Stanley B. Greenberg and James Carville
Client: Democracy Corps

http://www.greenbergresearch.com/index.php?ID=2515

Advice to how Dems can win in November:

“You must first communicate a commitment to change Washington - within this same framework”

In other words, LIE, LIE, and KEEP LYING!

That’s what Dems do best.


37 posted on 09/22/2010 10:53:28 AM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: SmartInsight

The poll I was referring to in my post 37:

“METHODOLOGY
The web poll was conducted September 1-2, 2010 among 850 individuals who fall into the following demographic groups: the “Rising American Electorate,” which consists of youth, unmarried women, and minorities; and white non-college educated respondents. The two focus groups were conducted in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on September 7, 2010 with white women aged 45-60 without a college degree and white men age 30-45 with a college degree. All participants were independents, weak Democrats, or weak Republicans.
“This election is not over nor fixed in concrete....Voters are still listening.”


38 posted on 09/22/2010 10:55:33 AM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: SmithL

Idiots.


39 posted on 09/22/2010 10:57:45 AM PDT by dfwgator (Rangers Magic Number - 6)
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To: ontap

How many of them even pay taxes?


40 posted on 09/22/2010 10:58:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (Rangers Magic Number - 6)
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To: RWGinger
This idiocy only proves yet again that most Californians are too stupid to be allowed to live

And those who aren't - i.e., the producers - are going elsewhere.

41 posted on 09/22/2010 11:00:36 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: SmithL

Well SFGate can say whatever it wants, I don’t know one person who wants their taxes to go up in January.

To listen to these folks, you’d think the IRS was the best agency of the government according to Leftists.

How many Leftists do you know that like the IRS?

These folks could word a poll so that the public would say that the sun is cold and the moon is what really causes crops to flourish.


42 posted on 09/22/2010 11:03:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (All hail Prince Skid-mark, Barack Hussein Obama, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: SmithL
A new poll shows California voters strongly support proposals to allow the Bush tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans to expire

The prevailing California mindset which in large part created the current economic situation out there.

My recommendation is, PLEASE keep it up, California and continue chasing out those e-e-e-evil rich people! Virginia will be most happy to welcome them and their businesses here. We LIKE economic prosperity!

43 posted on 09/22/2010 11:14:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: RWGinger
Note, this does NOT allow to all the good Calif freepers. We know you are trying.

Ditto here as well re: my comment as well.

44 posted on 09/22/2010 11:16:57 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: BelegStrongbow
God is great, beer is good, people are crazy.

Ditto that FRiend

45 posted on 09/22/2010 11:17:04 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Kill them all...let God sort them out.)
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To: SmithL

Good. Let ‘em expire for California only (unless MA, NY and ILL\ want them to expire too.)


46 posted on 09/22/2010 11:17:09 AM PDT by eCSMaster
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To: SmithL

“The bottom line is that Californians LOVE taxes, just as long as some else is paying them.”

Bullshit!

From The Article as I used to say at another site: “The statewide poll was taken by the Democratic polling firm of Greenberg Quinlan and Rosner for the SEIU.”

I’d love to read the way the questions were worded, and presented to the public being polled, and I’d like to see the answers from those polled to see just how this Democratic polling firm for the SEIU arrived at their results.

Guaranteed if the SEIU hired a Democrat polling firm to come up with the answers they want, they got ‘em.


47 posted on 09/22/2010 11:21:17 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: SmithL

A recent Poll by ‘Values Polling Service’ shows that 53% of Californians think that it is okay to sleep with your sister, while 42% were opposed. The other 5% remained undecided (I can make up questions and numbers too).


48 posted on 09/22/2010 11:26:43 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: SmithL

BS. This poll was taken in downtown San Francisco during a coalition meeting of GLADD and the homeless.


49 posted on 09/22/2010 11:28:50 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: SmithL

BLAME THE GOP for this ignorance

Public education on facts should be job ONE for what passes as the “other” party

Bush tax cuts created wealth, boosted federal revenue, added 8 million jobs to economy - historic growth
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/03/bush-tax-cuts-boosted-federal-revenue/?feat=article_top10_shared

Bush tax cuts led to rich paying MORE tax. When the rich get richer- they PAY MORE TAX.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/20/cbo-rich-got-richer-paid-more-taxes-under-bush/


50 posted on 09/22/2010 11:33:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (The lesser of two evils is still evil.)
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