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Planned Parenthood Scared by Tea Party Success
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | September 23, 2010 | By Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 09/23/2010 3:09:13 PM PDT by topher

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To: DJ MacWoW

Sorry, dude....that implies that you are contradicting my position which is opposite the posted idea that abortion is terrorism.

...this is terror...I inferred that the link was to some sort of abortion procedure. I don’t normally click links from strangers, I’m sure you understand.

Considering that the dolts on this thread do not know the difference between terrible acts and terrorism, I unapologetically lumped you into that group.

If you equate abortion with terrorism then you are ignorant of what terrorism is and I won’t apologize for your ignorance.

Sorry, doodette.


51 posted on 09/23/2010 7:03:45 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Wow is it so hard to answer a yes or no question?

Is Auschwitz terrorism?


52 posted on 09/23/2010 7:06:27 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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To: EternalVigilance

I didn’t know that but I know now.


53 posted on 09/23/2010 7:06:37 PM PDT by MissyMack66
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To: BenKenobi

What do you think? Yes or no? Is that so hard for you to do?

Forget for a moment that your question is totally irrelevant and you are INSISTING that I answer your irrelevant question....


54 posted on 09/23/2010 7:09:46 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
I don’t normally click links from strangers, I’m sure you understand.

No. What I understand is that you are a liberaltarian. And you play word games. And that few on this thread have any respect for you. I'm sure your ego won't let that bother you.

Have a nice night.

55 posted on 09/23/2010 7:11:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

and socialist security would be in a lot better shape than it is now had all those kids not been murdered before they were born...


56 posted on 09/23/2010 7:13:40 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Words have meanings, even if you don’t like it.

Your behavior is slightly more civilized than DU or Salon but the same in principle.

Muddle the meanings of words and massacre the messenger.

Make truth optional.


57 posted on 09/23/2010 7:18:12 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
I never used the term "terrorism".

And I have yet to see you add anything meaningful to a thread. Just insults. You come on a thread, stomp everyone and pretend that you've taken the high road. You have not.

You may now have the last word as your kind always does.

58 posted on 09/23/2010 7:24:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Abortion is violence in it's worst form.Coercion by violence is a perfectly proper definition for application to the practice of abortion.The unborn are not the only victims.Somewhere in her asbestos suit Margaret Sanger is proud of your defense.
59 posted on 09/23/2010 7:29:48 PM PDT by Apercu ("Mongo only pawn.......in game of life")
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thank you for the last word.

My kind, as you put it, often encourage others, like you, to forsake ignorance and seek knowledge.

I even posted a definition of terrorism for those of you who didn’t care enough about the truth to look it up yourself. I posted it so that you and your kind could actually use words as they are defined and not as you simply “feel” they should be defined.

Doodette, if you cared about anyone being precise and accurate then you would be working with me and not against me or mocking me.

What did you bring to this thread? Hmmmm....??

That was a rhetorical question. Your kind do not have the meekness or humility to accept correction, do not have the courage to change positions in the light of better knowledge in order to align yourself with a more truthful position. Yeah, your kind is common and prevalent in the MSM.


60 posted on 09/23/2010 7:32:51 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Apercu

Nice try but it doesn’t work.

Care to pervert the English language any more?


61 posted on 09/23/2010 7:34:05 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
You are such a liar! Wow. Open, bald faced liar. And those are probably your best qualities. So caught up in your demagoguery that you have totally lost tough with reality.

I appreciate your reply, it confirms my opinion of you.

62 posted on 09/23/2010 7:35:11 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Apercu
Coercion by violence is a perfectly proper definition for application to the practice of abortion.

Who is the object of coercion and what is the political ideal?

Unborn aren't coerced and they don't vote.

As tragic as abortion is, it isn't terrorism as commonly practiced.

63 posted on 09/23/2010 7:36:47 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Jean S; Eagle Eye

He’s simply a disruptor that trolls looking for a fight. It’s what he does on these threads.


64 posted on 09/23/2010 7:37:13 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Jean S

I’m sure that roach I squished the other day didn’t think that much of me either.

As far as I can see, you’d prefer to wallow in error and insult me than change your mind and enjoy the truth.

It must really be sad to be in your skin and all I can do is pity you.


65 posted on 09/23/2010 7:38:57 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

He’s not worth replying to if he has to resort to personal attacks to defend his position on abortion.


66 posted on 09/23/2010 7:39:23 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

And that post to you was a nasty personal attack. And uncalled for.


67 posted on 09/23/2010 7:42:43 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Jean S
You are both hypocrites. You can say extremely nasty things about me and feel good about yourselves but hate your reflections in the mirrors I put in front of your faces.

And I don't blame you for hating your own reflections!

68 posted on 09/23/2010 7:46:14 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t think he’s used to being called out on his comments, class of ‘98. We all 98ers think we’re invincible. We’re not.


69 posted on 09/23/2010 7:48:05 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Eagle Eye

Oh come on, now you’re just sounding silly.


70 posted on 09/23/2010 7:49:24 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: DJ MacWoW

Troll = someone who understands his position better than you understand yours?


71 posted on 09/23/2010 7:50:30 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Try the mothers, fathers and who says it is a strictly political definition?In fact it IS also a political & moral issue of the highest magnitude - every day to those who experience it and each election cycle to those who debate it.Coercion is the use of force, psychological and/or physical to gain compliance.The unborn, the parents & families are all subject to some degree of coercion with the unborn child bearing the brunt.You can play all the semantics cards you want - abortion is a form of terrorism against those who can't defend themselves.
72 posted on 09/23/2010 7:54:55 PM PDT by Apercu ("Mongo only pawn.......in game of life")
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To: Jean S

When I first signed up there were a lot of “Class of 98” posters who were helpful and informative. I learned a lot from them. And then there were the “others”. ;-)


73 posted on 09/23/2010 8:01:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Apercu

Definitions are not semantics. Re read your twisting of terms to suit your purposes to see semantic gymnastics in action.

Terrorism example - a bomb or bombings designed to make the government look impotent and to coerce or intimidate the population to bend to the will of the perpetrators.

Abortion - normally a voluntary act by a woman who wishes to end her pregnancy by killing the fetus. Frequently done in secret.

There are many terrible and terrifying acts perpetrated on people that are not correctly termed terrorism.

Either words mean something or they don’t.


74 posted on 09/23/2010 8:04:52 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Jean S

Said the hypocrite.


75 posted on 09/23/2010 8:06:41 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Alamo-Girl
“Class of 98” posters who were helpful and informative

Alamo-Girl was a huge help to me when I first signed up. She hadn't been at FR that long but she knew everything about the site and gave me advice on what should or should not be posted on FR.

Check it out, she's still listed on FR's homepage!

76 posted on 09/23/2010 8:07:37 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Eagle Eye

It is relevant. There are many similarities between what happened at Auschwitz and what happens in abortion clinics today.

The only difference is that one happened in Germany, and the other is happening all over the world.

The question, btw isn’t trying to ‘trap’ you or whatever nonsense, but to make this point 100 percent clear. I actually expected you to answer no, but clearly you fear the question, which is why you’ve not answered it.

So be it.


77 posted on 09/23/2010 8:13:15 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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To: BenKenobi

Yeah, tens of thousands are marched into US abortion clinics and treated the same way Auschwitz internees were.

Yeah, that pretty much disgraces everyone that went to any of those NAZI extermination camps by comparing them to women who voluntarily kill their unborn babies.

Epic Fail.


78 posted on 09/23/2010 8:17:37 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Jean S; summer
Yep. She's one of the Freepers that I respect too.

I was very timid at first and Summer told me to just jump in and post. She was very kind. I'd been getting bashed around on other boards for being conservative. That tends to make one button their lip. The older signups taught me how to debate and backup what I said with links.

79 posted on 09/23/2010 8:21:14 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Now you are trying to find flysh!t in the pepper. Definitions & semantics are not mutually exclusive - they both encompass meanings of words and use of language.I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
80 posted on 09/23/2010 8:28:16 PM PDT by Apercu ("Mongo only pawn.......in game of life")
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To: DJ MacWoW; Alamo-Girl; logos

Alamo-Girl is one of my favorites, logos is too but is also a good friend.
Funny story that logos told me, I didn’t remember the thread but logos does. The thread was titled something like “Who is your favorite Freeper?” Alamo-Girl came in first, logos came in second. He still remembers that.


81 posted on 09/23/2010 8:29:57 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Thank you oh so very much, dear Jean S!


82 posted on 09/23/2010 8:38:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jean S
The thread was titled something like “Who is your favorite Freeper?”

I've only posted on one of those threads. I was always afraid I would forget someone or my list would get too long. lol

83 posted on 09/23/2010 8:40:57 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Jean S

I remember that thread. The results surprised me because I mostly did support work and there are so many brilliant correspondents on Free Republic who deserved recognition.


84 posted on 09/23/2010 8:42:38 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; Lazamataz
Pretty cool though. I wonder what the results would be if someone posted a similar thread today.

Laz would probably win :-)

85 posted on 09/23/2010 8:46:39 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Eagle Eye

“Yeah, tens of thousands are marched into US abortion clinics and treated the same way Auschwitz internees were”

Tens of thousands?

Try millions. 1 million a year in America.

What do you think happens to the children? Do you think they get a choice? Or do they not count as people?


86 posted on 09/23/2010 8:47:01 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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To: BenKenobi; Eagle Eye; Jean S; Apercu; DJ MacWoW; afraidfortherepublic; EternalVigilance; MHGinTN; ..
What do you think happens to the children? Do you think they get a choice? Or do they not count as people?

I think you just asked the pivotal question.

As a libertarian one doubts that Eagle Eye views any one of these infants as people, inspite of their abilities to react to and to attempt to flee the device designed to rip them limb from limb. As anyone who has ever viewed the film "silent Scream" knows, the infant senses the imminent harm and attempts to flee the D&C.

Daniel Pearl gets his head cut off and we say the people who did it are terrorists who practice terrorism.

PP sticks forceps into an infant's head and sucks his brains out, but because Eagle Eye, the "libertarian" Eagle Eye, that is, doesn't consider the infant a person, because of supposed terms of legal art and finesse it doesn't count as terrorism.

Eagle Eye's definition of "terrorism" is conveniently too narrow.

The Princeton dictionary (wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn) defines terrorism as: "•the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature"

The ideology which calculates the violence is just another legal euphemism called "Freedom of Choice."


88 posted on 09/23/2010 9:58:45 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: Agamemnon; Eagle Eye

Abortion is the profitable, legal killing of human life.


89 posted on 09/23/2010 10:01:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Eagle Eye; BenKenobi

Yes, I’ve been reading the thread and it really strikes me the same as it did BenKenobi. I understand and respect your commitment to precise definitions, but consider the mapping of roles here. The equivalence is not between the victims of Auschwitz and the mothers who enter abortion clinics, but between the victims of Auschwitz and the unborn victims of the abortion doctors. They are indeed “marched into” the abortion clinics as completely helpless victims, not by SS in gleaming helmets, but by a motley crew of actors who are the moral inferiors of the SS, i.e., the I-don’t-want-to-be-a-daddy-so-kill-the-baby boyfriends, the its-a-subhuman-so-I-can-kill-it mothers, the self-appointed women-must-be-free-to-choose-so-kill-the-baby escorts, the I-can’t-take-care-of-you-both-so-kill-the-baby parents, and on and on. Death at Auschwitz was arguably more dignified. At least there was a real war, driven by competing visions of some grand utopia. But modern abortionists kill for mere money, and the supporting cast kills for mere inconvenience.

As to a proper definition of terrorism, you are betting the farm on a technical difference while overlooking an essential similarity. From the perspective of the victim, there is no meaningful difference between death by a politically motivated terrorist act and death by murder in the womb. As shown in the film “Silent Scream,” and as supported by a larger body of modern research, a child living comfortably in mommy’s womb experiences pain, terror, and death in a place that had been safe for them.

As for the element of coercion, I will grant you your technical difference, in that the typical coercive objective of a bombing or a YouTube beheading is to use fear to condition the survivors for some political effect. However, even in that difference there is still a strong and legitimate thread of similarity, in that we who are the survivors of abortion are indeed being conditioned by observation to devalue life, which effect is essential to the Nietzschean political paradigm that might makes right, the vile core of leftist ideology.

And it is fair to say that those among us with a more tender conscience may well experience a coercive fear as a byproduct of this conditioning, depending on our individual vulnerability. It is reasonable to fear a government that can declare by fiat that a particular group of humans is subhuman and therefore expendable without due process. Is that not the lodestar of the keepers of Auschwitz? And is that not perhaps the real reason all these good folk contending with you are so incensed with your position? To any sensitive, intuitive mind, the essential similarity totally eclipses the technical difference between murder by terrorism and murder by abortion, and it would help the conversation to recognize the genuine difficulty in making that separation without falling into the trap of unnecessarily personal critiquery.


90 posted on 09/23/2010 10:31:58 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Agamemnon
The ideology which calculates the violence is just another legal euphemism called "Freedom of Choice."

Indeed. Thank you for your essay-post, dear Agamemnon!
91 posted on 09/24/2010 8:37:33 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Eagle Eye

How much of the unborn infant’s alive body do you think the mother made in her womb? How much pain and misery is too much to be tolerable for your calculus? What value has the human soul to your calculus? Do you even believe these alive unborn children are yet fellow human beings? ... I suspect you enjoy being disgusting on a conservative forum.


92 posted on 09/24/2010 9:11:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
I must say, it looks as though Eagle Bully has gotten his wings clipped.

Libertarians are merely users of conservatism, not believers in conservatism.

FReegards!


93 posted on 09/24/2010 7:18:11 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: topher
Pinged from Terri Dailies


94 posted on 09/26/2010 10:59:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: topher

While I’ve always supported the Tea Party, this makes me want to travel the 50 miles their demonstrations are from me, to join them.


95 posted on 09/26/2010 7:21:52 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wagglebee

Over 50 million innocent unborn babies, killed by abortion since Roe.


96 posted on 09/26/2010 7:25:29 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: topher
Pinged from Terri Dailies


97 posted on 10/03/2010 11:28:09 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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