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Posted on 09/23/2010 3:09:13 PM PDT by topher
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Sorry, dude....that implies that you are contradicting my position which is opposite the posted idea that abortion is terrorism.
...this is terror...I inferred that the link was to some sort of abortion procedure. I don’t normally click links from strangers, I’m sure you understand.
Considering that the dolts on this thread do not know the difference between terrible acts and terrorism, I unapologetically lumped you into that group.
If you equate abortion with terrorism then you are ignorant of what terrorism is and I won’t apologize for your ignorance.
Wow is it so hard to answer a yes or no question?
Is Auschwitz terrorism?
I didn’t know that but I know now.
What do you think? Yes or no? Is that so hard for you to do?
Forget for a moment that your question is totally irrelevant and you are INSISTING that I answer your irrelevant question....
No. What I understand is that you are a liberaltarian. And you play word games. And that few on this thread have any respect for you. I'm sure your ego won't let that bother you.
Have a nice night.
and socialist security would be in a lot better shape than it is now had all those kids not been murdered before they were born...
Words have meanings, even if you don’t like it.
Your behavior is slightly more civilized than DU or Salon but the same in principle.
Muddle the meanings of words and massacre the messenger.
Make truth optional.
And I have yet to see you add anything meaningful to a thread. Just insults. You come on a thread, stomp everyone and pretend that you've taken the high road. You have not.
You may now have the last word as your kind always does.
Thank you for the last word.
My kind, as you put it, often encourage others, like you, to forsake ignorance and seek knowledge.
I even posted a definition of terrorism for those of you who didn’t care enough about the truth to look it up yourself. I posted it so that you and your kind could actually use words as they are defined and not as you simply “feel” they should be defined.
Doodette, if you cared about anyone being precise and accurate then you would be working with me and not against me or mocking me.
What did you bring to this thread? Hmmmm....??
That was a rhetorical question. Your kind do not have the meekness or humility to accept correction, do not have the courage to change positions in the light of better knowledge in order to align yourself with a more truthful position. Yeah, your kind is common and prevalent in the MSM.
Nice try but it doesn’t work.
Care to pervert the English language any more?
I appreciate your reply, it confirms my opinion of you.
Who is the object of coercion and what is the political ideal?
Unborn aren't coerced and they don't vote.
As tragic as abortion is, it isn't terrorism as commonly practiced.
He’s simply a disruptor that trolls looking for a fight. It’s what he does on these threads.
I’m sure that roach I squished the other day didn’t think that much of me either.
As far as I can see, you’d prefer to wallow in error and insult me than change your mind and enjoy the truth.
It must really be sad to be in your skin and all I can do is pity you.
He’s not worth replying to if he has to resort to personal attacks to defend his position on abortion.
And that post to you was a nasty personal attack. And uncalled for.
And I don't blame you for hating your own reflections!
Doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t think he’s used to being called out on his comments, class of ‘98. We all 98ers think we’re invincible. We’re not.
Oh come on, now you’re just sounding silly.
Troll = someone who understands his position better than you understand yours?
When I first signed up there were a lot of “Class of 98” posters who were helpful and informative. I learned a lot from them. And then there were the “others”. ;-)
Definitions are not semantics. Re read your twisting of terms to suit your purposes to see semantic gymnastics in action.
Terrorism example - a bomb or bombings designed to make the government look impotent and to coerce or intimidate the population to bend to the will of the perpetrators.
Abortion - normally a voluntary act by a woman who wishes to end her pregnancy by killing the fetus. Frequently done in secret.
There are many terrible and terrifying acts perpetrated on people that are not correctly termed terrorism.
Either words mean something or they don’t.
Said the hypocrite.
Alamo-Girl was a huge help to me when I first signed up. She hadn't been at FR that long but she knew everything about the site and gave me advice on what should or should not be posted on FR.
Check it out, she's still listed on FR's homepage!
It is relevant. There are many similarities between what happened at Auschwitz and what happens in abortion clinics today.
The only difference is that one happened in Germany, and the other is happening all over the world.
The question, btw isn’t trying to ‘trap’ you or whatever nonsense, but to make this point 100 percent clear. I actually expected you to answer no, but clearly you fear the question, which is why you’ve not answered it.
So be it.
Yeah, tens of thousands are marched into US abortion clinics and treated the same way Auschwitz internees were.
Yeah, that pretty much disgraces everyone that went to any of those NAZI extermination camps by comparing them to women who voluntarily kill their unborn babies.
I was very timid at first and Summer told me to just jump in and post. She was very kind. I'd been getting bashed around on other boards for being conservative. That tends to make one button their lip. The older signups taught me how to debate and backup what I said with links.
Alamo-Girl is one of my favorites, logos is too but is also a good friend.
Funny story that logos told me, I didn’t remember the thread but logos does. The thread was titled something like “Who is your favorite Freeper?” Alamo-Girl came in first, logos came in second. He still remembers that.
Thank you oh so very much, dear Jean S!
I've only posted on one of those threads. I was always afraid I would forget someone or my list would get too long. lol
I remember that thread. The results surprised me because I mostly did support work and there are so many brilliant correspondents on Free Republic who deserved recognition.
Laz would probably win :-)
“Yeah, tens of thousands are marched into US abortion clinics and treated the same way Auschwitz internees were”
Tens of thousands?
Try millions. 1 million a year in America.
What do you think happens to the children? Do you think they get a choice? Or do they not count as people?
I think you just asked the pivotal question.
As a libertarian one doubts that Eagle Eye views any one of these infants as people, inspite of their abilities to react to and to attempt to flee the device designed to rip them limb from limb. As anyone who has ever viewed the film "silent Scream" knows, the infant senses the imminent harm and attempts to flee the D&C.
Daniel Pearl gets his head cut off and we say the people who did it are terrorists who practice terrorism.
PP sticks forceps into an infant's head and sucks his brains out, but because Eagle Eye, the "libertarian" Eagle Eye, that is, doesn't consider the infant a person, because of supposed terms of legal art and finesse it doesn't count as terrorism.
Eagle Eye's definition of "terrorism" is conveniently too narrow.
The Princeton dictionary (wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn) defines terrorism as: "the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature"
The ideology which calculates the violence is just another legal euphemism called "Freedom of Choice."
Abortion is the profitable, legal killing of human life.
Yes, I’ve been reading the thread and it really strikes me the same as it did BenKenobi. I understand and respect your commitment to precise definitions, but consider the mapping of roles here. The equivalence is not between the victims of Auschwitz and the mothers who enter abortion clinics, but between the victims of Auschwitz and the unborn victims of the abortion doctors. They are indeed “marched into” the abortion clinics as completely helpless victims, not by SS in gleaming helmets, but by a motley crew of actors who are the moral inferiors of the SS, i.e., the I-don’t-want-to-be-a-daddy-so-kill-the-baby boyfriends, the its-a-subhuman-so-I-can-kill-it mothers, the self-appointed women-must-be-free-to-choose-so-kill-the-baby escorts, the I-can’t-take-care-of-you-both-so-kill-the-baby parents, and on and on. Death at Auschwitz was arguably more dignified. At least there was a real war, driven by competing visions of some grand utopia. But modern abortionists kill for mere money, and the supporting cast kills for mere inconvenience.
As to a proper definition of terrorism, you are betting the farm on a technical difference while overlooking an essential similarity. From the perspective of the victim, there is no meaningful difference between death by a politically motivated terrorist act and death by murder in the womb. As shown in the film “Silent Scream,” and as supported by a larger body of modern research, a child living comfortably in mommy’s womb experiences pain, terror, and death in a place that had been safe for them.
As for the element of coercion, I will grant you your technical difference, in that the typical coercive objective of a bombing or a YouTube beheading is to use fear to condition the survivors for some political effect. However, even in that difference there is still a strong and legitimate thread of similarity, in that we who are the survivors of abortion are indeed being conditioned by observation to devalue life, which effect is essential to the Nietzschean political paradigm that might makes right, the vile core of leftist ideology.
And it is fair to say that those among us with a more tender conscience may well experience a coercive fear as a byproduct of this conditioning, depending on our individual vulnerability. It is reasonable to fear a government that can declare by fiat that a particular group of humans is subhuman and therefore expendable without due process. Is that not the lodestar of the keepers of Auschwitz? And is that not perhaps the real reason all these good folk contending with you are so incensed with your position? To any sensitive, intuitive mind, the essential similarity totally eclipses the technical difference between murder by terrorism and murder by abortion, and it would help the conversation to recognize the genuine difficulty in making that separation without falling into the trap of unnecessarily personal critiquery.
How much of the unborn infant’s alive body do you think the mother made in her womb? How much pain and misery is too much to be tolerable for your calculus? What value has the human soul to your calculus? Do you even believe these alive unborn children are yet fellow human beings? ... I suspect you enjoy being disgusting on a conservative forum.
Libertarians are merely users of conservatism, not believers in conservatism.
While I’ve always supported the Tea Party, this makes me want to travel the 50 miles their demonstrations are from me, to join them.
Over 50 million innocent unborn babies, killed by abortion since Roe.