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US House puts oceans, coasts under UN: Senate vote will seal the deal
http://theintelhub.com ^ | 9-22-2010 | Carmen Reynolds, Paul McKain and Karen Schoen

Posted on 09/23/2010 8:24:21 AM PDT by Whenifhow

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To: Whenifhow

I read the summary. Hence my question.


51 posted on 09/23/2010 9:18:37 AM PDT by Raebie
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To: 1066AD

“...Lesson in paying attention, these people never give up.
..”

They haven’t given up since 1848, when Marx and Engels wrote The Communist Manifesto.

Their definition of peace is and always has been - “the Absence of Opposition to Our Goals” - meaning any and all who subscribe to that pig ideology are in a perpetual state of war with everyone who disagrees with them.

They won’t give up until either us or them are dead.

Personally...I’ll take Patton’s theory of how to win a war.


52 posted on 09/23/2010 9:19:37 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass; Non-Sequitur

Well, the burden of proof usually is contingent on those making the claims. I wouldn’t put it past this bunch to try this, but I would like to see some documentation for the claim before running with it.


53 posted on 09/23/2010 9:20:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Red Badger
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

If you are citing that a treaty can trump the Constitution of the United States, you are wrong.

The bolded area speaks specifically of the Constitution being the law of the land and that laws and treaties made must be made under that law.

To make a treaty that sits outside the Constitution would be in violation of the Constitution.

Also, the next line "and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding" speaks only about state laws and constitutions, not the Constitution, itself.

54 posted on 09/23/2010 9:20:51 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: Grunthor

After the filibuster and Republicans take over the house in November, the House needs to recall the Bill so that it never reaches the Senate.


55 posted on 09/23/2010 9:21:13 AM PDT by RC2 (Remember who we are. "I am America")
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To: rlmorel

And to be clear, I have completely surrendered the hope that the Senate was going to be a calming voice on this type of thing (as it was designed by the founders to be)

When the Senate allows McCain-Feingold CFR, and particularly Obamacare, they can never again be trusted. And there is no executive veto pen to stop this. As the article at IntelHub states (and admittedly, I don’t know THEM any better than I know who and what the President is) this should have NEVER NEVER NEVER gotten to the Senate. Never. Republicans should have turned out to block it, because we had the votes to do it.


56 posted on 09/23/2010 9:21:48 AM PDT by rlmorel (Puritianism is the fear someone is having fun. Liberalism is the fear someone is making money...)
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To: combat_boots

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57 posted on 09/23/2010 9:22:04 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

The Constitution is no protection anymore. The Constitution has been shredded in many areas, and nobody has stepped up to invoke it. Ever.


58 posted on 09/23/2010 9:24:23 AM PDT by rlmorel (Puritianism is the fear someone is having fun. Liberalism is the fear someone is making money...)
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To: bamahead; Whenifhow; DoughtyOne
This is one more incident that proves a long time truth.


59 posted on 09/23/2010 9:26:31 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: DoughtyOne

The Republicans are too busy fighting the Tea Partiers.


60 posted on 09/23/2010 9:30:22 AM PDT by sport
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Justify and Testify

Who do you think you are, elitists, elected and unelected officials, who thrive on darkness and back room discussions, that you can enact legislation without so much as reading it or announcing its number? Who do you think you are, that your snobbish disregard for the legality of the US Constitution now endangers this country in toto?

Justify yourselves.
You are accountable, as are your friends, cohorts and relatives.
You will be required to testify to all, and to God, for your actions.

You are answerable. To everyone. You will have to testify. To everyone.

How dare you.


61 posted on 09/23/2010 9:33:11 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“To make a treaty that sits outside the Constitution would be in violation of the Constitution.”

***************
Call and tell your senators it is against the constitution!

paragraph 2 at the link:
http://theintelhub.com/2010/09/22/17314/

HR 3534 is a thinly disguised permanent roadblock to American energy which drives American companies out of the Gulf, delays future drilling, increases dependency on foreign oil, implements climate change legislation and youth education programs; but most important, it mandates membership in the Law of the Sea Treaty without the required two-thirds vote to ratify it in the U.S. Senate. Read more at LOST below

Emphasis on WITHOUT 2/3 ratification vote.


62 posted on 09/23/2010 9:34:06 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Willie Green

I do not know whether I should tell you this or not Willie, but, they had passenger trains long before they had automobiles. That was one reason that the automobile was developed, the trains were not working out. They are good for what they are good for and nothing else.


63 posted on 09/23/2010 9:35:09 AM PDT by sport
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To: ibytoohi
It is well passed the the time FRiend.

The damage that is being down to our nation will be not be able to be repaired.

At the rate Obama is working there will be pretty much nothing left to fix.

Being overseas I can tell you that the Chinese and others are watching closely to what is happening and even they are in shock at how fast the decline is.

I'm in a position where I meet many foreign government officials and diplomats and I can tell you that many of them are shocked - just last night a Chinese diplomat remarked at how hostile Obama was to America.

Obama's fecklessness has and continues to embolden and incentivize our adversaries.

It is bad FRiends - very bad

64 posted on 09/23/2010 9:36:03 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: Non-Sequitur
OK, the UN isn't mentioned anywhere in it. How's that for a start?

So, you didn't read it, either.

OK.

65 posted on 09/23/2010 9:36:38 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'd rather take my chances with someone misusing freedom than someone misusing power.)
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To: expatguy

Tell us about it, we’re here under the lash, frankly, it’s amazing there isn’t a full scale civil war, but then, most people just think that everything will be okay because it always has been


66 posted on 09/23/2010 9:37:42 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Whenifhow

bflr


67 posted on 09/23/2010 9:37:58 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Whenifhow

The very first act of the new Congress must be to retroactively repeal this, and declare it to be an act of Treason.


68 posted on 09/23/2010 9:41:39 AM PDT by sourcery (Don't call them "liberals" or "progressives." The honest label is extreme anti-Constitutionalists!)
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To: expatguy

“Obama’s fecklessness has and continues to embolden and incentivize our adversaries.”

Then he and the forces amassed against us shall need another incentive, won’t they.


69 posted on 09/23/2010 9:41:49 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Whenifhow

Feature this: Our Fisheries given up. Oil given up, oil revenue given up to the muslim driven UN, to fund our own destruction.

Instead, why don’t they make turd world places like Africa self sufficient through their own means instead of making them village idiots funded by western civilization?


70 posted on 09/23/2010 9:43:00 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: Whenifhow

Like EVERY “treaty,” it is a voluntary contract between the various parties and SOME FUTURE LEGISLATURE CAN ABROGATE, CANCEL, RESCIND OR JUST AS VOLUNTARILY WITHDRAW FROM THE DAMN THING.

And, pray tell, just HOW would a toothless UN keep us locked in — especially if we kick these freeloading bums out of the US and stop letting them pick our pockets for 25% of their funding.

BTW, those cute blue helmets make great targets!


71 posted on 09/23/2010 9:43:36 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
So, you didn't read it, either.

If you can find it then let me know what page it's on.

Link

72 posted on 09/23/2010 9:47:21 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: bamahead
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73 posted on 09/23/2010 9:48:24 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Maybe the Democrats are being very sneaky here. Maybe they are putting snippets of the LOST treaty in separate bills.

The requirements would be met after all of the snippets are passed.

This would be the way around an outright vote on the Treaty.


74 posted on 09/23/2010 9:50:28 AM PDT by dforest
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To: sourcery
The very first act of the new Congress must be to retroactively repeal this, and declare it to be an act of Treason.


You do understand that this hasn't passed the Senate nor been signed into law.....

The following is the title page from which it is taken.

US House puts oceans, coasts under UN: Senate vote will seal the deal

September 22, 2010 by Alex

Filed under Constitution and Politics, Intel Hub Featured Articles, New World Order

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Piece by piece, America being given away

Boogai.net
By Carmen Reynolds, Paul McKain and Karen Schoen

75 posted on 09/23/2010 10:06:31 AM PDT by deport
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To: Dick Bachert

Fox news article
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301279,00.html

In 1982, Ronald Reagan, concerned about the treaty’s implications for our sovereignty and national security, formally rejected LOST because it did “not satisfy the objectives sought by the United States.” In 1994, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton, anxious to appease One World Government advocates in his own party and at the United Nations, negotiated a parallel “Agreement” that purported to address Mr. Reagan’s concerns — and urged ratification. Since then, LOST has gathered dust in the bowels of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee. All that may be about to change. The deeply flawed, Soviet-era agreement giving unelected, unaccountable international bureaucrats control over 71 percent of the Earth’s surface is now on a fast track to ratification.

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Before casting a vote to ratify LOST, all 100 U.S. senators should read Article 314 of this onerous treaty and Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution. The U.N.-crafted document specifies that amendments to the treaty can be adopted — and therefore enforced — without the consent of any signatory. Yet our Constitution requires that two thirds of our Senate concur in any treaty. Do 67 members of this Senate now want to surrender that authority to foreign governments?


76 posted on 09/23/2010 10:09:15 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow
For what it's worth:

Notwithstanding concerns raised about the Law of the Sea Treaty - and there have been many - the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee recommended U.S. accession to the treaty in a unanimous vote in March 2004.

Six years later, a vote of the entire U.S. Senate has yet to be scheduled.

77 posted on 09/23/2010 10:12:48 AM PDT by deport
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To: Jeff Chandler
If rail travel were more efficient, it would be cheaper. Which it is not.

"Cheaper" and "most efficient" are not the same thing.

78 posted on 09/23/2010 10:39:07 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
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To: Whenifhow
"Do 67 members of this Senate now want to surrender that authority to foreign governments?"

Hell, most -- not ALL -- but far too many of these 535 cretins on that hill at the east end of the Mall have for decades been happily and merrily shipping their authority and responsibility for the accountability laden heavy lifting of ACTUALLY GOVERNING this country down to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

If THAT was a good thing, SHIPPING/OUTSOURCING THAT RESPONSIBILITY FARTHER AWAY TO FACELESS BUREAUCRATS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY HAS TO BE WONDERFUL -- SIMPLY WONDERFUL!!

They could spend all that new free time doing what they've proven they do best -- having those 6 martini lunches with K-streeters at the Palm, visiting hookers (or local glory holes), napping in their offices, hitting on staffers, ignoring constituents, counting their daily pay-offs from those K-streeters, etc., etc.

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79 posted on 09/23/2010 10:44:01 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: IYAS9YAS; Red Badger
Actually, SCOTUS disagrees with IYAS9YAS and agrees with Red Badger. There was a case in the 1930s interpreting (applying?) a Migratory Bird Treaty with Canada. Litigants claimed that their 2nd Amendment RTKBA was infringed by provisions outlawing the hunting of Canadian geese flying over the US. SCOTUS essentially placed the treaty on a par with the Constitutional provision and, since the treaty was the later enactment, used well-recognized appellate standards to apply the treaty provisions in derogation of the 2nd Amendment RTKBA.

I learned this in law school which was a while back and, while freely acknowledging that this outrage is not on the top of my stack of things to obsess over, I do not believe that the SCOTUS decision in question has ever been overturned, modified or superseded.

This matter is a ticking time bomb which suggests that a treaty which purports to void the entire Bill of Rights would, if ratified, actually do so with no more than the signature of some Demonrat POTUS and 2/3 ratification by Demonrat and RINO Senators.

80 posted on 09/23/2010 10:56:31 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Willie Green
"Cheaper" and "most efficient" are not the same thing.

Of course they are when the concept of market demand is considered. It's a matter of economics.

Automobiles and airplanes are far more efficient in supplying what the market demands. The fact that the iron horse may be more efficient in supplying a service that is not in great demand is irrelevant.


There is also a difference between price and cost. The train may have a cheaper price, but a higher cost in time:

LA to Chicago (buying the ticket today to leave today):


Amtrak
Duration: 42 hr, 15 min
$287.00


Southwest Airlines
Duration: 4 hours
$391.00


I don't know about you, but 38 hours of my time is worth more than 96 bucks. And I don't have to buy food on a four hour flight.

Not only that, but SW has eleven flights today, while Amtrak has one!

81 posted on 09/23/2010 11:11:55 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Jeff Chandler

(One departure, not one flight. BTTF reference)


82 posted on 09/23/2010 11:17:07 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: BlackElk
There was a case in the 1930s interpreting (applying?) a Migratory Bird Treaty with Canada. Litigants claimed that their 2nd Amendment RTKBA was infringed by provisions outlawing the hunting of Canadian geese flying over the US.

Game-taking laws do not violate the second amendment - they do not infringe upon your right to keep and bear arms.

83 posted on 09/23/2010 11:30:50 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: sport
That was one reason that the automobile was developed, the trains were not working out.

Nonsense.

The "horseless carriage" was developed to replace horse drawn wagons.
Passenger trains thrived well into the automotive age, especially for long distance travel.
That role diminished when WW-II aircraft production capacity was converted to civilian production.
But 50 years later, aviation fuel is less abundant and becoming more expensive. That makes passenger rail's fuel efficiencies the better option on short, regional trips between 100 and 500 miles in distance.

84 posted on 09/23/2010 11:39:18 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
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To: Red Badger

Treaties do NOT supercede the Constitution. Period.


85 posted on 09/23/2010 11:45:20 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Jeff Chandler
The fact that the iron horse may be more efficient in supplying a service that is not in great demand is irrelevant.

Amtrak heads for ridership record in 2010, chief says
Train ridership between Vancouver and Seattle exceeding expectations
Metro ridership spiked on day of Glenn Beck rally (510,000 riders)

Passenger rail is a growth market and demand is increasing.

Lobbyists for the Airline and Highway industries are in denial.

86 posted on 09/23/2010 11:48:50 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
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To: FightThePower!
The reason it slipped under the radar is that the Republicans work for the International Bankers just like the Democrats.

Free Republic just can't seem to get its collective mind to accept this truth.

87 posted on 09/23/2010 11:49:03 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Whenifhow; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
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Article, and # 64.

88 posted on 09/23/2010 11:51:59 AM PDT by LucyT
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SP Alert, too.

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89 posted on 09/23/2010 11:56:47 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Willie Green

If Boehner was really serious about reducing our dependence on foreign oil, he would be pushing Karl Denninger’s suggestion of building new nuclear power plants on US military facilities in all fifty states, to be operated by the US Navy. Local NIMBYs and politically connected energy cartels could do absolutely nothing to stop it. It would cost a lot less than the bailouts.


90 posted on 09/23/2010 11:56:48 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Willie Green

blah blah blah TRAINS blah blah blah TRAINS


91 posted on 09/23/2010 11:59:40 AM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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To: Mr. Jeeves
new nuclear power plants on US military facilities in all fifty states, to be operated by the US Navy

Excellent idea. Are the nuclear plants in ships and subs scalable, because they have an outstanding safety record.

92 posted on 09/23/2010 12:00:05 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Willie Green
Amtrak heads for ridership record in 2010, chief says Train ridership between Vancouver and Seattle exceeding expectations Metro ridership spiked on day of Glenn Beck rally (510,000 riders)

Record ridership does not necessarily mean that the public wants rail over air/highway.

Vancouver to Seattle is an example of the niche where rail might be successful: too short for air travel and a bit long for a car ride. I say remove the subsidies and let the market decide.

Glenn Beck rally was a one off event. Irrelevant.

93 posted on 09/23/2010 12:00:38 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Whenifhow
it mandates membership in the Law of the Sea Treaty without the required two-thirds vote to ratify it in the U.S. Senate.

An end run around the Constitutional treaty process to be part of LOST? It sure looks like and should be a US Supreme Court zot.

94 posted on 09/23/2010 12:01:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Whenifhow

Does anyone realize we have been following this treaty since the Ronald Reagan era REVISIONS? The reagan administration objected to the first version of the treaty and that was scrapped and a second produced.

It also contains a provision where the USA can stipulate than all thier disputers will be arbitrated IN the USA with USA arbitrators.


95 posted on 09/23/2010 12:02:38 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: expatguy
I'm in a position where I meet many foreign government officials and diplomats and I can tell you that many of them are shocked - just last night a Chinese diplomat remarked at how hostile Obama was to America.

Obama's fecklessness has and continues to embolden and incentivize our adversaries.

Only 40 days left before we put much of Dems/Obama's crap in check.

96 posted on 09/23/2010 12:07:08 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Grunthor

Lets hope they are up to the task.
This is why we are all running scared when we are dependent on rinos.This is also why they have to go.


97 posted on 09/23/2010 12:11:13 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I vaguely recall it was around. But certainly no large hue and cry on this one.


98 posted on 09/23/2010 12:12:49 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
So you did a word search for "UN," is that what you're reluctantly owning up to?

Embarrassing.

99 posted on 09/23/2010 12:15:46 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'd rather take my chances with someone misusing freedom than someone misusing power.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“Free Republic just can’t seem to get its collective mind to accept this truth.”

Crazy isn’t it? Government gets bigger we get deeper into debt no matter who is in office, but some how people think that if we just elect the right group of Republicans, it will be different this time.


100 posted on 09/23/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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